Ted Nugent former covid-19 denier ,gets Covid

[tommywishbone]

Tosser.      I'm not even sure what that means but it's still funny.

[Thin Lizzy]

I respect your opinion on this and it's obvious you're aware of the data.
However, for me it's a lot more simple . 200 million got a vaccine shot already. That's working well.
LOL, even Trump got a vaccine after he recovered from catching it.

Gee one would think that a man of science like yourself would know that correlation doesn’t equal causation. You have no idea what went on with Trump and cases fall off a cliff every year at this time because flu season is ending.

[Howard]

LOL that you get a more comprehensive analysis on an obscure bodybuilding board than from the entire main stream media combined.😂😂

I know you and those you agree with on this issue , honestly feel you're better informed and know the real truth.
Maybe? But I doubt it and I've seen this kind of thinking before.

In my observation and OPINION , it's the same type that thought Y2K would result in doomsday in 2000.
It's the same types that promoted the Mayan Doomsday scenario that would end the world in 2012.
These are the prepper types that feel smarter then the rest of us , by getting ready for the next apocalypse .

I'll openly admit, I'm not 100% sure the vaccine I took, along with 200 million Americans in 100% safe.
To me, it comes down to going with the  best shot to get thru a problem.

I know many like you call me a "sheep" and say I go along with the herd, never thinking outside the box.
Fair enough based on my lifestyle, but, I still THINK and make judgements.

At the end of the day, my wife and I have done just fine living by "the system" here in the USA.

We may disagree, but I honestly find your posts interesting. It's obvious you've put some serious thought into them.
I simply don't think the vaccine provides a risk to 99.99% of those who take it.

[Dave D]

I know you and those you agree with on this issue , honestly feel you're better informed and know the real truth.
Maybe? But I doubt it and I've seen this kind of thinking before.

In my observation and OPINION , it's the same type that thought Y2K would result in doomsday in 2000.
It's the same types that promoted the Mayan Doomsday scenario that would end the world in 2012.
These are the prepper types that feel smarter then the rest of us , by getting ready for the next apocalypse .

I'll openly admit, I'm not 100% sure the vaccine I took, along with 200 million Americans in 100% safe.
To me, it comes down to going with the  best shot to get thru a problem.

I know many like you call me a "sheep" and say I go along with the herd, never thinking outside the box.
Fair enough based on my lifestyle, but, I still THINK and make judgements.

At the end of the day, my wife and I have done just fine living by "the system" here in the USA.

We may disagree, but I honestly find your posts interesting. It's obvious you've put some serious thought into them.
I simply don't think the vaccine provides a risk to 99.99% of those who take it.

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Howard this is correct.

And it is also true of the virus itself, hence why many are opposed to a vaccine after being told this virus was a death sentence.

[Howard]

Gee one would think that a man of science like yourself would know that correlation doesn’t equal causation. You have no idea what went on with Trump and cases fall off a cliff every year at this time because flu season is ending.

He did and so did Melania , privately in the WH ( see Fox news link)
https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-urges-all-americans-to-get-covid-vaccine-its-a-safe-vaccine

[Howard]

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Howard this is correct.

And it is also true of the virus itself, hence why many are opposed to a vaccine after being told this virus was a death sentence.

I've always said that the progressive left tends to increase the death risks and the hard right downplays it.
The real danger ( to me ) is being hospitalized and having to receive serious medical care ( like Trump) or worse by being put on a vent.

[Tapeworm]

This is where things get complicated and virology isn't my field, so I'm ignorant on some of the key details.
All I do know is that we can eradicate the Covid-19 virus and similar variants with the vaccine.
 I "THINK"  the dangerous part of this virus is located in the protein spike.  The mRNA vaccine targets that.

Every medical expert (I know)  adds, we need to get most people vaccinated quickly to eradicate the disease.
When people refuse the vaccine, it allows for the original virus to linger and eventually mutate .
Right now, we have a few mutations but they are similar enough , that the vaccine still works on 'em.

 This is why it's important to get the vaccine NOW!  It's our best path forward . Let's not allow  perfect to be the enemy of the good.

Do we all have a moral obligation to take the vaccine? If the unvaccinated are harming the vaccinated, should the vaccine be mandatory and people who refuse it face criminal charges?

[Matt]

@Matt

you make alot of sense..but so does this guy:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/m0rove/when_the_200ug_tabs_turns_out_to_really_be_200ug/

He doesn't make any sense, lol.

Is 200ug of Acid routinely faked? What's a standard acid trip dose?

I heard acid is just like seeing everything in neon, but nothing otherworldly [like DMT presumably, which Joe Rogan pushes a lot].

Are you familiar with acid? My friend is a huge fan, and the way he described it, it didn't sound like it was crazy, but from what I read, it's capable of taking a turn.

I'm sure it would end badly if I took it, and cause my posts to triple in size.

[Humble Narcissist]

Do we all have a moral obligation to take the vaccine? If the unvaccinated are harming the vaccinated, should the vaccine be mandatory and people who refuse it face criminal charges?

If the vaccinated are not actually protected from the unvaccinated, what in the Hell is the vaccine for?

[Matt]

If  being in the basement was good enough for Biden , it's  good enough for me.
Plus, I have my Bow Flex down there. My treadmill looks  out the NORTH window, so I can see Canada 

May a large Canuck moose, shove an antler up your ass. Good time 'eh Matt

Here you are, back in the day, when you were young and full of jizz 

Not anymore. The second last woman I was with completely destroyed all that. I think the bitch impacted my epigenetics, and shut my sex drive down [plus turning 40 this year].

You are similar to Nicholas Cage - either a marriage addict or a glutton for punishment or possibly both.

As for COVID - it's just not the lethal threat it was claimed to be initially. It's 99.73% survivable in people under 70.

Had we chilled and gotten a grip on this, maybe more efforts could have been made to protect the elderly [the only real at-risk group, i.e., over 80]. Also, unscientific morons wearing masks made us target non-mask wearing people as the problem, when all studies show that MASKS DO NEXT TO NOTHING TO STOP THE SPREAD.

It only makes a difference if you HAVE COVID [obviously you need to HAVE a virus in order to spread it!], and that usually means being symptomatic.

[Howard]

Matt, I'll be 63 this year and have been married 3x. The 9 wives stuff is a self deprecating joke.

Glad to hear you're doing well and still training hard up there in the Northern Tundra.
Just don't do bent over rows when a large male moose is outside your gym 

[Primemuscle]

Who denies Covid-19 is a real virus?

If you can forgive the rest of us for being aware of the fact that COVID is 99.9% survivable in most age demographics [and is literally 2,807 times as deadly for people over 80 than people under 40 here in Canada], you can lock yourself in your basement forever, and let the rest of us move on with our lives.

And no, I'm not getting an untested gene therapy technology [it does not meet the traditional medical definition of a vaccine, so please stop calling it that] for a virus I probably got last February and recovered from in six days.

Again, you are welcome to lock yourself in your basement with everyone else afraid of their shadow.

We would actually prefer this.

Your narrative of a massive global killer plague has disappeared. The low lethality rate, age demographic data on risk groups, and economic toll of all these measures which did little to nothing to actually prevent COVID from spreading in the actual at-risk demographic [over 80] has now undeniably gone. It serves you right for lying and gaslighting millions - quite possibly billions - of people and suffocating children in masks while telling them COVID is a deadly pandemic to all people equally when this is now all obviously completely horseshit.

As the months go on, their will be so many lawsuits with various world governments being unable to prove the claims of risks they made with any actual data to back it up that people will be pointing to politicians who said this, and asking for their HEADS ON STICKS, for fuck's sake.

Yet you STILL believe this shit.

Do you know even ONE PERSON who died of COVID, Howard? You daft twat.

And your lies about COVID being some great equalizer of death is directly what caused people to be pushed into mass hysteria mode, which resulted in 69% of all Covid-19 deaths in Canada to be in long-term care homes alone:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/canada-record-covid-19-deaths-wealthy-countries-cihi-1.5968749

And yet you STILL go on.

Unbelievable.

You are a part of the reason why I'm forced to default to believe that all Little Hats are lying to my face every time they talk to me. The fuck is even wrong with you?

God, I hate that every post of yours I read just reaffirms racial stereotypes. I blame you in part for my anti-Semitism which I unfairly directed at OneMoreRep, when his posts versus yours are like fact versus fiction.

On a sort of positive note, I was somewhat impressed with how well the people of the world came together to fight a perceived shared global threat.

What I resent is the continued lies from your camp [your camp being left-wingers and mainstream media - not Jews].

You know, you can say whatever you want about my posts, but they tend to age well.

Your posts tend to age like your marriages. Or my marriages for that matter, if I was dumb enough to get into one.

I think I'm just a lot better at predicting the outcomes of things than you are [whether good or bad].

Covid-19 was not the global threat it claimed to be, and people globally participated in combating it anyway.

But when do you permit us to say "ENOUGH"?

Again, you are welcome to lock yourself in your basement, Howard. No one is stopping you.

Careful Matt, I read where there is a recent new wave of younger folks getting seriously ill or dying from COVID.

[Hypertrophy]

Careful Matt, I read where there is a recent new wave of younger folks getting seriously ill or dying from COVID Vaccine

Fixed it for you.

[Howard]

Fixed it for you.

LOL, funny .

I know, I know, I know the mantra. You're the smart ones with the secret knowledge.
I have no idea what (if any) conspiracy theories you buy into . But here's the way I see it:

Having a decent, happy , normal life is all about enduring daily crap.
You get up with the alarm, shower, shave, eat , dress and show up to work.
If you're lucky, you get to share your life with a loving wife . Most men,  also want kids .

You save your money, build your credit, keep your nose clean , buy a house, car , etc
If you stay the course, you eventually get to retire and have more free time to fart around.

It's tempting to think , those in high places have some  secret knowledge or insider group helping them.
Maybe? But it's more likely they got lucky , inherited wealth ,  found a  niche .
Some had the brains or talent to make it big.

Most (like me) posting here will live, work and die in relative obscurity.
So do your best to eek out some financial security and hold on tight to your loved ones.
That's life for 99% of us poor working slobs.


Hope this helps...well, not really


 

[Walter Sobchak]

I'm sure it would end badly if I took it, and cause my posts to triple in size.

Oh hell no...absolutely hell fucking no. Getbig cannot survive this.

[Thin Lizzy]

Careful Matt, I read where there is a recent new wave of younger folks getting seriously ill or dying from COVID.

I remember hearing that AIDS was going to explode into the heterosexual population. More than 30 years later we’re still waiting for that to happen.

Ironically it was the same little shit, Fauci, that told us that.

[Howard]

Oh hell no...absolutely hell fucking no. Getbig cannot survive this.

Finally, we agree on something.

In related news hell just opened an ice skating rink.

[Walter Sobchak]

Finally, we agree on something.

In related news hell just opened an ice skating rink.

Fuck off you fat inbred stupid kunt.

[Zillotch]

I simply don't think the vaccine provides a risk to 99.99% of those who take it.

Howard this is correct.

there are legitimate, known dangers with this gene therapy.

those dangers r reality.

to state clear falsehoods directly opposing reality to the detriment of mankind is demonstratively evil.

enjoy hell.

[Zillotch]

the mRNA vaccine is geared to attack the protein spike of covid19 and render it useless.

mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are really ‘gene therapy’ and not vaccines

former professor at the University of Virginia’s school of medicine Dr. David Martin, Ph.D

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mrna-covid-19-vaccines-are-really-gene-therapy-and-not-vaccines-ethicist

“The problem is that in the case of Moderna and Pfizer, this is not a vaccine. This is gene therapy,” he continued. The Moderna and Pfizer creations send “a strand of synthetic RNA into the human being and is invoking within the human being the creation of the S1 spike protein, which is a pathogen.”

“This is not only not keeping you from getting sick, it’s making your body produce the thing that makes you sick,” Martin added.

The interviewer admitted that this description – that the injection makes one's body produce an effect that makes one sick – sounds somewhat similar to the effect of vaccines.

But Martin countered that it is “not at all” like a vaccine, since “a vaccine is supposed to trigger immunity. It’s not supposed to trigger you to make a toxin.”

“It’s not somewhat different. It’s not the same at all,” Martin explained. “It’s a means by which your body is conscripted to make the toxin that then allegedly your body somehow gets used to dealing with, but unlike a vaccine, which is to trigger the immune response, this is to trigger the creation of the toxin.”

Targeting the pharmaceutical companies behind the supposed vaccinations, Martin alleged that they have manipulated clinical trial methodology to push their “vaccines” through development and production.

“They (pharmaceutical companies) said they could not test for the existence or absence of the virus and they could not test for the transmissivity because they said it would be impractical. (lol) The companies themselves have admitted to every single thing I’m saying, but they are using the public manipulation of the word vaccine to co-opt the public into believing they’re getting a thing which they are not getting.”

Instead, Martin warns that an mRNA injection “is not going to stop you from getting coronavirus. It’s not going to stop you from getting sick. In fact, on the contrary, it will make you sick far more often than the virus itself.”

Martin presented data confirming his claim, noting that after receiving their second shot of the jab, “80 percent of people had one or more clinical presentations of COVID-19,” whereas “80 percent of people who have an infection according to RT-PCR have no symptoms at all.”

Explaining what the figures mean, he said that people “will get COVID-19 symptoms from getting the gene therapy passed off as a vaccine. You will get COVID symptoms from that 80 percent of the time. If you’re exposed to SARS-CoV-2 according to RT-PCR (positive PCR test), 80 percent of the time you will have no symptoms at all.”

Looking more closely at the claims emanating from the clinical trials, Martin questioned the integrity of companies developing mRNA “gene therapy technology.”

“A human being is going to be potentially exposed to unclassified, both short-term and long-term, risks of altering their RNA and DNA from exposure to this gene therapy,” Martin warned. Of the 40,000 participants in Moderna’s clinical trial, Martin noted that only a “few hundred people had a few days less severe symptoms with the gene therapy when compared to the other control group.”

Even this, he said, is unreliable information, as the pharmaceutical firms “separate out adverse events from actual COVID symptoms.” This allowed the companies to reclassify “a lot of what would have been considered to be COVID symptoms by calling them adverse events,” giving rise to “this ridiculous 90 percent plus effectiveness.”

“As a result of that, we have both a methodology problem, which by the way, has been criticized by a number of clinical scientists. The bigger problem is that they’re still not measuring viral susceptibility and viral transmission. Those are the two legs of the stool that is (sic) required for anyone to say that they are vaccinating a population for public health reasons.”

Martin advised that “this (gene therapy) is not a prophylactic, this is not helping us, we are being told to take a treatment for a disease we don’t have and most likely will not have.”

[Howard]

there are legitimate, known dangers with this gene therapy.

those dangers r reality.

to state clear falsehoods directly opposing reality to the detriment of mankind is demonstratively evil.

enjoy hell.

Your ref. source is a real prof at the Univ of Va. and obviously knows some bioscience.
BUT, the site he's published on ( you linked ) is a pro-life, Christian based site with a "faith agenda".
I don't know enough on the topic to give you a sensible debate , as it's out of my field.

However, this biased report won't be found in a refereed scientific journal or be listed on the CDC or purely biomedical source.

[Zillotch]

BUT

you're not saying anything.

you're not capable of saying anything:

there is no mystery in regard to mRNA tech – the dangers r known.

that's another reason why u r an imbecile – u spout off, ignorantly - to the detriment of humanity.

[Dave D]

there are legitimate, known dangers with this gene therapy.

those dangers r reality.

to state clear falsehoods directly opposing reality to the detriment of mankind is demonstratively evil.

enjoy hell.

At least quote my whole post.

My point was the virus wasn't as deadly as advertised.

[Howard]

you're not saying anything.

you're not capable of saying anything:

Show me a study from a recognized biomedical science journal and you'll have some credible info to debate.
Your study comes from a source that's about promoting some agenda, just like you .

[Howard]

At least quote my whole post.

My point was the virus wasn't as deadly as advertised.

You're correct but the "advertised" part has 2 sides.

The pro Trump, right, tended to "downplay" how bad covid really was.
and
The liberal left, tended to exaggerate the risk of covid.
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/10/24/Politics-key-to-views-on-COVID-19-in-US-poll-shows/5131603490177/

For many,  reality is distorted by their political views.