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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1000 on: November 25, 2024, 11:28:38 PM »
More this...This isn't exactly but definitely the general idea. This is based on the Bible. This is it. Not that fucking nonsense NASA brainwashed you with. CGI, Greenacres, harnesses, hair spray and fish eye lenses. They're full of shit.

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1001 on: November 26, 2024, 04:33:32 AM »
I've kind of kept out of this thread, as I get my UFO fix from people and places dedicated to that, such as ATS forums. But couldn't resist... Leonard Stringfield was writing about the Legacy program back in the 70s. He knew that Richard Helms was known as The Falcon and The Aviary were the guys assigned for life to deal with those issues. Bush Sr was another leader, after.

Sounds ridiculous, but Lazar was right about what he was told, probably in the bar he used to visit where actual physicists would chat to him because he had a brain even though he was only a Kirk Meyer employee and dealt with radiation checks rather than the craft. He worked there nevertheless  and they probably gossiped within earshot of his presence due to trusting him to be quiet.

I don't know about you, but demons/angels/beasts don't leave metallic craft pieces around.

I've had an obsession with this topic since childhood and have followed up on it. For instance, Aurora was named by the founder of EG&G, Doc Edgerton, due to his family ties to Aurora, Nebraska. It wasn't named by a Colonel in the Pentagon randomly as part of a B2 funding. Lockheed deals with the design. EG&G dealt with a lot of the engineering. Even though the Aurora came out in the 80s, the material engineering side is 60s back tech.

A top Lockheed exec one said that we had the tech to send ET back home.

Richard Helms was the main guy behind it. Bush Sr was probably the last President that had access to it.

Immaculate Constellation is what Admiral Wilson wasn't allowed to get access to when he tried in 96/97. Even the No. 2 intelligence guy was basically told to go away and not ask any more questions unless he wanted his career ruined.

Anyone that has interest in this check out the Thomas Wilson memo. Chris Sharp did a good piece about Lockheed agreeing to transfer some tech to Bigelow and the CIA guy at the time denying it even though Bigelow spent millions on warehouse security etc for housing the stuff as the first check was refused by the inspector. These big aerospace contractors know about this stuff.

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1002 on: November 26, 2024, 08:28:12 AM »
I've kind of kept out of this thread, as I get my UFO fix from people and places dedicated to that, such as ATS forums. But couldn't resist... Leonard Stringfield was writing about the Legacy program back in the 70s. He knew that Richard Helms was known as The Falcon and The Aviary were the guys assigned for life to deal with those issues. Bush Sr was another leader, after.

Sounds ridiculous, but Lazar was right about what he was told, probably in the bar he used to visit where actual physicists would chat to him because he had a brain even though he was only a Kirk Meyer employee and dealt with radiation checks rather than the craft. He worked there nevertheless  and they probably gossiped within earshot of his presence due to trusting him to be quiet.

I don't know about you, but demons/angels/beasts don't leave metallic craft pieces around.

I've had an obsession with this topic since childhood and have followed up on it. For instance, Aurora was named by the founder of EG&G, Doc Edgerton, due to his family ties to Aurora, Nebraska. It wasn't named by a Colonel in the Pentagon randomly as part of a B2 funding. Lockheed deals with the design. EG&G dealt with a lot of the engineering. Even though the Aurora came out in the 80s, the material engineering side is 60s back tech.

A top Lockheed exec one said that we had the tech to send ET back home.

Richard Helms was the main guy behind it. Bush Sr was probably the last President that had access to it.

Immaculate Constellation is what Admiral Wilson wasn't allowed to get access to when he tried in 96/97. Even the No. 2 intelligence guy was basically told to go away and not ask any more questions unless he wanted his career ruined.

Anyone that has interest in this check out the Thomas Wilson memo. Chris Sharp did a good piece about Lockheed agreeing to transfer some tech to Bigelow and the CIA guy at the time denying it even though Bigelow spent millions on warehouse security etc for housing the stuff as the first check was refused by the inspector. These big aerospace contractors know about this stuff.


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If I understood correctly Immaculate Constellation wasn't a retrieval or reverse engineering program, but a collection of HQ photo, video and radar / FLIR data.

Demons, angels and beasts might refer to ancient times when it was difficult for people to interpret things they could not understand. Times when religious fundamentalism had more influence than in 2024.

I think witness Dave Grusch has stated off camera that Dick Cheney was one of the people overseeing hidden unacknowledged SAPs, or maybe all UAP related programs

The Lockheed guy was Ben Rich. I think he meant that they have the technology in their possession. Which is very different from being able to reverse engineer it
To copy a UAP they have to understand and replicate the energy plant and possibly the fuel.
And the entire construction, very thin materials bonded at the atomic level
Then they would have to figure out the mind - machine interface that apparently controls the UAP

Not to mention the weapon systems. In all, quite a lot and a herculean technological challenge. Especially considering the secrecy and extreme compartmentalization.
Without functioning weapons a otherwise working UAP will be handy as an extremely expensive spyplane, or an impressive demonstrator at airshows.

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1003 on: November 27, 2024, 01:12:19 AM »
I've been reading The Walton Experience and it's very interesting. Probably the most believable alien abduction story.

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1004 on: November 27, 2024, 09:55:58 PM »
From 3:00 'biologics were recovered', 'bodies in possession', 'was discussed quite a bit when I was at the Pentagon'.


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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1005 on: November 27, 2024, 10:28:20 PM »
Couple of years ago I saw a few body language analysis videos of Lazar's interviews. Some said oh my God, he really believes what he's saying and others said he was showing very obvious signs of deception, he was lying so bad it was comical. Personally I'd first like to know if the proponents are sincere, then I might start to look at it but there are so many trickers. But conspiracy theories (or facts) are fun.

A while back I caught a bit of an interview with some very serious appearing top physicist who was asked about some American who claimed he had some type of non-earthly ball of some type of metal that behaved oddly, moving when approached and such. The physicist said he wouldn't dare to even examine it in a lab for fear it might end the world. Dalnet probably knows about this, but there doesn't seem to be any undebatable hard evidence for anything extraterrestrial (or maybe there is but I don't know about it). I mentioned in the thread when Rogan euphorically announced "they" had now admitted to there being something extraterrestrial but I couldn't make out what the proof was. ???

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1006 on: November 28, 2024, 12:10:33 AM »
^^^ Lazar was right about Area 51 and Moscovium (element 115).

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1007 on: November 28, 2024, 01:26:31 AM »
Why should I? Even if there is what are the chances that the life would be advanced enough to traverse the universe? Why would they want to come here and then hide once they get here?


They (whoever they are, or maybe it's their AI controlled tech that is here) in general seem to ignore humanity. They go about their business, and avoid us most of the time.
It seems they are here for genetics, human and animal, and perhaps commodities that they can't get or easily find in a huge area around earth.
Genetics as in human abductions. Taking human sperm, female ovarian eggs without permission. Thousands of people all around the planet over many decades have reported such medical procedures.

Animal genetics: the cattle mutilations (taking blood and removing certain bovine / deer bodyparts with extreme precision) have been going on for centuries.

Commodities: maybe certain metals, salt and fresh water in abundance on earth?

Why they are hiding: humans are nosy and greedy by nature. Imagine a remote place on earth with still some dinosaurs living there. Perfectly fine, untill humans find out. Massive numbers of people will go to that remote spot for financial gain (influencers), or for the thrill, or scientific study.

What if UAPs would give away their base locations? God knows how people, boats, planes, drones, media and military / CIA / police / Coast Guard would show up. Would become a total and dangerous mess.

We don't know how many years they are ahead of us. Maybe 500 years, perhaps 30,000 years. Or even 7 million years, which would be almost unimaginable to humans.
Imagine if we do not destroy ourselves, how far humanity will evolve in the next 1,000 years. Will we travel through space and try to discover as much as we can if that somehow benefits us? Yes we will. And so will non human civilisations I guess.

Especially if traveling enormous distances is much easier for them, or their technology. Or maybe they have found a shortcut or solution for the time - distance problem

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1008 on: November 28, 2024, 01:45:43 AM »
Couple of years ago I saw a few body language analysis videos of Lazar's interviews. Some said oh my God, he really believes what he's saying and others said he was showing very obvious signs of deception, he was lying so bad it was comical. Personally I'd first like to know if the proponents are sincere, then I might start to look at it but there are so many trickers. But conspiracy theories (or facts) are fun.

A while back I caught a bit of an interview with some very serious appearing top physicist who was asked about some American who claimed he had some type of non-earthly ball of some type of metal that behaved oddly, moving when approached and such. The physicist said he wouldn't dare to even examine it in a lab for fear it might end the world. Dalnet probably knows about this, but there doesn't seem to be any undebatable hard evidence for anything extraterrestrial (or maybe there is but I don't know about it). I mentioned in the thread when Rogan euphorically announced "they" had now admitted to there being something extraterrestrial but I couldn't make out what the proof was. ???

Check his interview with Joe Rogan.

Is sick/hasn't slept and cannot recall details when convenient.

Horseshit.

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1009 on: November 28, 2024, 03:30:42 AM »
Excellent interview by Chris Lehto with investigative journalist Ross Coulthart:



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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1010 on: November 28, 2024, 04:45:39 AM »
Sphere like object or UAP at Manchester Airport. Video apparently shot in June 2024. No idea why the pilot waiting this long to upload it:





"Drones" or UAPs seen over US nuclear plant:


https://x.com/i/trending/1861895238781989173


Perhaps similar to the "drones" that have been flying over three USAF airfields in England. Even after 5 straight nights of "drone" incursions, the USAF still has no clue who operates them, where they originate, what their goal was, and where they disappeared to. It seems the US Air Force has no decent working radar?
If they are from hobbyists or state actors, why not arrest or shoot the criminals involved? Or shoot down such a "drone"? Then you examine the wreckage and know what it is.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14129675/US-Air-Force-bases-alert-British-troops-anti-drone-guns-jammers-hunt-drone-pilot-flying.html



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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1011 on: November 28, 2024, 03:04:53 PM »
Wiggs deserves his tin foil hat for his absurd ideas and claims. He is joined by all manner of devotees all believing utter bullshit about alien visits, etc. Always demand to know what the test of truth is. Too many gullible people displaying brutal ignorance in this thread.

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1012 on: November 28, 2024, 03:55:33 PM »
WHat do you prefer though?


Aliens from other planets/dimensions or Angels/Demons from other planes of existence visiting Earth?
Q

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1013 on: November 28, 2024, 04:20:20 PM »

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https://liberationtimes.com



Nope, just another biased site giving the gullible more dope to believe!

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1014 on: November 28, 2024, 04:22:07 PM »
Check his interview with Joe Rogan.

Is sick/hasn't slept and cannot recall details when convenient.

Horseshit.

Yes, Bob Lazar has low credibility and is a bullshitter extraordinaire! In other words, he is full of shit!

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1015 on: November 28, 2024, 04:29:45 PM »
WHat do you prefer though?


Aliens from other planets/dimensions or Angels/Demons from other planes of existence visiting Earth?

Neither! In this huge Universe of trillions of galaxies and untold number of planets the likelihood for life is highly probably. Intelligent life and technology are probably but so far no supporting evidence. People clearly believe all sorts of things. Believing something, no matter how strongly, is not grounds for claiming what you believe is true. The evidence for bullshit are all the UFO sites online that capture the gullible and ignorant. Sure there are UAP but so far there is no compelling evidence that any such UAP is an alien craft. When cosmologists and astronomers believe in alien visits that will be the time to consider such beliefs. Until then we have nothing.

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« Reply #1016 on: November 28, 2024, 05:37:45 PM »
Neither! In this huge Universe of trillions of galaxies and untold number of planets the likelihood for life is highly probably. Intelligent life and technology are probably but so far no supporting evidence. People clearly believe all sorts of things. Believing something, no matter how strongly, is not grounds for claiming what you believe is true. The evidence for bullshit are all the UFO sites online that capture the gullible and ignorant. Sure there are UAP but so far there is no compelling evidence that any such UAP is an alien craft. When cosmologists and astronomers believe in alien visits that will be the time to consider such beliefs. Until then we have nothing.

Some say the bicep supination machine is proof of alien technology. But I’ll take your advice and wait for my cosmetologist to confirm .

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« Reply #1017 on: November 28, 2024, 05:43:17 PM »
Some say the bicep supination machine is proof of alien technology. But I’ll take your advice and wait for my cosmetologist to confirm .

Cosmetologist, LOL.

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1018 on: November 28, 2024, 06:15:06 PM »
WHERE ARE THE BODIES?!?
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« Reply #1019 on: November 28, 2024, 08:43:59 PM »
Neither! In this huge Universe of trillions of galaxies and untold number of planets the likelihood for life is highly probably. Intelligent life and technology are probably but so far no supporting evidence. People clearly believe all sorts of things. Believing something, no matter how strongly, is not grounds for claiming what you believe is true. The evidence for bullshit are all the UFO sites online that capture the gullible and ignorant. Sure there are UAP but so far there is no compelling evidence that any such UAP is an alien craft. When cosmologists and astronomers believe in alien visits that will be the time to consider such beliefs. Until then we have nothing.
Aren't you like 90 years old?

WHERE ARE THE BODIES?!?
Have you checked bhanks basement?
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1020 on: November 28, 2024, 11:19:25 PM »
Wiggs deserves his tin foil hat for his absurd ideas and claims. He is joined by all manner of devotees all believing utter bullshit about alien visits, etc. Always demand to know what the test of truth is. Too many gullible people displaying brutal ignorance in this thread.
You're entitled to your opinions but don't belittle others just because you think differently.
Going by the so called Drake's equation we cannot be alone. I don't think we can be so arrogant to think we're the be all & end all of life ..

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« Reply #1021 on: November 28, 2024, 11:43:51 PM »
Interesting..we've not been around for long so could other civilizations have been & gone or are they still out there..

https://science.nasa.gov/universe/exoplanets/are-we-alone-in-the-universe-revisiting-the-drake-equation/

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« Reply #1022 on: November 29, 2024, 12:38:51 AM »
You're entitled to your opinions but don't belittle others just because you think differently.
Going by the so called Drake's equation we cannot be alone. I don't think we can be so arrogant to think we're the be all & end all of life ..


We have a duty to reject utter nonsense from Truthers and other misguided people such as Wiggs. Drake’s hypothesis has been changed many times because we don’t know how rare technology is. SETI hasn’t found anything yet. My guess is we might be the only technological civilisation in our Galaxy. If there were civilisations in the Andromeda Galaxy and we received a message it would take 4.5 million years to receive a reply. Distant galaxies are too remote and far away to ever get there. Likewise they aren’t coming here, either.

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« Reply #1023 on: November 29, 2024, 01:58:39 AM »
Couple of years ago I saw a few body language analysis videos of Lazar's interviews. Some said oh my God, he really believes what he's saying and others said he was showing very obvious signs of deception, he was lying so bad it was comical. Personally I'd first like to know if the proponents are sincere, then I might start to look at it but there are so many trickers. But conspiracy theories (or facts) are fun.

A while back I caught a bit of an interview with some very serious appearing top physicist who was asked about some American who claimed he had some type of non-earthly ball of some type of metal that behaved oddly, moving when approached and such. The physicist said he wouldn't dare to even examine it in a lab for fear it might end the world. Dalnet probably knows about this, but there doesn't seem to be any undebatable hard evidence for anything extraterrestrial (or maybe there is but I don't know about it). I mentioned in the thread when Rogan euphorically announced "they" had now admitted to there being something extraterrestrial but I couldn't make out what the proof was. ???

From p. 27 I tried to lay out a commonsense basis for rejecting the obfuscatory nonsense these frauds are serving the public, but ultimately, a lot of people are just bored, and like to indulge in fantasy. Give any old idiot or liar a platform on podcasts like Rogan's, and this stuff just grows legs. The question of potential other life in the universe is interesting, but it's not really relevant to unpacking the horseshit these fat Yanks are peddling to the gullible. We don't need to fill in the gaps of their vague and evasive statements with things like demons and super-smart aliens spying on some Air Force twat in his F-16.

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Re: More Pentagon UFO information
« Reply #1024 on: November 29, 2024, 02:26:27 AM »

We have a duty to reject utter nonsense from Truthers and other misguided people such as Wiggs. Drake’s hypothesis has been changed many times because we don’t know how rare technology is. SETI hasn’t found anything yet. My guess is we might be the only technological civilisation in our Galaxy. If there were civilisations in the Andromeda Galaxy and we received a message it would take 4.5 million years to receive a reply. Distant galaxies are too remote and far away to ever get there. Likewise they aren’t coming here, either.

Vince, would you have sex with an Alien ?