Covid 19 Vaccines - Should you received it or be forced to?

[Matt]

Well, she's not risking much by getting the vaccine. At 90 years old, her projected remaining lifetime is not that long. The second person who got the vaccine is in his 80's. People this old have a worse survival rate should they get sick with Covid-19. At 76 years of age, I am following this situation closely.

You will live to over 90.

[Van_Bilderass]

The Doctor is referring to sterilising immunity, Sterilizing immunity means that the immune system is able to stop the  viruses, from replicating within your body.

It has NOTHING to do with reproductive sterilisation. He should have used simpler language as I can see how it feeds to CT nuts and anyone else just wanting to be a dickhead on the internet.

Well, if you're a doc I might have to take your word for it, since I don't know either way. You'd think he wouldn't have misspoken on a topic like this and did use the correct terminology. Though it's possible even the interviewer was taken aback due to his reaction.

[G_Thang]

FockBoi Vaccine!  How about 18 months of trails to sort out these FockBoi outcomes?

LONDON (AP) — U.K. regulators said Wednesday that people who have a “significant history’’ of allergic reactions shouldn’t receive the new Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine while they investigate two adverse reactions that occurred on the first day of the country’s mass vaccination program.

[the_doc]

Well, if you're a doc I might have to take your word for it, since I don't know either way. You'd think he wouldn't have misspoken on a topic like this and did use the correct terminology. Though it's possible even the interviewer was taken aback due to his reaction.

Agree he should have used clearer language, not sure if that’s why interviewer was taken aback as he seemed to have interrupted early because he thought the Doctor had finished his answer. Either way there is no hidden agenda to poison wombs or grow extra limbs!

[Walter Sobchak]

If Matt is on the spectrum due to his being vaccinated as a child, perhaps he should get the covid vaccine and hope it reverses it.  The old two negatives make a positive line of thinking.

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[Kwon]

Doctor Spectrum!

[Walter Sobchak]

Doctor Spectrum!

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[Primemuscle]

But, but, what about AstraZeneca and Oxford University's potential Covid-19 vaccine?  Why is the U.K. using America's vax?

Because a little while back Trump wouldn't commit to a certain number of vaccinations. That made them available to sell to other countries.

The Trump administration passed up a chance last summer to buy millions of additional doses of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine, a decision that could delay the delivery of a second batch of doses until the manufacturer fulfills other international contracts.

The revelation, first reported by the New York Times and confirmed to the Associated Press on Monday, came a day before Donald Trump aimed to take credit for the speedy development of forthcoming vaccines at a White House summit.

Pfizer’s vaccine, one of the leading Covid-19 vaccine contenders, is expected to be approved by a panel of Food and Drug Administration scientists as soon as this week, with delivery of 100m doses – enough for 50 million Americans – expected in coming months.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-administration-refused-offer-buy-023725625.html

[Matt]

Agree he should have used clearer language, not sure if that’s why interviewer was taken aback as he seemed to have interrupted early because he thought the Doctor had finished his answer. Either way there is no hidden agenda to poison wombs or grow extra limbs!

Global economic damage due to COVID currently exceeds $10 trillion.

The 2,604 global billionaires have currently increased their total net wealth by over $1 trillion, bringing their total net wealth [ironically] to over $10 trillion combined.

All for a virus that 1,000 Americans under the age of 40 have died from out of a population of over 180,000,000 in that age range.  A virus that kills people who are, on average, 84.8 years old with 2-3 underlying health issues, who are statistically five feet in the grave already, and within the last 6-18 months of their lives anyway.

^ That's the conspiracy.  Not that some rushed vaccine will sterilize all of us.  Although I have no doubt that the vaccine itself will cause problems too...why else would Pfizer insist on liability protection for it?  It's sad to me that ridiculous far-fetched conspiracy theories make people ignore what is happening directly in front of them.

Although if you read any comments online, no one is buying it.  LMAO, check the Like to Dislike ratio here, and read the comments, haha...how long can people stay living in fear?:

[Matt]

Because a little while back Trump wouldn't commit to a certain number of vaccinations. That made them available to sell to other countries.

The Trump administration passed up a chance last summer to buy millions of additional doses of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine, a decision that could delay the delivery of a second batch of doses until the manufacturer fulfills other international contracts.

The revelation, first reported by the New York Times and confirmed to the Associated Press on Monday, came a day before Donald Trump aimed to take credit for the speedy development of forthcoming vaccines at a White House summit.

Pfizer’s vaccine, one of the leading Covid-19 vaccine contenders, is expected to be approved by a panel of Food and Drug Administration scientists as soon as this week, with delivery of 100m doses – enough for 50 million Americans – expected in coming months.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-administration-refused-offer-buy-023725625.html

I guess we'll all have to take our chances with COVID now.  But you're right to deride Trump.  I mean...what, with people dying by the 0.0001's, we can never be too safe.

[Van_Bilderass]

I wonder what Trump supporters think about his stance on the vaccine. I would think most of the anti-vaxxers are on the Trump side, as opposed to the Biden/leftist side.
Trump loves the drugs, he praised the experimental Regeneron. On the other hand, Trump just signed a new anti-doping law the other day. Booo...

[Matt]

I wonder what Trump supporters think about his stance on the vaccine. I would think most of the anti-vaxxers are on the Trump side, as opposed to the Biden/leftist side.
Trump loves the drugs, he praised the experimental Regeneron. On the other hand, Trump just signed a new anti-doping law the other day. Booo...

Is Trump pro-vaccine?  I think the term anti-vaxxer as a pejorative should be withheld for people who don't want to inject themselves with a vaccine that went from first day development to administration within the span of eight months, over a virus  with a 99.999% survival rate in their age demographic.  And even if the survival rate is "only" 99.91%...so what?  I would rather trust my immune system and take my chances with the virus.

Someone said that "the plan" may be to release the more deadly form of the virus after people are vaccinated, killing those who didn't get vaccinated, so that all that is left are sheep.  While that may be conspiracy theory territory, I really don't think resistance to a rushed vaccine is being a conspiracy theorist.

[Moontrane]

Because a little while back Trump wouldn't commit to a certain number of vaccinations. That made them available to sell to other countries.

The Trump administration passed up a chance last summer to buy millions of additional doses of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine, a decision that could delay the delivery of a second batch of doses until the manufacturer fulfills other international contracts.

The revelation, first reported by the New York Times and confirmed to the Associated Press on Monday, came a day before Donald Trump aimed to take credit for the speedy development of forthcoming vaccines at a White House summit.

Pfizer’s vaccine, one of the leading Covid-19 vaccine contenders, is expected to be approved by a panel of Food and Drug Administration scientists as soon as this week, with delivery of 100m doses – enough for 50 million Americans – expected in coming months.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-administration-refused-offer-buy-023725625.html

And that's my point: The rest of the world benefits from our big pharma.

[Walter Sobchak]

I guess we'll all have to take our chances with COVID now.  But you're right to deride Trump.  I mean...what, with people dying by the 0.0001's, we can never be too safe.

Now see Matty Aspy, was that really all that difficult to stay under 3,000 words?

[Humble Narcissist]

Is Trump pro-vaccine?  I think the term anti-vaxxer as a pejorative should be withheld for people who don't want to inject themselves with a vaccine that went from first day development to administration within the span of eight months, over a virus  with a 99.999% survival rate in their age demographic.  And even if the survival rate is "only" 99.91%...so what?  I would rather trust my immune system and take my chances with the virus.

Someone said that "the plan" may be to release the more deadly form of the virus after people are vaccinated, killing those who didn't get vaccinated, so that all that is left are sheep.  While that may be conspiracy theory territory, I really don't think resistance to a rushed vaccine is being a conspiracy theorist.

Interesting, I had not heard that before.

[Flexacon]

FockBoi Vaccine!  How about 18 months of trails to sort out these FockBoi outcomes?

LONDON (AP) — U.K. regulators said Wednesday that people who have a “significant history’’ of allergic reactions shouldn’t receive the new Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine while they investigate two adverse reactions that occurred on the first day of the country’s mass vaccination program.

All vacancies can cause allergic reactions in susceptible people.

But this is proof that they are still "testing" the vaccine on those going in for them now. Why would they think it would be a good idea to vaccinate 2 people who need to carry epi pens.

[Van_Bilderass]

Is Trump pro-vaccine?  I think the term anti-vaxxer as a pejorative should be withheld for people who don't want to inject themselves with a vaccine that went from first day development to administration within the span of eight months, over a virus  with a 99.999% survival rate in their age demographic.  And even if the survival rate is "only" 99.91%...so what?  I would rather trust my immune system and take my chances with the virus.

Someone said that "the plan" may be to release the more deadly form of the virus after people are vaccinated, killing those who didn't get vaccinated, so that all that is left are sheep.  While that may be conspiracy theory territory, I really don't think resistance to a rushed vaccine is being a conspiracy theorist.

Trump looks extremely pro-vaccine to me. He talks about it all the time in glowing terms.

Anti-vaxxer is a pejorative term. I'm not really talking about intelligent people who have reservations about these rushed Covid vaccines, or people who remember what happened with the swine flu vaccine. The anti-vaxxers are people who know nothing but think they know everything. They know this vaccine contains microships, that the purpose is sterlilization, mind control, genocide or whatever. They have zero knowledge of medicine or biology but speak authoritatively on the net. These are the same people who know "natural" is better than "synthetic" when it comes to food, without understanding what those terms even mean.

A lot if these people believe Trump is fighting the deep state. So I wonder how they feel about Trump promoting this Satanic, deep state, globalist microchip vaccine?

[Matt]

If Matt is on the spectrum due to his being vaccinated as a child, perhaps he should get the covid vaccine and hope it reverses it.  The old two negatives make a positive line of thinking.

LOL...the thought had crossed my mind.  I'm reminded of this:

But on a serious note..."This vaccine just seems too rushed." <--- I get that this is conspiracy level thinking.

[AbrahamG]

I guess we'll all have to take our chances with COVID now.  But you're right to deride Trump.  I mean...what, with people dying by the 0.0001's, we can never be too safe.

Mortality rate is 2%.  If you know 100 people who get it, chances are that 2 of them will die.  I've got about 12 family members who've had it.  Unfortunately, I've had to bury one cousin.  On the positive side, you managed to pull off a 3 sentence post.  Good job.  Make sure you're home by 5.  Gotta be home by 5.  Of course, that's when Wopner comes on. 

[Matt]

Now see Matty Aspy, was that really all that difficult to stay under 3,000 words?

I laughed at first when you read then, then became stone cold serious and thought to myself "...yes."

 

I intend on giving it a shot.  I have some ideas...I might just start posting on Getbig from a smartphone, which will reduce my post sizes by at least 50%, since it's harder to type fast on virtual smartphone keypads.

And I'm going to adjust a tiny bit...sometimes I do think large posts are necessary.  Not sure if you read joswift's post in one of the COVID threads which was a "conspiracy theory", but was very long and interesting to read.  Read it if you have 10 minutes.

I do think there is a time and a place for long posts.  It's a refining process to determine when that is, and I think COVID is an important issue that merits long posts [at least, some].

[Matt]

Mortality rate is 2%.  If you know 100 people who get it, chances are that 2 of them will die.  I've got about 12 family members who've had it.  Unfortunately, I've had to bury one cousin.  On the positive side, you managed to pull off a 3 sentence post.  Good job.  Make sure you're home by 5.  Gotta be home by 5.  Of course, that's when Wopner comes on.

Hey - ain't nobody in the world who can count from a 6-deck shoe!

If you don't mind my asking...was your cousin generally healthy, or did he have any underlying issues?

To be clear, I believe COVID is a real virus, and real people are dying from it, and some of those people [6%] are dying directly from it.  And some of that 6% are even young people.  I'm just saying it's nowhere near the big plague originally thought to be.  Hence asking about your cousin's health status.  Don't answer if it's too private, I'm just wondering.

My dad worked with one of the two people in town he died.  He was in his mid-fifties and had cancer [in remission].  The other person was a woman, and was elderly [I believe over 80].

[AbrahamG]

Hey - ain't nobody in the world who can count from a 6-deck shoe!

If you don't mind my asking...was your cousin generally healthy, or did he have any underlying issues?

To be clear, I believe COVID is a real virus, and real people are dying from it, and some of those people [6%] are dying directly from it.  And some of that 6% are even young people.  I'm just saying it's nowhere near the big plague originally thought to be.  Hence asking about your cousin's health status.  Don't answer if it's too private, I'm just wondering.

My dad worked with one of the two people in town he died.  He was in his mid-fifties and had cancer [in remission].  The other person was a woman, and was elderly [I believe over 80].

It's cool.  My cousin was only 52.  Perhaps a couple pounds overweight but not Goodrumesque.  What made it worse was that his mom was still alive (my aunt had been in poor health for over 5 years).  She never got to see him, hold him, say goodbye, nothing.  It happened so fast.  He didn't know he had it.  He stroked out the night before Easter and was taken off life support on the day after.  He got those dreaded covid blood clots that I'm sure you've read about.  We finally got to give him his funeral mass in October.  His mom passed away 17 days later.  She seemingly willed herself on long enough to see him given his respectful, proper send off.  Not looking for a pity party, but it's been a rough year.

[Walter Sobchak]

Mortality rate is 2%.  If you know 100 people who get it, chances are that 2 of them will die.  I've got about 12 family members who've had it.  Unfortunately, I've had to bury one cousin.  On the positive side, you managed to pull off a 3 sentence post.  Good job.  Make sure you're home by 5.  Gotta be home by 5.  Of course, that's when Wopner comes on.

What is the source of the 2% mortality rate you quote?

Published figures for the Crude Mortality Rate is 0.28% which is an order of magnitude less than the figure you’re quoting.

[Walter Sobchak]

I laughed at first when you read then, then became stone cold serious and thought to myself "...yes."

 

I intend on giving it a shot.  I have some ideas...I might just start posting on Getbig from a smartphone, which will reduce my post sizes by at least 50%, since it's harder to type fast on virtual smartphone keypads.

And I'm going to adjust a tiny bit...sometimes I do think large posts are necessary.  Not sure if you read joswift's post in one of the COVID threads which was a "conspiracy theory", but was very long and interesting to read.  Read it if you have 10 minutes.

I do think there is a time and a place for long posts.  It's a refining process to determine when that is, and I think COVID is an important issue that merits long posts [at least, some].

Don’t tell me what to do, you paint chip eating twink.

[Primemuscle]

But on a serious note..."This vaccine just seems too rushed." <--- I get that this is conspiracy level thinking.

It is rare when I agree with what you post. This is one of those rare moments. The vaccines do seem rushed. Maybe, that is because they has the potential to save a lot of lives, but that doesn't put my mind completely at ease. I will think long and hard about if and when I will get the vaccine.