Vaccine Deaths

[Matt]

If I'm not at risk for dying from Covid then I can assume I'm not at risk from dying from the vaccine.  I also look at it as doing my part to save others lives and get the economy opened up and flowing freely again.  I am not very religious these days but the whole "my brothers keeper" thing still resonates.

Is it a liberal thing to care about whoever the TV tells you to be afraid of? As an Alt-righter, I've been completely self-isolating when sick since 2003, when I was 21, and an older friend of my dad told me that his dad died in 2000 at age 104, when a flu started circulating in the long-term care home he lived in.

Not wishing for the extreme elderly to die because I got sick was my motivation for fully self-isolating while sick from then on.

I just don't see any evidence of liberals caring about the elderly prior to the TV telling them to, even if you are an exception.

Just FYI - elderly Americans are disproportionately Trump supporters. And all I heard from liberals before is that these people were out-of-touch with reality, and "racist", etc. Suddenly they are the pet project of the left. I'm not buying it.

Regarding the vaccine, not only am I not taking this vaccine - I'm not taking the normal flu vaccine from now on, since the flu poses me no risk, and actually prevents my own immune system from doing its job.

So there is a risk for young people taking vaccines.

If you don't want to get elderly people sick, self-isolate from the first day when you show symptoms of being sick, and stay self-isolate until you are no longer sick.

The micron size of Covid-19 is the same as the flu. Something like 10nm compared to 8-12nm for normal influenza.

This isn't some magical virus where people don't have symptoms. The reason for so many asymptomatic carriers is because the PCR test doesn't test for COVID - it merely amplifies the very small. Hence if you hugged Magic Johnson or Tim Fogarty, you would briefly test positive for HIV, since their HIV-containing skin cells would jump on your body, making your body a carrier of HIV at the microscopic level [in a way that doesn't harm you, or make you a real carrier].

Hence all the "asymptomatic carriers" - these people aren't positive; they simply have microscopic traces of COVID in their bodies as the PCR test merely amplifies the very small.

The PCR test creator said that himself [Kari Mullis, {so?}]. He died just before the pandemic started, and you need to go on Alt-Tech to see videos of him explicitly stating the PCR tests are not meant to diagnose illnesses - merely amplify the very small.

I'm sad you bought into this. But on the flip side - I think you will probably be fine. I have no reason to believe the COVID vaccine is safe, but I also have no evidence that it is unsafe.

I assume you are relatively in shape - IMO, you are already helping the elderly and the vulnerable by being fit. As you will consume fewer healthcare resources because of that.

Two fat women - both over 100-lb overweight - attempted to make me feel guilty for not buying into this hyped pandemic. I can't stand fat people judging me harshly. Like, look in the mirror! Why should two diabetes-ridden women tell me I'm damaging public health? I find that so annoying.

[Board_SHERIF]

If I'm not at risk for dying from Covid then I can assume I'm not at risk from dying from the vaccine.  I also look at it as doing my part to save others lives and get the economy opened up and flowing freely again.  I am not very religious these days but the whole "my brothers keeper" thing still resonates.

good point.

[Matt]

good point.

At what point to we stop appeasing narcissists? As Fortress said, if wearing a mask while going out to get eggs is the price to pay for COVID, fine. But I'm not going to allow "Just wear a mask" to become "Just get a vaccine."

I paid $586 out of pocket to get my HPV vaccine [three shots], because I don't want to inoculate women with cervical cancer. I'd bet any money that under 1% of men paid to do that. That's why I can't stand left-wing scum telling me that I don't care about public health [not AbrahamG - he appears to actually be a thoughtful liberal]. But just in general.

A bunch of overweight opioid-addicted alcoholic Canadians are telling me I don't care about public health. It's just annoying.

[Board_SHERIF]

The technology has been around for a while.

Regardless, there have been no long-term mRNA vaccine trials, and Bill Gates openly wants population control. Also, you're not remotely in the at-risk group...why do you feel the vaccine is worth taking?

If two years pass and over one million people take the vaccine, I'd be fine with it.

you do not want to travel ??

[OneMoreRep]

In case no one has mentioned this yet, there is a database on the CDC website that tracks adverse effects (death included) from all vaccines.

I don't have the link handy, but it's called:

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

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[Fortress]

At what point to we stop appeasing narcissists? As Fortress said, if wearing a mask while going out to get eggs is the price to pay for COVID, fine. But I'm not going to allow "Just wear a mask" to become "Just get a vaccine."

I paid $586 out of pocket to get my HPV vaccine [three shots], because I don't want to inoculate women with cervical cancer. I'd bet any money that under 1% of men paid to do that. That's why I can't stand left-wing scum telling me that I don't care about public health [not AbrahamG - he appears to actually be a thoughtful liberal]. But just in general.

A bunch of overweight opioid-addicted alcoholic Canadians are telling me I don't care about public health. It's just annoying.

Today I did not wear a mask while grocery shopping. Have done so for several months.

But enough is enough.

Over the store PA the music breaks every few minutes to feature an obligatory, and pandering, we-care-about-your-well-being recorded announcement.

It begins with, “As we settle into our new normal ... “

Nope. No way.

Count me OUT.

I’m certain I’m going to encounter hostility, harassment and bullying as I continue to grocery shop maskless, but I have to draw a line in the sand.

Almost a year.

The lack of proportion to what amounts to a very weak threat has me livid.

If you’re scared, wear a mask and stay away from me; or, if you are a complete chicken shit, board up your house and tape garbage bags over you as you cower in the basement. Perhaps wear a welder’s mask. After you’ve allowed someone to inject some cocktail potion into your body.

I’m done.

[AbrahamG]

Today I did not wear a mask while grocery shopping. Have done so for several months.

But enough is enough.

Over the store PA the music breaks every few minutes to feature an obligatory, and pandering, we-care-about-your-well-being recorded announcement.

It begins with, “As we settle into our new normal ... “

Nope. No way.

Count me OUT.

I’m certain I’m going to encounter hostility, harassment and bullying as I continue to grocery shop maskless, but I have to draw a line in the sand.

Almost a year.

The lack of proportion to what amounts to a very weak threat has me livid.

If you’re scared, wear a mask and stay away from me; or, if you are a complete chicken shit, board up your house and tape garbage bags over you as you cower in the basement. Perhaps wear a welder’s mask. After you’ve allowed someone to inject some cocktail potion into your body.

I’m done.

You are both a selfish prick and a victim all at once. 

[Matt]

you do not want to travel ??

If not getting the vaccine means no more travel, then I'll take that consequence. I wouldn't mind catching another Arnold Classic or Olympia, but oh well.

I will be waiting at least two years before getting any vaccine. Most likely, I will not be getting it at all. If an actual risky pandemic emerges, I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

[Matt]

Today I did not wear a mask while grocery shopping. Have done so for several months.

But enough is enough.

Over the store PA the music breaks every few minutes to feature an obligatory, and pandering, we-care-about-your-well-being recorded announcement.

It begins with, “As we settle into our new normal ... “

Nope. No way.

Count me OUT.

I’m certain I’m going to encounter hostility, harassment and bullying as I continue to grocery shop maskless, but I have to draw a line in the sand.

Almost a year.

The lack of proportion to what amounts to a very weak threat has me livid.

If you’re scared, wear a mask and stay away from me; or, if you are a complete chicken shit, board up your house and tape garbage bags over you as you cower in the basement. Perhaps wear a welder’s mask. After you’ve allowed someone to inject some cocktail potion into your body.

I’m done.

Exactly! Remember the stories of Johnny Fuller [RIP] sleeping in garbage bags and eating raw onions to get shredded. LMAO. What a dumb shit. Only in hindsight, can we see how moronic some people/actions are.

I'm not wearing a mask while not being sick. It's completely delusional. The same left-wing scum who ask us to wear masks are demanding the importation of MILLIONS of people into The West who consistently violate the rules of civil society, causing this virus to spread the most anyway. In a high-trust, majority-White society, we would see much less virus spread, and be much better equipped to fight the virus, rather than disproportionately pay for demographics who leach off our system.

You'll need to use force to wear a mask from now on. I'm not appeasing narcissists any longer. Long-term care homes have 57x the COVID spread, and THAT is where we should be spending our money. I'm being told that *I* need to use curbside pickup services and flip my life upside down over the 0.5% of the the population unable to leave their homes and also unable to use these services. That makes sense in Liberal La La Land - force over 90% of the population to do the bidding of under 1% [the rest being vulnerable elderly people in long-term care homes], rather than letting the vast majority of us get back to our lives, and produce more economically to ultimately benefit all of us. Left-wing idiots think money grows on trees, and just exists somehow, and won't understand otherwise until they find out their own welfare agency has gone bankrupt, or friends or family are unemployed because the small business they work for went under.

[Matt]

You are both a selfish prick and a victim all at once.

It was Democrats who prevented the American border from being closed to begin with, and called people "racist" for suggesting doing so. Your side started this pandemic to begin with, and you're calling others selfish?

Why are you interacting with other people? You could be an asymptotic carrier, spreading COVID. Why is that ok with you?

[AbrahamG]

It was Democrats who prevented the American border from being closed to begin with, and called people "racist" for suggesting doing so. Your side started this pandemic to begin with, and you're calling others selfish?

Why are you interacting with other people? You could be an asymptotic carrier, spreading COVID. Why is that ok with you?

You are not a U.S citizen.  Stay in your lane.

[Dave D]

They wouldnt kill Hammerin' Hank. He was just old. Wait for the autopsy report. He will have died from the flu.

And what about Larry King?

[evacnam]

You are both a selfish prick and a victim all at once.

Careful Fortress is a big scary macho man. Lolol hes a fukin pansy overcompensating. What a tool

[AbrahamG]

Careful Fortress is a big scary macho man. Lolol hes a fukin pansy overcompensating. What a tool

 

[Zillotch]

[Matt]

You are not a U.S citizen.  Stay in your lane.

My lane [Canada] sucks dick. It's a piece of shit. It takes nine months to get appointments for life-saving medical scans here when previous biopsies have CONFIRMED that you have cancer.

WHY would you want that, AbrahamG?

You should be THRILLED that you have actual freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, and the option to buy private healthcare.

WHY would you want to become more like Canada? We are poor as shit here. Cost of living is probably double.

Man, you don't know what you got 'til it's gone.

Canada is not horrible, but I WISH we had a stronger constitution here.

[AbrahamG]

My lane [Canada] sucks dick. It's a piece of shit. It takes nine months to get appointments for life-saving medical scans here when previous biopsies have CONFIRMED that you have cancer.

WHY would you want that, AbrahamG?

You should be THRILLED that you have actual freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, and the option to buy private healthcare.

WHY would you want to become more like Canada? We are poor as shit here. Cost of living is probably double.

Man, you don't know what you got 'til it's gone.

Canada is not horrible, but I WISH we had a stronger constitution here.

Private health care is horrible here.  Absolutely horrible.  My monthly bill for my employer provided health care is $446.  That amounts to $5356 per year and that does not include dental which is another $780 for the year.  For medical and dental that is $6136 per year.  Guess what that gets me, my wife and kids?  One wellness exam per year, a breast exam and a colonoscopy if you meet the criteria.  $40 for a doctor visit.  $50 to visit urgent care or specialist.  $100 ER co-pay and $1000 if you use an ambulance and DON'T die.  Now, if my dermatologist finds something needing removing?  Even a small squamous cell piece of skin cancer?  I pay 80% of that cost until my deductible is met which is $3000 per individual or $6000 for the family.  Whichever comes first.  My cousin in Toronto tore his biceps about 10 years ago.  It was a Monday and he had it repaired a week from that Friday.  So about 10 days for an extremely non life threatening procedure.  No co pays, no nothing.  If you live in Bumblefuck, Ontario and there is a doctor shortage, move somewhere more populated.  You guys in Canada get way more bang for your tax dollars than we do here.

[Matt]

Private health care is horrible here.  Absolutely horrible.  My monthly bill for my employer provided health care is $446.  That amounts to $5356 per year and that does not include dental which is another $780 for the year.  For medical and dental that is $6136 per year.  Guess what that gets me, my wife and kids?  One wellness exam per year, a breast exam and a colonoscopy if you meet the criteria.  $40 for a doctor visit.  $50 to visit urgent care or specialist.  $100 ER co-pay and $1000 if you use an ambulance and DON'T die.  Now, if my dermatologist finds something needing removing?  Even a small squamous cell piece of skin cancer?  I pay 80% of that cost until my deductible is met which is $3000 per individual or $6000 for the family.  Whichever comes first.  My cousin in Toronto tore his biceps about 10 years ago.  It was a Monday and he had it repaired a week from that Friday.  So about 10 days for an extremely non life threatening procedure.  No co pays, no nothing.  If you live in Bumblefuck, Ontario and there is a doctor shortage, move somewhere more populated.  You guys in Canada get way more bang for your tax dollars than we do here.

To be fair, in the 2000 WHO ratings of healthcare quality, Canada ranked #32, and the USA ranked #33, IIRC.

That's not THAT different. Times have changed, but both systems are pretty good - it's that different people both suffer and benefit under either system: in the USA, I think the working poor suffer the most. In Canada, the upper middle class and richer - if not the middle class and richer - suffer the most, IMO.

Ask Walter Sobchak, but I think in Chicago, they had something like 1,000 lithotripters in 2003. Toronto, a similar sized city, had only three.

Some final points to consider:

1. As said, I think American healthcare is the worst for the working poor. Yes, your healthcare, specifically, does sound a bit costly - but sounds like you have coverage. It sounds to me that while your deductible is high, that at least you can get certain procedures literally unavailable here. Example: after the cutbacks to Ontario healthcare in 2015, Thunder Bay lost three family doctors, and one "locum". I think it was a "dermatologist locum"; basically our only dermatologist left to move to Winnipeg. In other words, if I have squamous carcinoma, I need to drive eight hours to Winnipeg. Better than dying I guess. But most people probably wouldn't drive there, and ignore potential skin cancer appearing on their bodies. Michael Moore is being disingenuous to tell Americans that Canada's healthcare is basically perfect. It's a decent system, but it's not without fault. FYI, in Thunder Bay, 50,000 citizens have no family doctor - that's half our residents.

2. Apparently 50 cents out of every dollar spent on American healthcare is 50 cents from the public tax purse. So to say American healthcare is only private is not true. Lots of government waste goes into American healthcare too. Is Canada's healthcare system, despite being a government bureaucracy, more efficient [cost effective] than the USA's? Yes. I find that weird...but you are right about that, when comparing both systems overall.

3. In Canada, all profit incentives are removed to produce pharmaceutical drugs. So where are they produced? In the USA! And all the arrogant ideological Canadians who complain about American drug companies making profits LINE UP to buy those drugs. And I HATE this hypocritical anti-American sentiment from Canadians.

4. Your personal healthcare still sounds better than mine, lol. Albeit more expensive than I expected.

[AbrahamG]

To be fair, in the 2000 WHO ratings of healthcare quality, Canada ranked #32, and the USA ranked #33, IIRC.

That's not THAT different. Times have changed, but both systems are pretty good - it's that different people both suffer and benefit under either system: in the USA, I think the working poor suffer the most. In Canada, the upper middle class and richer - if not the middle class and richer - suffer the most, IMO.

Ask Walter Sobchak, but I think in Chicago, they had something like 1,000 lithotripters in 2003. Toronto, a similar sized city, had only three.

Some final points to consider:

1. As said, I think American healthcare is the worst for the working poor. Yes, your healthcare, specifically, does sound a costly - but sounds like you have coverage. It sounds to me that while your deductible is high, that at least you can get certain procedures literally unavailable here. Example: after the cutbacks to Ontario healthcare in 2015, Thunder Bay lost three family doctors, and one "locum". I think it was a "dermatologist locum"; basically our only dermatologist left to move to Winnipeg. In other words, if I have squamous carcinoma, I need to drive eight hours to Winnipeg. Better than dying I guess. But most people probably wouldn't drive there, and ignore potential skin cancer appearing on their bodies. Michael Moore is being disingenuous to tell Americans that Canada's healthcare is basically perfect. It's a decent system, but it's not without fault. FYI, in Thunder Bay, 50,000 citizens have no family doctor - that's half our residents.

2. Apparently 50 cents out of every dollar spent on American healthcare is a public tax dollar. So to say American healthcare is only private is not true. Lots of government waste goes into American healthcare too. Is Canada's healthcare system, despite being a government bureaucracy, more efficient than the USA's? Yes. I find that weird...but you are right about that, when comparing both systems overall.

3. In Canada, all profit incentives are removed to produce pharmaceutical drugs. So where are they produced? In the USA! And all the arrogant ideological Canadians who complain about American drug companies making profits LINE UP to buy those drugs. And I HATE this hypocritical anti-American sentiment from Canadians.

4. Your personal healthcare still sounds better than mine, lol. Albeit more expensive than I expected.

No reason the US can't take the Canadian model and perfect it.  We have more people, more doctors and less desolate areas than does Canada. 

[Matt]

No reason the US can't take the Canadian model and perfect it.  We have more people, more doctors and less desolate areas than does Canada.

I'm not so sure that more people [greater population] makes a social healthcare bureaucracy better.

Do you mean that more people = more purchasing power, which ultimately means that greater economies of scale will be produced, this saving money?

That may be true. As a person who greatly respects state's rights and fear growing federal government power through consolidation, I am somewhat concerned about large federal bureaucracies. My other concern is that people like AOC will then start demanding every illegal immigrant get free healthcare, including violent offenders. For example, in Canada, we have thousands - perhaps over a million, or even millions - of people who have moved here to basically leach off our generous welfare system. And the USA has 10x the population, which will likely result in 10x the people coming into the USA to do the same thing.

Honestly, it wouldn't bother me, if not for the ASSHOLES complaining about Americans, calling them racists and imperialists, etc.

Ever since age 13, I have HATED Canadians whining about Americans - classmates who would bitch about Americans, while watching The Simpsons, and other American TV and movies every week! We were being brainwashed in school to not hate people based on group membership, yet also being brainwashed to hate Americans.

That contradiction is what ultimately initially made me "racist".

Regarding your last two points:

Having more doctors and fewer desolate areas will help you.

But one warning on that - in Ontario in 2015, the Liberal government had to apply some pretty big budget cutbacks to healthcare, as they had the Teacher's Union placing big demands on them [Ontario teachers get paid either the highest or 2nd/3rd highest in North America].

End result = Thunder Bay lost either two or three family physicians to other provinces, and our only dermatologist at the time. I think we had one more [Dr. Mahler], but he was close to retirement age. These details may be somewhat off, but this is basically what happened.

From reading your post, I can see that American healthcare isn't perfect. I just hesitate to fix any system that is working.

Also, let's be honest - despite all the people bitching about the USA "oppressing" people, look at how many people risk their lives to live there. IMO, if you start giving out more free stuff, next thing you know, Biden will start importing more poor people to become American citizens.

If there was some way to guarantee that this abuse wouldn't happen - I'd say go for it. But in Canada, the hospital is so filled up with people in the ER with headaches, that I opt not to go when I probably should. Just like how COVID has prevented people from going to the ER when needed.

Final point - no system is perfect. You make some good points about why Canada's healthcare model is good in some ways, and how the USA's could be improved. I'm just hesitant to suggest any changes, as I find all socialist programs get abused.

If your healthcare plan is as you claim, I do see that as being a bit costly.

Maybe the moral here is we both need to keep training hard, to stay out of hospitals, lol.

[Zillotch]

[epic is back]

You are both a selfish prick and a victim all at once.

bring it

[AbrahamG]

bring it

After school, I'll meet you in the park.  Grow up douche bag.

[evacnam]

After school, I'll meet you in the park.  Grow up douche bag.

caredul he will say he wont ever interact with you on hetbig again and then reply to you multiple times after making that statement. I think its a psychological ploy 

[epic is back]

caredul he will say he wont ever interact with you on hetbig again and then reply to you multiple times after making that statement. I think its a psychological ploy 

gee wiz bro

it only took your brain 50 plus years to grow a level of intellect

say your prayers eat vitamins