BDS is it coming or is it already here?

[tatoo]

That's the problem with making a broad statement such as i did when i said people should be free to live how they want to live.

It opens the door to bringing up other situations that relate to the principle i asserted but don't necessarily relate to the issue at hand with a transgender or in practical sense all together.

A pedo and transgender are two very different things.

whats your favorite color dress sally? lol

[OzmO]

It is the problem when you make broad sweeping statements & They are Flawed & you continue
To deride others for Not agreeing & accepting your point of view.
Best to be accurate I isn’t it. 😀

Your initial statement doesn’t hold up & your now looking for a way out, just admit it was a flawed statement & some folk shouldn’t be doing a job just because they can - Other factors come into
Play & Rightly or wrongly should stop them from doing said job.

Yes a man thinking & pretending to be a woman is very different to someone who has paedophilic tendencies correct, & A centipede & a Giraffe Are Two Very Different Things - And ??

We & others have differing opinions & that’s as it should be. 👍🏻

It's an absurd argument fueled by bias.

My argument is far from flawed, your little red herring aside.

[OzmO]

Really? You're a pretty bad troll and fence sitter, waiting for the winning side for you to jump ship.
Yes, his depression, medical issues, pills, therapist and all the other baggage that comes with being mentally unstable is an issue in making decisions that affect millions of lives. Since he only go the job based on the fact that he's playing the role of a women, I figure any real woman would be pissed that some dude in drag is taking a position solely based on the fact that he's pretending to be a she.

You seem assume much about this person and the various decision making process through his many accomplishments.

[OzmO]

Correct.  Horrible decision.  And if these "recovered" patients were not a threat she wouldn't have quietly moved her mother out of a care home.  Scandalous. 

But what President Biden does is pick people based on their demographic, not their qualifications.  He decided to select a black woman for VP and just filled in the blank with Harris' name later.  The headline for this HHS pick is not her qualifications, but her gender identity.  And he has said pretty clearly that he will be making race-based policy, which is by definition racist. 

I think anyone who had the means to remove their parents from a nursing home should have done so and continue to do so.

I would get my parents out of there regardless.  Many of these deaths have been attributed to nursing homes because of the ability of the virus to flourish there.

Having someone who has had COVID admitted into the home doesn't increase the spread.  One is not connected to the other.

I just got over COVID.   Luckily, I had a mild case, but now for the next few months i don't have to worry about it as much.  i won't likely give it to people, i won't get it.  At least for a couple of months. 

That said, I'm going to evaluate his performance and see how it goes.  I hope he proves me wrong about what a disaster I expect him to be.

That's all that matters in the end.  I will be interested to see your thoughts on this.

[OzmO]

whats your favorite color dress sally? lol

Blondes in a green dress.   

How about you phobe?

[Montague]

Having someone who has had COVID admitted into the home doesn't increase the spread.  One is not connected to the other.

I just got over COVID.   Luckily, I had a mild case, but now for the next few months i don't have to worry about it as much.  i won't likely give it to people, i won't get it.  At least for a couple of months. 

That was the point of my earlier post:

Not everyone who was sent to those facilities was negative. “Discharged and stable” means just that. It does not mean they weren’t still infected.

Having only mild symptoms meant YOU (thankfully) were stable. You were stable, but still infected.
Many of those nursing home patients may still have been contagious upon entry to the nursing homes - despite being discharged from the hospital.

[tatoo]

Blondes in a green dress.   

How about you phobe?

blondes in a black dress... typical weak lib response/accusation too... i was just breaking your balls.. no,  im no phobe,  just call it like i see it... i couldnt care any less what someone else looks or dresses like... i worry about myself and those close me... if you are not in that circle, then you are none of my business... as for the tranny health secretary youre defending to death,, for the sake of those its decisions will impact, i hope it can do its job.

[OzmO]

blondes in a black dress... typical weak lib response/accusation too... i was just breaking your balls.. no,  im no phobe,  just call it like i see it... i couldnt care any less what someone else looks or dresses like... i worry about myself and those close me... if you are not in that circle, then you are none of my business... as for the tranny health secretary youre defending to death,, for the sake of those its decisions will impact, i hope it can do its job.

I was breaking your balls too dude.

Don't be a snow flake.   

[OzmO]

That was the point of my earlier post:

Not everyone who was sent to those facilities was negative. “Discharged and stable” means just that. It does not mean they weren’t still infected.

Having only mild symptoms meant YOU (thankfully) were stable. You were stable, but still infected.
Many of those nursing home patients may still have been contagious upon entry to the nursing homes - despite being discharged from the hospital.

That would be something to look at.  Does discharged and stable mean no symptoms or does it mean they were following the guide line of 10 days after the onset of symptoms.

It would be grossly irresponsible to discharge someone from the hospital and allow them to be admitted into a nursing home if they still contagious.

One of the things that may point to that would be a sharp increase above the norm in nursing homes deaths which according to the article wasn't connected.

[illuminati]

It's an absurd argument fueled by bias.

My argument is far from flawed, your little red herring aside.

My little red herring Exposed A Huge Flaw in your argument
That’s why you were trying desperately to back track somewhat & Make Excuses.
You Got Owned & Exposed. Tough it Happens 👍🏻

My argument is fuelled by Catching you out with you own Statement Which I Did
As You’ve had to add caveats to what you Said.

[Montague]

It is true that coronavirus nursing home-associated deaths have risen in the state.

Combine that with no evidence/ data showing a spike above the normal deaths in nursing homes in other states and the whole assertion falls flat.

One of the things that may point to that would be a sharp increase above the norm in nursing homes deaths which according to the article wasn't connected.

The information in your quotes is contradictory.

Where did you obtain these statistics. I would like to review the report(s)/article(s) for clarity.

[OzmO]

The information in your quotes is contradictory.

Where did you obtain these statistics. I would like to review the report(s)/article(s) for clarity.

Typo on #1

#2 and #3 I referenced what the article said.

I appreciate wanting to see the actual data and compare it to other states. 

But, the fact that people aren’t contagious 10 days after the onset of symptoms and assuming they used that guide when letting people be admitted to a nursing home it would support (not completely by itself) what the article says as fact.   

[OzmO]

My little red herring Exposed A Huge Flaw in your argument
That’s why you were trying desperately to back track somewhat & Make Excuses.
You Got Owned & Exposed. Tough it Happens 👍🏻

My argument is fuelled by Catching you out with you own Statement Which I Did
As You’ve had to add caveats to what you Said.

 

 A herring is a red herring.  Weak sauce lol

Then your  argument is as absurd as the others.  Adjust your tin foil hat. 

[Montague]

Typo on #1

#2 and #3 I referenced what the article said.

I appreciate wanting to see the actual data and compare it to other states. 

But, the fact that people aren’t contagious 10 days after the onset of symptoms and assuming they used that guide when letting people be admitted to a nursing home it would support (not completely by itself) what the article says as fact.

Assumptions are not facts.
Also, the first quote was taken directly from the article you posted. Are you claiming the article printed a typo? How do you know this? It does not appear to be a typo. In fact, the very next paragraph attempts to refute it, validating the claim's accuracy.


I refuse to dismiss the correlation until I see the proper data. Consolidating infected/previously-infected/possibly still contagious elderly people into mass confinement remains the only common denominator in the disproportionate PA deaths occurring in nursing homes during the time frame in question.

[chaos]

You seem assume much about this person and the various decision making process through his many accomplishments.

Do your own research on that community and the danger they present themselves and others.

[illuminati]

 A herring is a red herring.  Weak sauce lol

Then your  argument is as absurd as the others.  Adjust your tin foil hat.

No where Near as Weak as your Flawed Statement You’re the One who’s had to patch up
& Amend your statement 🤔 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Mines Stayed The Same. 👍🏻  😂🤣😂

Cognitive Dissonance your suffering from - Look it up.
Your blanket Statement was Flawed & You were forced to retract & amend it

I’ve long ago Lost interest with word Fencing with an Idiot like yourself
Carry on Fool.

Bye 👋🏻

[OzmO]

No where Near as Weak as your Flawed Statement You’re the One who’s had to patch up
& Amend your statement 🤔 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Mines Stayed The Same. 👍🏻  😂🤣😂

Cognitive Dissonance your suffering from - Look it up.
Your blanket Statement was Flawed & You were forced to retract & amend it

I’ve long ago Lost interest with word Fencing with an Idiot like yourself
Carry on Fool.

Bye 👋🏻

You are like a pigeon.

Your argument is weak because you resorted to using a perceived flaw in mine to make yours.  You cherry picked a part of my argument and took it out of context and applied it to pedophiles.

You don't have anything to say of substance to back up any charges you have against Dr. Levines appointment, so you resorted to basic low level CT argument tactics....  and then claim you are tired of word fencing.   

All of which again, is WEAK SAUCE lol

Please adjust your tin foil hat dumb ass.

[OzmO]

Do your own research on that community and the danger they present themselves and others.

So you have doing deep research on her?

How deep and how does it smell?

[OzmO]

Assumptions are not facts.
Also, the first quote was taken directly from the article you posted. Are you claiming the article printed a typo? How do you know this? It does not appear to be a typo. In fact, the very next paragraph attempts to refute it, validating the claim's accuracy.


I refuse to dismiss the correlation until I see the proper data.

Sorry, i thought that was my quote and that was a the typo. 

I understand the POV of refusing to dismiss the correlation until you see the proper data.  That's why I said I appreciate wanting to see the actual data and compare it to other states.

But in the absence of that data at our disposal, i will take article from Newsweek until shown otherwise.

Consolidating infected/previously-infected/possibly still contagious elderly people into mass confinement ....

Why do you believe they put infected or still contagious elderly people into mass confinement?

remains the only common denominator in the disproportionate PA deaths occurring in nursing homes during the time frame in question.

Are you now claiming there are disproportionate deaths in PA?

Do you have the data we are talking about?

Montague, there seems to be alot of assumptions in that statement.

In that

1. You assume they put infected people in Nursing homes.

2. You assume there are disproportionate deaths in PA.

Didn't you just say "assumptions are not facts" and that you refuse to dismiss the correlation until you see the proper data?

Based on the article, they didn't put infected people in nursing homes and there wasn't a disproportionate increase in deaths in PA.  Until other info/data is brought to light, the charge falls flat.

I am thinking that there should many people out there looking to prove that Dr. Devine's policies did just that and caused thousands of deaths.   Maybe in a few days we will see it.   

[LurkerNoMore]

As we can see... BDS is in full force now.

[OzmO]

As we can see... BDS is in full force now.

I don't get it.  The majority of opposition of this appointment is based on a bias of Dr. Levine being transgender and the arguments are pure absurdity.  One of them saying they wish it was 100 years ago and they would be put in a strap jacket.

Then the one argument that isn't based on her being transgender, isn't based on any facts.

Did Dr. Levine force nursing homes to admit COVID contagious people?  No according to a Newsweek fact check.

Did nursing homes see a disproportionate rise in deaths as a result?   No according to a Newsweek fact check.

Until something, that more factual that contradicts the Newsweek article is brought up the charge falls flat.

The only reasonable thing said so far is from Beach Bum saying he wants to wait and see what Dr. Levine does in her new position.

Let's just be honest here.  They oppose Dr. Levine's promotion because Dr. Levine makes them moist and they can't admit that.

Correction:  2 reasonable arguments with Montague's.

[Montague]

Sorry, i thought that was my quote and that was a the typo. 

I understand the POV of refusing to dismiss the correlation until you see the proper data.  That's why I said I appreciate wanting to see the actual data and compare it to other states.

But in the absence of that data at our disposal, i will take article from Newsweek until shown otherwise.

Why do you believe they put infected or still contagious elderly people into mass confinement?

Are you now claiming there are disproportionate deaths in PA?

Do you have the data we are talking about?

Montague, there seems to be alot of assumptions in that statement.

In that

1. You assume they put infected people in Nursing homes.

2. You assume there are disproportionate deaths in PA.

Didn't you just say "assumptions are not facts" and that you refuse to dismiss the correlation until you see the proper data?

Based on the article, they didn't put infected people in nursing homes and there wasn't a disproportionate increase in deaths in PA.  Until other info/data is brought to light, the charge falls flat.

I am thinking that there should many people out there looking to prove that Dr. Devine's policies did just that and caused thousands of deaths.   Maybe in a few days we will see it.   

Correct. However, the article you posted also admits there was a rise in PA nursing home deaths.

We’ve established that “discharged & stable” does not equate to negative (fully recovered).

Given that PA’s Health Dept’s nursing home guideline is the only common denominator, that - to me - puts the ball in their court to absolve themselves.


I’m not trolling or attacking you. I’m also not a Biden fan, but this has nothing to do with BDS.

I work VERY CLOSELY with covid-19 patients & exposure every day, and this is a very serious topic for me.
Also, having two elderly parents myself, I am quite passionate about how this particular element is being dealt with on local & national levels.

I hope Levine performs well in this role. Hopefully, with the advanced understanding & abilities we now have, better decisions can be made and enacted.

My above criticism of Levine is strictly based on how the events in nursing facilities over last Spring & Summer were managed.

[OzmO]

Correct. However, the article you posted also admits there was a rise in PA nursing home deaths.

We’ve established that “discharged & stable” does not equate to negative (fully recovered).

Given that PA’s Health Dept’s nursing home guideline is the only common denominator, that - to me - puts the ball in their court to absolve themselves.


I’m not trolling or attacking you. I’m also not a Biden fan, but this has nothing to do with BDS.

I work VERY CLOSELY with covid-19 patients & exposure every day, and this is a very serious topic for me.
Also, having two elderly parents myself, I am quite passionate about how this particular element is being dealt with on local & national levels.

I hope Levine performs well in this role. Hopefully, with the advanced understanding & abilities we now have, better decisions can be made and enacted.

My above criticism of Levine is strictly based on how the events in nursing facilities over last Spring & Summer were managed.

Thanks for saying those things and thanks letting me know about you working with COVID-19 patients.  Your points are better taken.

[Montague]

Thanks for saying those things and thanks letting me know about you working with COVID-19 patients.  Your points are better taken.

The feeling is mutual.
It was a civil & intelligent conversation - not the kind that is “settled” here, or at all - but good discussion with good points to consider on all sides.


The rest is a waiting game.

[illuminati]

You are like a pigeon.

Your argument is weak because you resorted to using a perceived flaw in mine to make yours.  You cherry picked a part of my argument and took it out of context and applied it to pedophiles.

You don't have anything to say of substance to back up any charges you have against Dr. Levines appointment, so you resorted to basic low level CT argument tactics....  and then claim you are tired of word fencing.   

All of which again, is WEAK SAUCE lol

Please adjust your tin foil hat dumb ass.

Hey Pal Let Me make This Really Fucking Clear to You, You Stupid arse Pompous Twat
FUCK OFF & WHEN YOU’VE FUCKED OFF GO FUCK OFF SOME MORE IN FACT KEEP FUCKING OFF UNTIL YOU GET BACK HERE & THEN FUCK OFF..

YOUR STATEMENT WAS FLAWED & I EXPOSED IT. TOUGH.

AND WHAT THE UTTER FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT A DR FUCKING LEVINE ?? & SUBSTANCE & CHARGES ??

LEAVE THE SUBSTANCE ABUSE ALONE ITS MAKING YOU POST NONSENSICAL REPLIES.

OH & ONE MORE THING FUCK OFF 👍🏻