Debate Night #1 - Trumpvs. Biden - Cleveland Ohio 09-29-20

[The Scott]

You carry a fire arm Scott? Some punk tries to drag you from your car you can legally light him up I believe? One of the joys of America, your access to guns and sensible rights to protect yourself if under attack.

Oh no, I do not.  I am the only adult male in my family that does not shoot nor carry.  I am not very good at it and so I choose not to even try.  My brothers get a chuckle out of it. 

My older brother let me try a rifle at a range and I was just okay with it but as he pointed out, I would probably reach for the rifle and wind up pointing one of my crutches at the bad guys! 

[Coach is Back!]

Poor Coach falling for fake news on social media

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/29/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-debate-poll/index.html


Biden 60%    Trump 28%      Both did equally well 5%         Neither 6%        No opinion   1%



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-poll-first-presidential-debate-2020-09-29/

You just put up. Link from CNN and you’re talking about fake news...lol. Did you actually think most of the media wasn’t going to give it to Biden? Plus add in Matthews was covering Biden’s ass

[ThisisOverload]

Like many have stated, Trump would have completely owned this debate if he was calm and just let Biden talk himself into a corner.  I think the content of what Trump said was much better than Biden, but the way he acts makes it hard to watch.  If he can calm down and just focus on the debate and not coming off as such an asshole, i think it's easy win for Trump.

[Walter Sobchak]

In the primaries 24 Democrat candidates, including Hairplugs Biden raised their hands and said they were for open borders and free healthcare for illegals.

Not one mention of that last night.

And that is Trump’s fault, not the moderator’s.

[oldgolds]

Trump was clear winner...Joe was shaky and weak all night , stuttering and stammering and looking like a shell of a Man...Clearly not presidential  material.

[Coach is Back!]

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About as neutral as you can get

[LurkerNoMore]

I don't think either one of them won the debate.  Trump certainly didn't like his bully attempt not having any effect which is why he couldn't stop interrupting and fidgeting non stop.  Biden simply deflected on things that he could have offered some kind of stronger reply to. 

Biggest loser was the moderator though. 

[oldgolds]

  Trump and Military Service: A 100 Year Family History (June 6, 2016)
Frederick Trump (1869-1918) m. 1902; Age (1898) 29
Fred Trump (1905-1999) m. 1936 c 1937, 1938; Age (1940) 35
Donald Trump (6/14/1046-present) m. 1977; Age (1964) 18
Military Service: Frederick (None), Fred (None), Donald (None)
We have just celebrated Memorial Day for 2016, so military service to our country is freshly relevant.* In honoring America’s war dead on Memorial Day, we also honor the service of recent veterans and our family members who served to ensure freedom and liberty for all of us. Sort of a family investment in America. Trump has continued to make support for veteran’s a prime topic in the political debate.

Grandfather Frederick, though an immigrant from Germany, was an American citizen in 1898. There was no draft imposed for the Spanish American War, but we have some guidance from the Civil War draft and World War I draft standards to judge his eligibility for service, if not a strict obligation. In 1898 he was 29 years old, single, unmarried, with no dependents, not engaged in any critical war related occupation, and with no religious objections. Thus, he was a prime candidate for service, or induction had there been a draft.

In the spring of 1898 he moved to Canada (until 1901), when he returned briefly to Germany and married in 1902, and then returned to NY. When he attempted to return to Germany on a permanent basis again in 1904, he was expelled from the country because of an official finding that he had evaded his military service obligation (active to age 35) when he originally left the country in 1885. He did not serve in the military in either country. He had no legal military service obligation in the US, but was found to be in violation of his mandatory German 3-year military service duty.

Father Fred was born in 1905. At the time of World War II and the imposition of a draft in 1940, at age 35 he was married and had 2 small children. He was subject to the draft. He was not engaged in any occupation subject to service exemption, such as war related production, public health and safety jobs, or agricultural employment. In truth, even with the expansive induction criteria in 1942, he still would have been lower on the priority list of men to be drafted because of his marriage and 3 dependent children. By 1943 he would have aged out of the high risk draft pool. He was subject to the draft in World War II, but was never called to serve.

In 1964 Donald turned 18 and had to register. He was unmarried, with no dependents, and not engaged in any employment which carried occupational exemptions (war related work, health and safety occupations, farm work). He was prime draft material during the years from 1964-1972. He had typical college student deferments from 1964-1968, but they expired on graduation. He was then classified as 1-A, then 1-Y, and finally 4-F. His high lottery number (.350) was for 1970. So, from June1968 until January 1970 (18 months) he was at high risk to be drafted. He obtained a medical deferment (1-Y) for a minor condition (except in wartime), which was later converted to a permanently disqualifying illness in 1971.

There is another special feature in Donald’s draft history. He graduated high school from the New York Military Academy in 1964, and while a cadet there was an officer in an official established junior R.O.T.C. command. As such, he would have received special considerations had he volunteered for military service (choice of military specialty, officer training school). He declined to take advantage.

For three generations, Trump’s paternal line has not offered or performed any military service for America, voluntary or through the draft. His father and grandfather played by the rules in America, but Donald bent them to advantage.

The Trump men were all eligible for military service to America. Millions of their fellow Americans volunteered or were drafted into service for their country during wartime. The Trumps all chose not to contribute in the most personal way one can to defend America’s freedom of speech, and to preserve the bounties of our economic and political system. They didn’t think the discounted value of their American citizenship, and the bounties our country provides, were worth enough to merit Trump military service.

What they did is not illegal, but it is not admirable or generous. Not even once in 100 years (1885-1980). Through five major military conflicts: Spanish American, World War I, World War II, the Korean War, and Viet Nam (which were contested for 30 years of that time period).

Why does this family history (or, rather lack thereof) matter? Because it means that Trump has no personal experience to learn from and appreciate military sacrifice, and no authentic family history stories to share with the tens of millions of family members of proud Veterans, living and dead who served their country honorably in times of war during the past century.                                                                                         biden should have brought up the trump family's lack of military service.

The lack of a military  background in his family means nothing. The most important thing is that he strongly supports our military  and has beefed it up far behond the level that Obama did. Clinton and Obama had no military background and probably despised our soldiers as so many liberals do.

[avxo]

When a candidate enters a debate and flatly refuses to answer questions (as in verbally refuses), that should be a massive disqualification. Biden was given many passes which is insane. He cannot be trusted.

Your bias is showing: both Biden and Trump refused to answer questions, but you're focusing only on one candidate. Why?

It seems utterly backwards to me that because a candidate was expected to be incompetent, proved.to be incompetent that somehow he wins........  fuck me do you give last place podium prizes?

I didn't say Biden won. I said Biden exceeded the expectations that the Trump campaign conditioned people and that was a success for Biden. The reality is that both Trump and Biden lost and, really, America lost.

[Primemuscle]

BIDEN was HIDEN’ something up his sleeve too


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[avxo]

Biden [...] looked very pale, not sharp mentally

Biden looked like he has aged 10 years in 6 months.  He spoke very slowly, had no energy, had a weak tired look in his face, no more threats to fist fight Trump, no more push up challenges.

Spot on. Say whatever else you want about Trump, he doesn't look like he's 74. You could have told people he's 10 years younger and it wouldn't be out of the question. Biden, on the other hand, yikes. You could have told people he's 10 years older than he is and I don't think anyone would say "nah, that's not possible."

[avxo]

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About as neutral as you can get

A Twitter poll? LOL.

[Coach is Back!]

Wallace interrupted Trump 76 times to Biden’s 15

[Primemuscle]

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About as neutral as you can get

Whatever makes you happy. 

I don't put much stock in a Twitter poll. How'd you vote? Bet my vote cancelled yours.

[Coach is Back!]

A Twitter poll? LOL.

Even Telemundo (Leftist) had the debate 66% Trump 34% Biden

[Coach is Back!]

A Twitter poll? LOL.

145,750 votes. If it was going to be skewed in Biden’s favor, it would have happened on Dorseys watch. Probably a better indicator than phone polling

[Coach is Back!]

Whatever makes you happy. 

I don't put much stock in a Twitter poll. How'd you vote? Bet my vote cancelled yours.

CSPAN and again, 145,750 voted

[Primemuscle]

Trump for a narrow win.  Biden came across as weak, looked very pale, not sharp mentally, failed to back law & order, lacked substance on issues, came off as ignorant on issues, was very negative about country, a weak beta male. Trump was himself, pulled no punches, landed more punches, typical alpha male Trump.  Strong alpha vs. weak beta.

Trump wears theater make up. Biden doesn't.

[Flexacon]

You just put up. Link from CNN and you’re talking about fake news...lol. Did you actually think most of the media wasn’t going to give it to Biden? Plus add in Matthews was covering Biden’s ass

I posted the correct CNN link and poll because some moron completely failed at it.

VERDICT: President Trump WINS ‼️

CSPAN: ✅ Trump (53% Trump; 29% Biden)

Telemundo: ✅ Trump (66% Trump; 34% Biden)

CNN: ✅ Trump (3 votes Trump; 1 vote Biden of decided voters) https://api.parler.com/l/6kQse https://api.parler.com/l/EDMq4

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[Flexacon]

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About as neutral as you can get

A Twitter poll? LOL.

The irony is that Cspan also had Hilary beating Trump in the debates 4 years ago

[Primemuscle]

Even Telemundo (Leftist) had the debate 66% Trump 34% Biden

66 Percent of Spanish-Speaking Americans in Telemundo Twitter Poll Think Trump Just Won the Debate
BY JEFFERY MARTIN ON 9/30/20 AT 1:29 AM EDT

[Body-Buildah]

66 Percent of Spanish-Speaking Americans in Telemundo Twitter Poll Think Trump Just Won the Debate
BY JEFFERY MARTIN ON 9/30/20 AT 1:29 AM EDT

Debates probably mean nada these days Im thinking...

[Royalty]

BIDEN’S WIRES

https://twitter.com/realjameswoods/status/1311337996667346944?s=10

[Coach is Back!]

I posted the correct CNN link and poll because some moron completely failed at it.
[/b]

What’s the problem? The numbers are basically the same. I won’t take a CNN or even Fox poll seriously because both skew their sampling and demographics. I posted the CSPAN poll because they are for the most part neutral, I posted the Telemundo poll because it’s a left leaning outlet much like CNN or MSNBC. They’re polling results surprised me. How that will resonate with the Hispanic (legal) demographic remains to be seen

[Primemuscle]

I posted the correct CNN link and poll because some moron completely failed at it.
[/b]

Apparently a lot of folks who were polled last night agree with you.

Post-debate CNN poll: Six in 10 say Biden won the debate

By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director

Updated 12:47 AM ET, Wed September 30, 2020