Thoughts on homeschooling

[tommywishbone]

That's too bad- I was considering asking you to teach a class on how to do time in prison. Oh well.

Be happy to help, but it won't be at home. Plus sadly, nobody goes to the joint anymore. The system got soft.

Stay cool my friend.

[sync pulse]

Home schoolers and "Southern Baptist Convention 144 hour Creationist Imbeciles" are two sides of the same coin largely...

[MCWAY]

You can do all that without having to homeschool.  Have them go to school to learn and interact with others, and reinforce what they covered that day at home.  Trust in the values & critical thinking skills you've instilled in them.

I'm sure in theory homeschooling can be done well.  I don't think most Americans are up to the task

You can do that. My kids went to private school before my wife and I started homeschooling them. The older two returned to private school (one for his senior year, the other for her junior and senior years).

Plus, there's the little matter of MONEY. For those who want a higher quality education for their kids but can't afford private school (and my family was in that boat for a while), homeschooling is a great option.

As stated earlier, there are these things called co-ops, which all of my kids have attended at some point. Homeschool kids, by and large, interact with other kids there. When we lived in Virginia, my kids were a part of two co-ops: Williamsburg Classical Academy and Homeschoolers for Christ. They made friends and had lots of fun. My son was too young to attend the former at the time. But, I let him play with the older kids (and the siblings of other students who were his age) after school.

That's why the whole coronavirus shutdown thing didn't phase us. Going to school two or three days a week was standard fare to us. And we didn't do the virtual thing (except for the last month of the 2019-2020 school year, when 95% of regular co-op was done).

This whole notion that homeschooled kids are shut out from all other society is (with rare exception) ludicrous. Look at the activities and groups some of us homeschool parents here listed:

- Tae Kwon Do
- Ballet
- 4H
- In His Steps (a Christian Dance club)
- Homeschoolers For Christ
- Soccer
- AWANA

These are just a handful of things that homeschool kids do with other homeschool kids. They are HARDLY shut away from other people.

[MCWAY]

Home schoolers and "Southern Baptist Convention 144 hour Creationist Imbeciles" are two sides of the same coin largely...

Tell that to Hypertrophy. Even secular homeschoolers admit that the "faith-based" materials they've used to homeschool their kids is quite effective. From the secular homeschool site to which I linked earlier:

"So depending on the resource, I may just have to not do the Bible lesson that is included but the rest could be totally suitable. Or, I have to basically reword and rework how the entire subject is approached.

As usual, comments like yours have more to do with anti-Christian bias instead of actual concern about education.

[bhank]

Tell that to Hypertrophy. Even secular homeschoolers admit that the "faith-based" materials they've used to homeschool their kids is quite effective. From the secular homeschool site to which I linked earlier:

"So depending on the resource, I may just have to not do the Bible lesson that is included but the rest could be totally suitable. Or, I have to basically reword and rework how the entire subject is approached.

As usual, comments like yours have more to do with anti-Christian bias instead of actual concern about education.

It is not anti Christian bias it is science vs superstition and made up stories bias

[MCWAY]

It is not anti Christian bias it is science vs superstition and made up stories bias

There is no "science vs. superstition".

I know that firsthand, as my degree is in engineering and I (and my wife) have picked the curriculum for our kids.

It's been some time since I mentioned this. But, when I was forced to attend public school in 10th grade (second semester), I used the Creation-based biology book I got from my previous school, instead of the biology book I got issued at public school.

I compared the two and the Creation-based book was easier to read, far more thorough, and contained more scientific data. The ONLY time which I can recall any mention of age of the earth was in the first chapter or two, regarding prokaryotic vs eukaryotic cells.

That's it.
 
Incidentally, when it was test time, most of the kids who didn't want to talk to me suddenly had their desks squished next to mine.

Your comments have been about kids being isolated and shown an animus to Christian beliefs (i.e. the potshot at VOD's daughter's saying her bedtime prayers). Are we to believe those prayers prevent her from learning E=MC²?

So, my criticism of those comments stand.

 

[The Scott]

Says her prayers before bed nothing like teaching them superstition instead of science this is the problem with homeschooling

And you? You have a BSPHD.

Bro Science Piled High 'n' Deep.

Go pick on some muslimes, fuckwit and see where that lands you.  Of course you may just enjoy getting buttfucked by stinky arabs...

[The Scott]

Most homeschooling parents are nuclear families with dad working and mom staying at home. A handful are vice-versa. Or one parent works full-time; the other works part-time.

The coronavirus had virtually no effect on our family. Since they were doing a co-op, were already on spring break, and were nearly finished with the 2019-2020 school year, we simply ended up teaching them 5 days a week (which we'd done before) instead of 3.

For 2020-2021, they went to another (and better) school two days a week, as did everyone there. Again, virtually no adjustment was needed on our end.


Or any minority that doesn't blame all his problems on the white man gets called a "sellout". Try being black and actually having manners, being courteous, getting good grades, or speaking decent grammar. You'll be accused of "acting white" in a heartbeat.

And don't you DARE come to the conclusion that, if you screw up in school, screw around and knock up/get knocked up, and have kids before you can legally drink, you'll be PO'.....no matter what color you are.

True.  Reeves spoke of this more than once.

[sync pulse]

As usual, comments like yours have more to do with anti-Christian bias instead of actual concern about education.

Excuse me, but no...I was raised a Southern Baptist and saw how clueless they were...Presently I have been taking instruction off and on in Roman Catholicism...(my mother's side of the family were Roman Catholic and her parents were from Austria.)  A Cathodic priest formulated the "Big Bang Theory"... I AM a believer.

[Primemuscle]

My kids are homeschooled.  My 5 year old speaks two languages, writes in decent cursive, reads chapter books by herself, has achieved three belts in TKD, and does multiplication.    She shoots a 22LR bolt action rifle, takes ballet classes, plays soccer, rides a Razor MX350 dirt bike, is raising chickens and is part of local 4H club.  She also says her prayers before bed, pledges allegiance to the flag every morning with her hand on her heart, knows there's only two genders and that communism is one of the greatest evils to ever happen to the world.

She's also really into Scooby-doo 

Your five year old must be a super 'whiz kid'. Glad you included the fact that she's into Scooby-doo. Otherwise, it seems like she's too busy with these accomplishments to just enjoy life as a kid. My guess is she doesn't care as much about the evils of communism as you do. But then, she's at a very impressionable age and most likely idolizes her dad. So, what ever you say to her is golden.

When I was 4 years old, I spoke three languages, English, German and French. Not that I was all that intelligent. I lived with my French aunt and uncle in Germany where I attended a German preschool. After my time with them, my English was lacking. The best time to learn other languages is when you're young.

[Humble Narcissist]

You can do all that without having to homeschool.  Have them go to school to learn and interact with others, and reinforce what they covered that day at home.  Trust in the values & critical thinking skills you've instilled in them.

I'm sure in theory homeschooling can be done well.  I don't think most Americans are up to the task

The whole "learn to interact with others" myth dies fast when you actually see home schooled children in public.  The ones I've seen are much better behaved and communicate with adults much better than those from public school.  Our schooling system groups children by age and gives the "one size fits all" approach.  It is not healthy to only be around one age group for over a decade and it's not how the world works when they get out into society.  Most adults who have traumatic pasts got them from specifically dealing with other kids at school.

[MCWAY]

Excuse me, but no...I was raised a Southern Baptist and saw how clueless they were...Presently I have been taking instruction off and on in Roman Catholicism...(my mother's side of the family were Roman Catholic and her parents were from Austria.)  A Cathodic priest formulated the "Big Bang Theory"... I AM a believer.

Thank you for making my point. You asserted that most homeschoolers are "Southern Baptist Convention 144 hour Creationist imbeciles".

One could assert you have an anti-Protestant bias, to be more precise. But, the mere fact that you confined homeschooling education as merely being focused on Creation pretty much backs what I said.

[MCWAY]

The whole "learn to interact with others" myth dies fast when you actually see home schooled children in public.  The ones I've seen are much better behaved and communicate with adults much better than those from public school.  Our schooling system groups children by age and gives the "one size fits all" approach.  It is not healthy to only be around one age group for over a decade and it's not how the world works when they get out into society.  Most adults who have traumatic pasts got them from specifically dealing with other kids at school.

That also happened at smaller private schools, particularly ones that are K-12 (as is the one where my kids attend).

Plus, it comes in handy when my teenage daughter has to give her little brother a ride home. 

[MCWAY]

Another type of homeschool family that doesn't get as much press is those where kids of single-parent homes get some of their schooling from their grandparents (usually their maternal ones).

I've met a few senior citizen couples who are there to pick up curriculum for their grandkids and they're really engaged in getting the items they need.

Plus, many of them donate curriculum they've used in the past. Actually, a lot of homeschool parents do that, period. My wife and I have received a lot of used books from local families, whose kids were older and completed grades that our kids were just entering. And my wife is donating what we've used to our friends with kids younger than ours are now.

Trust me. You can save a lot of money. Usually the most sought-after curricula are Shurley English/Grammar and Abeka Math. Sonshine Math is also a hot-ticket item; but Abeka is king in the arithmetic department.

Of course, the best part is that you mix and match, especially if you're at conferences such as FPEA and HEAV. You don't have to get every single subject from one vendor. You can have, for example, Abeka Math, Shurley English, Apologia Sciences (Biology, Physics, Chemistry, etc.) and so on.

And, if the expos have clearances sales (and you still have older media players), you can REALLY CLEAN UP. I saw an entire Spanish curriculum on cassettes for $5. But, my daughter had already completed her foreign language requirement in school. But, for my son I got the entire Schoolhouse Rock sets of VHS tapes for $1. 

[ThisisOverload]

The whole "learn to interact with others" myth dies fast when you actually see home schooled children in public.  The ones I've seen are much better behaved and communicate with adults much better than those from public school.  Our schooling system groups children by age and gives the "one size fits all" approach.  It is not healthy to only be around one age group for over a decade and it's not how the world works when they get out into society.  Most adults who have traumatic pasts got them from specifically dealing with other kids at school.

Very true.

A lot has to do with where you live too. The schools in the rich white parts of town fair better.

The last place i lived in Houston was 72% Hispanic, the schools were trash.

All my neighbors home schooled or had kids in private schools if they could afford it.

I remember going to a parent/teacher conference with my neighbor, to talk about infrastructure improvements to the school.

The other parents were all ghetto ass spicks who just wanted to complain about everything.

The kids at this school were mostly thugs, many had been in and out of detention centers.

The top 5% were all Asians and whites, they only made it because they had good families.

I remember asking my neighbor about his daughters friends in high school.

He told me she didn't have any. All her sports and extra curricular activities were in other organizations.

The kids were shitheads, more interested in smoking weed and causing trouble.

Why would i want my kids in a school like this?

My family has dozens on kids homeschooled. They are all articulate and do well in public.

It's not hard to get your homeschooled kids into social programs with other good kids, it just takes effort.

My cousin was homeschooled all his life. Now he's a neurosurgeon and runs several different debate classes at the local college. He hosts trivial nights at local bars and restaurants.

Seems to be alright.

[BBSSchlemiel]

Another type of homeschool family that doesn't get as much press is those where kids of single-parent homes get some of their schooling from their grandparents (usually their maternal ones).

I've met a few senior citizen couples who are there to pick up curriculum for their grandkids and they're really engaged in getting the items they need.

Plus, many of them donate curriculum they've used in the past. Actually, a lot of homeschool parents do that, period. My wife and I have received a lot of used books from local families, whose kids were older and completed grades that our kids were just entering. And my wife is donating what we've used to our friends with kids younger than ours are now.

Trust me. You can save a lot of money. Usually the most sought-after curricula are Shurley English/Grammar and Abeka Math. Sonshine Math is also a hot-ticket item; but Abeka is king in the arithmetic department.

Of course, the best part is that you mix and match, especially if you're at conferences such as FPEA and HEAV. You don't have to get every single subject from one vendor. You can have, for example, Abeka Math, Shurley English, Apologia Sciences (Biology, Physics, Chemistry, etc.) and so on.

And, if the expos have clearances sales (and you still have older media players), you can REALLY CLEAN UP. I saw an entire Spanish curriculum on cassettes for $5. But, my daughter had already completed her foreign language requirement in school. But, for my son I got the entire Schoolhouse Rock sets of VHS tapes for $1. 

Thanks for the info and thoughtful posts. I will look into what you wrote about here.

[Body-Buildah]

My kids would not be going to a public school these days, unless it was in a state that bans CRT teachings.
(Training kids to hate themselves, while worshipping foreign scum and low-life thugs (AKA libturd heroes), no thx.
Luckily that wasnt a thing when they were in school. (many moons ago).

And many states are now fighting back against the insane libturdz.

[bhank]

School is about learning to deal with the good and bad kids. The good and bad teachers do you think every boss you ever have is going to be a genius?? hell no there are going to be idiots in positions of authority in your life and assholes at your job. You need to learn to deal with these kind of people without your mom and dad.

[Body-Buildah]

School is about learning to deal with the good and bad kids. The good and bad teachers do you think every boss you ever have is going to be a genius?? hell no there are going to be idiots in positions of authority in your life and assholes at your job. You need to learn to deal with these kind of people without your mom and dad.

Feel free to send your kids to the commie brain-washing.
I wouldn't do it. Little kids dont have a say against their commie teachers, if they do, they are kicked out. (And labeled 'racisssssssssst').

[MCWAY]

School is about learning to deal with the good and bad kids. The good and bad teachers do you think every boss you ever have is going to be a genius?? hell no there are going to be idiots in positions of authority in your life and assholes at your job. You need to learn to deal with these kind of people without your mom and dad.

School is about education, period. Sending your kids to a facility which is little more than Sodom and Gommorah with some books is patently absurd.

The teachers have almost no authority; they can't discipline the kids, without the parent(s) going off on them vs. controlling the monsters those parent(s) sent there.

When there are idiots on the job, THEY CAN BE FIRED. Try getting rid of a sorry teacher or a problem child at a public school these days.

That's why many states have "school choice". If you want to send YOUR kids to these government-funded bastions of education suckage and disciplinary decay, KNOCK YOURSELF OUT!!

As for me and mine, it's either private school or homeschool. My kids have NEVER stepped foot inside a public school, no matter where we lived. And, God willing, they NEVER will.

[Body-Buildah]

School is about education, period. Sending your kids to a facility which is little more than Sodom and Gommorah with some books is patently absurd.

The teachers have almost no authority; they can't discipline the kids, without the parent(s) going off on them vs. controlling the monsters those parent(s) sent there.

When there are idiots on the job, THEY CAN BE FIRED. Try getting rid of a sorry teacher or a problem child at a public school these days.

That's why many states have "school choice". If you want to send YOUR kids to these government-funded bastions of education sucakage and disciplinary decay, KNOCK YOURSELF OUT!!

As for me and mine, it's either private school or homeschool. My kids have NEVER stepped foot inside a public school, no matter where we lived. And, God willing, they NEVER will.

"Great", "common sense" post reported!!  ^^^

 

[Megalodon]

[MCWAY]

With homeschooling/private schools, you do get to know your teachers; and you know the curriculum.

There's no book or course that gets taught about which you have no awareness. You either know up front what's being taught; or you pick the books yourself and teach the respective subjects.

You certainly don't have to worry about educators, not wanting to teach (but still wanting to get paid) because of things like coronavirus.

[IroNat]

Excuse me, but no...I was raised a Southern Baptist and saw how clueless they were...Presently I have been taking instruction off and on in Roman Catholicism...(my mother's side of the family were Roman Catholic and her parents were from Austria.)  A Cathodic priest formulated the "Big Bang Theory"... I AM a believer.

Catholicism is just another religious cult but it is much larger and older.

It's core beliefs are illogical and absurd if you look at them objectively.  This is not to say the philosophy of Jesus is so.

Catholicism has a very violent history of oppression, particularly in countries where it is or was the state religion.

Pedophilia and general corruption have been rampant in Catholicism for centuries.

The stronghold of Catholicism is now South America where the population is naive, uneducated and blindly obedient to higher authority.

[Megalodon]