Covid 19 Vaccines - Should you received it or be forced to?

[Zillotch]

I wonder what Trump supporters think about his stance on the vaccine.

boom... trump wants to bring the pain – at warp speed

Trump will b the one who pounds the final nail into the heart of humanity... no coffin required

the dumb dumbs r so caught up in a soap opera, they r completely blind to reality.

[Zillotch]

It has NOTHING to do with reproductive sterilisation.

'The vaccine contains a  spike protein (see image) called  syncytin-1, vital for the formation of human placenta in women. If the vaccine works so that we form an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, we are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration.'

'After a little research it turns out that Syncytin-1 is also present in sperm, so it’s not only Women that will be steralised but Men as well'

https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261257414_Syncytin-1_and_its_receptor_is_present_in_human_gametes

[Matt]

It's cool.  My cousin was only 52.  Perhaps a couple pounds overweight but not Goodrumesque.  What made it worse was that his mom was still alive (my aunt had been in poor health for over 5 years).  She never got to see him, hold him, say goodbye, nothing.  It happened so fast.  He didn't know he had it.  He stroked out the night before Easter and was taken off life support on the day after.  He got those dreaded covid blood clots that I'm sure you've read about.  We finally got to give him his funeral mass in October.  His mom passed away 17 days later.  She seemingly willed herself on long enough to see him given his respectful, proper send off.  Not looking for a pity party, but it's been a rough year.

That's sad.  52 is not old - given the increases to the human lifespan, I could almost say that 52 is young.  Especially being in shape at 52.  Nothing elderly about that.  Sounds like your cousin was not necessarily in shape, but not hugely out of shape.

I don't know though...maybe when all is said and done, we'll find that COVID, while not particularly deadly, is slightly worse than the flu, and poses more risk to younger people than the flu.  On the flip side, among people 65-80, the flu kills more people as far as I can tell.

So it's kind of odd...COVID is VERY geriatric, in terms of who it targets...but there are some young people who have died, who normally don't die from the normal influenza.

Last question:

Is there ANY chance that your cousin died of COVID due to death certificate fraud, or had an underlying illness he wasn't aware of?

Because just some relatively healthy, slightly overweight 52-year-old...for perspective, in Canada, only 297 Canadians under 60 have died of COVID as of 2020-09-23, with around ~29,700,000 people in that age demographic [rounded up, just to make the numbers easy to calculate].

That means that 99.999% of people under 60 last year did not die of COVID by September 23rd of this year.

That's 1 in 100,000.

I mean...was your cousin really so unhealthy that he would be that one out of 100,000?

It just seems fishy suspicious to me.

Had your cousin been 72, I would have found it more believable.  And I'm not calling you a liar...just wondering if maybe there were more health concerns or underlying issues he may have had.  I don't think you would have any reason to lie about your own cousin.

[Van_Bilderass]

This guy lived right by me, a friend of my friend.
Chrome translate on the news story. The ventialtor lacked tubes so he died when they moved him. My friend is pissed.

[G_Thang]

Fucboi Leaders, Pharmas, Scientists and Vaccines.  Did anyone notice there are no influenza deaths this year?  Fucboi outta here!  You can make this stuff up.

[loco]

The FDA says Pfizer’s Covid vaccine is safe and effective. But trial participants warn of intense symptoms after second shot

Trial participants in the Moderna and Pfizer studies told CNBC they developed more significant symptoms following the second dose.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/08/pfizer-moderna-covid-vaccine-side-effects-trials.html

[the_doc]

'The vaccine contains a  spike protein (see image) called  syncytin-1, vital for the formation of human placenta in women. If the vaccine works so that we form an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, we are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration.'

'After a little research it turns out that Syncytin-1 is also present in sperm, so it’s not only Women that will be steralised but Men as well'

https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261257414_Syncytin-1_and_its_receptor_is_present_in_human_gametes

No one will be sterilised because of this vaccine. If I’m wrong I’ll eat humble pie and buy everyone a beer. The spike shares a few aminos with that other receptor. If this was a likely consequence then you
might expect the actual Covid virus to cause infertility and there is no evidence to date ( and plenty of exposure) to suggest that.
Also that lad worked for Pfizer about 10 years ago and he is not now nor never was the ‘head of research’ This is simply anti-vax bull crap.

[Zillotch]

If I’m wrong I’ll eat humble pie and buy everyone a beer.

ain't no beer in hell, homie.... good luck   

[Hypertrophy]

No one will be sterilised because of this vaccine. If I’m wrong I’ll eat humble pie and buy everyone a beer. The spike shares a few aminos with that other receptor. If this was a likely consequence then you
might expect the actual Covid virus to cause infertility and there is no evidence to date ( and plenty of exposure) to suggest that.
Also that lad worked for Pfizer about 10 years ago and he is not now nor never was the ‘head of research’ This is simply anti-vax bull crap.

You seem to be going out on quite a limb making these claims for a vaccine that has been in development less than a year. There has never been any drug or vaccine developed that has zero side effects. None. It often takes widespread usage and a few years to find out how bad they are. You'll assume we all forgot your posts and are only here to try and get a short term ego boost.

I like lighter beers - any German Hefeweizen will do as long at its draft. And brewed in Munich.

[Zillotch]

also (if them links dont work, copy/paste into address bar):

how did hiv find its way into the rona?

not by accident:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338957445_Uncanny_similarity_of_unique_inserts_in_the_2019-nCoV_spike_protein_to_HIV-1_gp120_and_Gag

We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019- nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature.

more hiv fragments have been identified within the designer rona... 18 of them now (6 + 6 + 6 = 18 - how perfect, lol)

'18 RNA fragments of homology equal or more than 80% with human or simian retroviruses have been found in the COVID_19 genome.'

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342926066_COVID-19_SARS_and_Bats_Coronaviruses_Genomes_Peculiar_Homologous_RNA_Sequences_Jean_Claude_perez_Luc_Montagnier

[OneMoreRep]

Covid-19 vaccine: Allergy warning over new jab

2 NHS workers suffered anaphylaxis after getting covid vaccine.

Source here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-55244122

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[Matt]

No one will be sterilised because of this vaccine. If I’m wrong I’ll eat humble pie and buy everyone a beer. The spike shares a few aminos with that other receptor. If this was a likely consequence then you
might expect the actual Covid virus to cause infertility and there is no evidence to date ( and plenty of exposure) to suggest that.
Also that lad worked for Pfizer about 10 years ago and he is not now nor never was the ‘head of research’ This is simply anti-vax bull crap.

Does your user name denote being a doctor?  If so, why are you pushing a vaccine for a virus that kills people who are on average 84.8 years old, with 2-3 separate health conditions?  Do you know that from an actuarial science perspective, that the people who die of this virus are within the last 6-18 months of their lives anyway?

I can go on here...how about the fact that Canada is spending $1 billion a day to prevent a virus that kills people with five feet in the grave anyway, when that money could be used to extend the lives of people by DECADES?

[Matt]

While I won't get a vaccine without being forced, I think I'm done debating COVID stuff.  It's not merely the fact that I now have two lawyers working with me over my trespassing charge for not wearing a mask, but I'm trying to convince youngish people not to be afraid of a virus when only 26 people under 40 have died, out of over 18 million in that age range.

In Canada, as of 2020-12-10, 297 Canadians under the age of 60 have died of Canada, according to the Public Health Agency of Canada.

And I have friends wearing masks while entering stores, and sanitizing coffee cups handed to them in some kind of tray on a stick by a Tim Hortons worker wearing gloves.

Now with seemingly half of Getbig - literally the community of strongest and smartest men I know - telling me that COVID is a concern, or that an 8-month-old vaccine is ok to take...it's just too much to bear.

I'm sure some Getbiggers have suggested I get psychological help before.  I probably need it, if I intend to live in a world filled with so many people concerned about a virus that they didn't get, that they know no one who died of, that they know no one who was seriously ill of - and in most cases, that they know no one who even got at all.

So...what's an acceptable way to go there?  Is a normal psychologist ok, or should I seek out the services of a psychiatrist [for those who don't know, psychologists have Ph.D's in psychology, whereas psychiatrists are actual medical doctors]?

[Walter Sobchak]

While I won't get a vaccine without being forced, I think I'm done debating COVID stuff.  It's not merely the fact that I now have two lawyers working with me over my trespassing charge for not wearing a mask, but I'm trying to convince youngish people not to be afraid of a virus when only 26 people under 40 have died, out of over 18 million in that age range.

In Canada, as of 2020-12-10, 297 Canadians under the age of 60 have died of Canada, according to the Public Health Agency of Canada.

And I have friends wearing masks while entering stores, and sanitizing coffee cups handed to them in some kind of tray on a stick by a Tim Hortons worker wearing gloves.

Now with seemingly half of Getbig - literally the community of strongest and smartest men I know - telling me that COVID is a concern, or that an 8-month-old vaccine is ok to take...it's just too much to bear.

I'm sure some Getbiggers have suggested I get psychological help before.  I probably need it, if I intend to live in a world filled with so many people concerned about a virus that they didn't get, that they know no one who died of, that they know no one who was seriously ill of - and in most cases, that they know no one who even got at all.

So...what's an acceptable way to go there?  Is a normal psychologist ok, or should I seek out the services of a psychiatrist [for those who don't know, psychologists have Ph.D's in psychology, whereas psychiatrists are actual medical doctors]?

Marty Aspy, we hear your cry for help.


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Good luck.   🤣

[Matt]

Marty Aspy, we hear your cry for help.


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Good luck.   🤣

Walter, do you recommend a psychologist, psychiatrist, offing myself, or something else?

It's not that I want to die...it's that I don't want to live in this brave new, abnormal world, if that makes any sense.

Otherwise, I'm serious.

And tell me something else, Walter: you seem like a non-leftist [non-libtard]...where do you see things going?  Do you think in a year or so, things will be back to normal, without a vaccine being forced, etc?  How do you see this play out?

500 words or more, please.

[Flexacon]

Walter, do you recommend a psychologist, psychiatrist, offing myself, or something else?

It's not that I want to die...it's that I don't want to live in this brave new, abnormal world, if that makes any sense.

Otherwise, I'm serious.

And tell me something else, Walter: you seem like a non-leftist [non-libtard]...where do you see things going?  Do you think in a year or so, things will be back to normal, without a vaccine being forced, etc?  How do you see this play out?

500 words or more, please.

No nut November is over. Go relax yourself.

the-doc was simply separating actual science from tinfoil hat science. He wasn't encouraging vaccine uptake.

No a vaccine won't be forced. The issue of hospital beds being taken up by the sick will largely be negated once over 60s are vaccinated and then things will slowly get back to normal. You might be told you need to get vaccinated if travelling abroad, but that's already been the case for long time if you're travelling to certain places.

[harmankardon1]

All vacancies can cause allergic reactions in susceptible people.

But this is proof that they are still "testing" the vaccine on those going in for them now. Why would they think it would be a good idea to vaccinate 2 people who need to carry epi pens.

That's just it mate they don't "think" the fucks can't be trusted due to general incompetence...

[Flexacon]

You seem to be going out on quite a limb making these claims for a vaccine that has been in development less than a year. There has never been any drug or vaccine developed that has zero side effects. None. It often takes widespread usage and a few years to find out how bad they are. You'll assume we all forgot your posts and are only here to try and get a short term ego boost.

I like lighter beers - any German Hefeweizen will do as long at its draft. And brewed in Munich.

The vaccine technology being used has been in development for several years. Closer to a decade.

He didn't say the vaccine won't have side effects. He said it won't have that one particular side effect. Drugs and vaccine are generally approved and used if they provide a better outcome vs the outcome of whatever they treat. If a disease had a 10% mortality rate and the vaccine for it had side effects which came with a 1% mortality rate, then even someone with shit for brains like you can work out what the better option is.

Great job showing us what a moron you are though. Please continue..

[harmankardon1]

No one will be sterilised because of this vaccine. If I’m wrong I’ll eat humble pie and buy everyone a beer. The spike shares a few aminos with that other receptor. If this was a likely consequence then you
might expect the actual Covid virus to cause infertility and there is no evidence to date ( and plenty of exposure) to suggest that.
Also that lad worked for Pfizer about 10 years ago and he is not now nor never was the ‘head of research’ This is simply anti-vax bull crap.

Agree 100% the infertility angle is nonsense....

What isn't nonsense is the high rates of reactivity severe fever etc2% for Pfizer, 4% moderna,,, this can't be avoided as its due to the lipid delivery system and or the alpha virus replcon genes used to self amplify the mRNA in the host...

And the biggest concern is the chance of chronic inflammation and auto reactive antibodies... This is the worry at this time no one knows medium to long term effects.

[Fortress]

Zero fear of this Covidmania flu and zero chance I’ll be taking the vaccine.

If someone wants to live in his basement, that’s his choice.

Me, I’m gonna just live my life. If I have to wear a mask to purchase some bananas and eggs, whatever, but I’m NOT on board.

With any of it.

[Flexacon]

That's just it mate they don't "think" the fucks can't be trusted due to general incompetence...

They actually banned people from taking part in the original trials if they had a history of severe allergic reactions.

These were medical professionals too..

Incompetence is an understatement.

[harmankardon1]

They actually banned people from taking part in the original trials if they had a history of severe allergic reactions.

These were medical professionals too..

Incompetence is an understatement.

Mate it never ceases to amaze me..

[Matt]

No nut November is over. Go relax yourself.

the-doc was simply separating actual science from tinfoil hat science. He wasn't encouraging vaccine uptake.

No a vaccine won't be forced. The issue of hospital beds being taken up by the sick will largely be negated once over 60s are vaccinated and then things will slowly get back to normal. You might be told you need to get vaccinated if travelling abroad, but that's already been the case for long time if you're travelling to certain places.

I'm crossing my fingers in the hope you are correct about this.

Just one point about the alleged hospitals being overwhelmed:

They're not.

[King Shizzo]

Mate it never ceases to amaze me..

Just like a Harman Kardon soundsytem relates to cars? It used to be a good name...

[Flexacon]

Agree 100% the infertility angle is nonsense....

What isn't nonsense is the high rates of reactivity severe fever etc2% for Pfizer, 4% moderna,,, this can't be avoided as its due to the lipid delivery system and or the alpha virus replcon genes used to self amplify the mRNA in the host...

And the biggest concern is the chance of chronic inflammation and auto reactive antibodies... This is the worry at this time no one knows medium to long term effects.

Severe reactions have generally been lower in the elderly and I'm sure that they'd prefer not spend the last few years they have left hiding away from the virus, so I'm not too worried about them getting the shots. I'm telling my mother to get the Pfizer one.

The rest of us definitely need to wait for more data though and to see the results of other vaccines.

Also they are definitely aware that severe reactions (usually from the second shot) will become an issue for vaccine uptake, so they've started trialling giving a different vaccine instead as the second shot.