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Re: Ted Nugent former covid-19 denier ,gets Covid
« Reply #125 on: April 27, 2021, 06:42:59 PM »
You're correct but the "advertised" part has 2 sides.

The pro Trump, right, tended to "downplay" how bad covid really was.
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The liberal left, tended to exaggerate the risk of covid.
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/10/24/Politics-key-to-views-on-COVID-19-in-US-poll-shows/5131603490177/

For many,  reality is distorted by their political views.

Fair points.

All my covid information was from news sites not political sites though.

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« Reply #126 on: April 27, 2021, 06:52:51 PM »
Fair points.

All my covid information was from news sites not political sites though.

Most of the cable news sites have some form of bias on reporting covid.
CNN and MSNBC tend to give the viewer a sense of doom from covid .
But Fox and OAN tend to make you feel covid is no big deal.

BOTH are wrong.

The best source , in my opinion , is your local/state 6:00 news show.

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« Reply #127 on: April 27, 2021, 07:04:19 PM »
Most of the cable news sites have some form of bias on reporting covid.
CNN and MSNBC tend to give the viewer a sense of doom from covid .
But Fox and OAN tend to make you feel covid is no big deal.

BOTH are wrong.

The best source , in my opinion , is your local/state 6:00 news show.

I watched them all. I never noticed a bias. No one said stay mask free.

Local news in the LA market  wasn’t reporting anything differently.

Covid was a death sentence.


It was actually talking with medical professionals who gave me legitimate information.

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« Reply #128 on: April 27, 2021, 07:25:38 PM »
If the vaccinated are not actually protected from the unvaccinated, what in the Hell is the vaccine for?

Howard is saying it protects from current covid but not from variants which emerge from the unvaccinated.

Seems like the conclusion would be "Therefore you don't have the right to refuse to take it." Although he stopped short of saying that.

I asked him if that is so because I don't want to put words in his mouth but he hasn't responded yet.

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« Reply #129 on: April 27, 2021, 07:56:11 PM »
Do we all have a moral obligation to take the vaccine? If the unvaccinated are harming the vaccinated, should the vaccine be mandatory and people who refuse it face criminal charges?

Coercing people into any medical intervention, wahtsoever, without proper informed consent is a crime against humanity, and people were hanged for this crime in the Nuremburg Trials following the defeat of Nazi Germany. Coercion includes not just legal force, but any social or economic manipulation applied to the individual as well. It is worth considering that vaccines are the only products manufactured in the U.S. where the manufacturers have complete immunity from liability. Not even other medical compounds (for example, Vioxx) have this immunity from liability. This means that if I take a vaccine now, and end up with any kind of autoimmune disorder a few years down the road, I have no legal recourse nor any possibility of compensation whatsoever. This reason alone is good enough reason to avoid any vaccinations, whatsoever.

No liability, no mandates.

I am 58 years old, and have a physique better than probably 97% of all of the young guys out there. I do not take any prescription meds whatsoever, and do not feel any "aches or pains" or any of the other crap that most people of my generation complain of. Perhaps I am lucky and won the genetic lottery. Or maybe, just maybe, I know what the f**k i'm doing with my own bio-engineering of my health and vitality. If what I am doing is working out for me, I  see no reason to change it.

The notion that a healthy person can benefit others by accepting medical risk has no basis in either science or morality.

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« Reply #130 on: April 27, 2021, 08:05:38 PM »
If the vaccinated are not actually protected from the unvaccinated, what in the Hell is the vaccine for?

GOOD POINT! These vaccines do not offer sterilizing immunity. This is why they can potentiate worse strains of the virus in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated. This was the problem with the original Salk polio vaccine that was, fortunately, caught in time with the Sabin vaccine. That famous photo of all those people in iron lungs is the Cutter Incident. They all got polio from the Salk vaccine.

The problem with the covid-19 vaccines is that they really do not work. Worse, they come with the risk of ADE (antibody dependent enhancement) reactions of which coronaviruses are notorious for. There is a reason why, in the past, non-sterilizing vaccines were considered medically unsound.

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« Reply #131 on: April 27, 2021, 08:16:44 PM »
I am not completely against vaccines.

If the John Ringo Bird Flu showed up with its 60% mortality rate, of course I would get the vaccine, if it were available. Same for the Chtorran plagues.

If I get bit by a dog and I am not 100% certain it is not rabid, I will go for the rabis shots, even though they can have rather nasty side effects.

My point is that all medical intervention involves risk. That is why the decision to undergo such risk must be a purely personal decision and one made exclusively on the basis of self-protection.

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« Reply #132 on: April 27, 2021, 08:45:42 PM »
I'll openly admit, I'm not 100% sure the vaccine I took, along with 200 million Americans in 100% safe.

credible info to debate.

lol... a tard, who admittedly has no idea what he is talking about... is now prepared to debate the matter.

but of course u r.

I've posted an avalanche of evidence on this very forum that refutes fauci's deceptive narrative, and illuminates the dangers of this experimental technological cocktail of shit, and will continue to do so.

u r too stupid to comprehend reality, and that is fine with me.

enjoy the fruits of your defective cognitive function, phaggot.

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« Reply #133 on: April 27, 2021, 08:47:39 PM »
You're correct but the "advertised" part has 2 sides.

The pro Trump, right, tended to "downplay" how bad covid really was.
and
The liberal left, tended to exaggerate the risk of covid.
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/10/24/Politics-key-to-views-on-COVID-19-in-US-poll-shows/5131603490177/

For many,  reality is distorted by their political views.

What if Trump hadn't downplayed COVID-19 and he took it seriously from the start? Would this have lessened the degree of panic that ensued later when enough people got really sick and very often died? Or maybe folks are inherently skeptical of anything they don't understand which means, this pandemic was destined to play out exactly as it has been.

Since Trump's followers will follow him wherever he takes them, including over a cliff. If he'd have gone all out on pandemic, strongly encouraging/mandating sheltering in place, mask wearing and vaccinations, would conservatives have followed suit? Likewise,  would liberals have pooh poohed all of those recommendations be the ones who are the antivaxxers, anti mask wearers and in complete denial about the seriousness of COVID?

These days there seems to be no middle ground regardless of what the issue is. People are either all in or all out. The truth of most matters lay somewhere in the middle and not at the extremes. These days, the pendulum swings wildly from one wall to the next hitting that surface with a very loud clang and gaining momentum rather than losing it.

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« Reply #134 on: April 27, 2021, 09:01:31 PM »
Because I'm in a low risk age group, in a low risk environment, and am healthy, I'm content to let more data accrue. It's not at all clear to me that it's a slam dunk, that the various vaccines are all equally good products which sell themselves without coercive tactics to increase adoption. The efficacy and side effects of each are still in question at this early stage, so declaring any and all of them to be the greatest thing ever seems premature to me.

Hey, maybe they're all equally great products and it'll turn out I should have just taken a shot ASAP, but there's simply not any long term data upon which to form that conclusion.

Your circumstances are different than mine. You are old. You are fat. You are sedentary and can't sharpen a chainsaw. You read the risk/benefit differently than I do. I'm fine with you choosing to take the shot. If asked why I'm not taking it, I'll give my reasons but I'm not trying to persuade you. You do you. I do me. Which is as it should be, right? Not me making you do something you don't want to do. Right?

What kind of a single fuck a vaccinated person would give about me being unvaccinated is a mystery to me. You don't need to see my certificate before I sit next to you on the airplane becasue you're protected now. So if you believe in the vaccine, let everyone who wants it get it, then let's open up the world, take a plane to the cruise ship and go out to dinner. Unless, of course, you aren't protected, which kind of erodes the case in favor of vaccination, no?

And let's not forget everyone saying it's safe... until there is a recall.

I'm all fairness, the vaccines that Trump created were safe. The J&J came out during Harris Administration.

Either way, we're supposed to trust the government who lies to us all the time?


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« Reply #135 on: April 27, 2021, 09:02:12 PM »
We're going to be hearing why we don't have a right to refuse. That's coming. I think it'll be more or less what Howard layed out.

You're hurting people by not taking it because mutations.
You're not allowed to hurt people.
Therefore you have to take it.

The mistaken counter-argument will be to deny the particular claims, namely that mutations arise and could harm the vaccinated. This position agrees with the premise of the mandatory vaccination argument: That the foundation of individual rights is the benefit which they afford the community, and those rights are canceled whenever they harm the community, which is incorrect although I admit it's a seductive position.

I don't want to sound like one of those guys but... it really is beginning to look a lot like communism. Couple that with the frankfurt theory fracturing of western society, and the delegitimization of information...yes, both have been around for awhile, but the increased amplitude is hard not to notice.

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« Reply #136 on: April 27, 2021, 09:07:57 PM »
We're going to be hearing why we don't have a right to refuse. That's coming. I think it'll be more or less what Howard layed out.

You're hurting people by not taking it because mutations.
You're not allowed to hurt people.
Therefore you have to take it.

The mistaken counter-argument will be to deny the particular claims, namely that mutations arise and could harm the vaccinated. This position agrees with the premise of the mandatory vaccination argument: That the foundation of individual rights is the benefit which they afford the community, and those rights are canceled whenever they harm the community, which is incorrect although I admit it's a seductive position.

I don't want to sound like one of those guys but... it really is beginning to look a lot like communism. Couple that with the frankfurt theory fracturing of western society, and the delegitimization of information...yes, both have been around for awhile, but the increased amplitude is hard not to notice.

This. I will absolutely refuse to get it. Why you ask? I have little chance of anything serious happening to me.

I'll print myself up a card if necessary. This shit is straight up communism.

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« Reply #137 on: April 27, 2021, 09:15:49 PM »
To:

Your meat is hurting my meat.
Therefore, I have a right to control your meat.

Guess my unsophisticated counter-argument goes:

No, you don't. It's way more mine than yours.

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« Reply #138 on: April 27, 2021, 09:19:34 PM »
I'll print myself up a card if necessary.

you will not be able to do that

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Re: Ted Nugent former covid-19 denier ,gets Covid
« Reply #139 on: April 27, 2021, 09:27:44 PM »
you will not be able to do that

There's a lot of information online on how to make/obtain one, but I realize it may not work everywhere.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccination-cards-fake-scammers-fraud/

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« Reply #140 on: April 28, 2021, 12:59:16 AM »
And let's not forget everyone saying it's safe... until there is a recall.

I'm all fairness, the vaccines that Trump created were safe. The J&J came out during Harris Administration.

Either way, we're supposed to trust the government who lies to us all the time?

There is no reason to think there is a relationship between the safety of vaccines and who holds a particular political office. Presidents and Vice Presidents aren't scientists. However, if they are smart, they listen to what the experts have to say.

Someone else who isn't particularly smart when speaking during an address to the people on National television say, "A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."  ::)

Oh right, later this person said they were being sarcastic....right.

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« Reply #141 on: April 28, 2021, 02:37:07 AM »
You're correct but the "advertised" part has 2 sides.

The pro Trump, right, tended to "downplay" how bad covid really was.
and
The liberal left, tended to exaggerate the risk of covid.
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/10/24/Politics-key-to-views-on-COVID-19-in-US-poll-shows/5131603490177/

For many,  reality is distorted by their political views.

COVID is 99.73% survivable for people under 70. Most of us on here get our information from scientific studies, not news or political websites.

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« Reply #142 on: April 28, 2021, 03:07:50 AM »
Coercing people into any medical intervention, wahtsoever, without proper informed consent is a crime against humanity, and people were hanged for this crime in the Nuremburg Trials following the defeat of Nazi Germany. Coercion includes not just legal force, but any social or economic manipulation applied to the individual as well. It is worth considering that vaccines are the only products manufactured in the U.S. where the manufacturers have complete immunity from liability. Not even other medical compounds (for example, Vioxx) have this immunity from liability. This means that if I take a vaccine now, and end up with any kind of autoimmune disorder a few years down the road, I have no legal recourse nor any possibility of compensation whatsoever. This reason alone is good enough reason to avoid any vaccinations, whatsoever.

No liability, no mandates.

I am 58 years old, and have a physique better than probably 97% of all of the young guys out there. I do not take any prescription meds whatsoever, and do not feel any "aches or pains" or any of the other crap that most people of my generation complain of. Perhaps I am lucky and won the genetic lottery. Or maybe, just maybe, I know what the f**k i'm doing with my own bio-engineering of my health and vitality. If what I am doing is working out for me, I  see no reason to change it.

The notion that a healthy person can benefit others by accepting medical risk has no basis in either science or morality.

People get sick because of pollution and wrong foods. There are no cures that medicine can provide besides helping in emergency cases. It's mostly a snakeoil industry.
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« Reply #143 on: April 28, 2021, 05:32:52 AM »
Howard is saying it protects from current covid but not from variants which emerge from the unvaccinated.

Seems like the conclusion would be "Therefore you don't have the right to refuse to take it." Although he stopped short of saying that.

I asked him if that is so because I don't want to put words in his mouth but he hasn't responded yet.

As has been said here, mutations occur in people with compromised immune systems, vis a vis fat fucks. Why hasn’t the Government called out the obese telling them to exercise and lose weight but feels free to tell healthy people to get vaccinated?

Answer: Because the whole thing is a fucking fraud.

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« Reply #144 on: April 28, 2021, 05:42:11 AM »
From the headline, you’d think the guidelines are just for vaccinated people but if you actually look at what the CDC says the outdoor guidelines are the same for unvaccinated.

I could not possibly hate The NY Times more.

C.D.C. Eases Outdoor Mask Guidance for Vaccinated Americans


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/27/us/politics/coronavirus-masks-outdoors.html


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« Reply #146 on: April 28, 2021, 07:04:42 AM »
Howard is saying it protects from current covid but not from variants which emerge from the unvaccinated.

Seems like the conclusion would be "Therefore you don't have the right to refuse to take it." Although he stopped short of saying that.

I asked him if that is so because I don't want to put words in his mouth but he hasn't responded yet.

Sorry 'bout that, but I didn't realize you wanted to me to address any legal requirements for getting a vaccine.

To me, this is simple,  but to others might sound compromised:

Like most previous vaccines, you're only REQUIRED to get one if you attend public school , join the military, work in healthcare, etc
 
You required to have a  license to drive a car ,operate a business , go hunting or fishing, etc.

I  don't agree with those liberals  against proper ID laws for voting.  I may be wrong, but at least I'm consistant  ;)


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« Reply #147 on: April 28, 2021, 07:45:29 AM »
Don't take it personally, man. I'm not criticizing your own reasoning. It's pretty clear that you're just repeating what you've heard with regard to unvaxed people producing mutations.

And while you might not agree with mandatory vaxing, surely you can see that's where that line of reasoning goes.

If you don't support it, it would be illuminating to hear why, since you seem to accept that unvaccinated people present a danger to everyone.

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« Reply #148 on: April 28, 2021, 07:51:33 AM »
Sorry 'bout that, but I didn't realize you wanted to me to address any legal requirements for getting a vaccine.

To me, this is simple,  but to others might sound compromised:

Like most previous vaccines, you're only REQUIRED to get one if you attend public school , join the military, work in healthcare, etc
 
You required to have a  license to drive a car ,operate a business , go hunting or fishing, etc.

I  don't agree with those liberals  against proper ID laws for voting.  I may be wrong, but at least I'm consistant  ;)

This site is far better when you are not posting.   

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« Reply #149 on: April 28, 2021, 07:56:36 AM »
There's a reason to avoid the vaccines:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242205