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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #275 on: August 15, 2021, 11:17:53 AM »
It would reveal more to know a BBers blood pressure than his AAS stack, imo.

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #276 on: August 15, 2021, 12:21:00 PM »
You sure he said 500mg after his heart attack? I'm almost positive he didn't say that? I want to say it was 100mg, maybe 200mg for a while but he didn't say 500mg anywhere from what I saw. You could tell his heart issues had him rattled, I mean part of his heart was dead and not moving.
Nolvadex isn't an aromatase inhibitor, it's actually an estrogen so it doesn't affect cholesterol the same as an AI. But it does possibly have that blood clot side.

From what I gather estrogen is actually protective of the CV system and more and more HRT docs don't touch it, let it go as high as it does naturally. Estrogen is good.

Speaking of high dosages when you get older, I have a good friend who is 57 years old and his baseline self-administred HRT (lol) is 1,000mg. Then he adds stuff cyclically. Say 600mg of Deca or a  gram of EQ, or a couple of Anadrols or all of these at the same time. He just told me he got off Anadrol - had been on for over a year. His hematocrit did run high but otherwise his blood work has been ok. But this isn't safe of course.

After the heart attack he should have came off EVERYTHING, not even “trt” that would be the smart  thing to do but we all know bbers….

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #277 on: August 15, 2021, 01:37:56 PM »
After the heart attack he should have came off EVERYTHING, not even “trt” that would be the smart  thing to do but we all know bbers….

His friend, a cardiologist, says you don't want to go off if on TRT. So he was getting this type of advice.

Talks about it at the beginning:


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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #278 on: August 15, 2021, 02:44:34 PM »
His friend, a cardiologist, says you don't want to go off if on TRT. So he was getting this type of advice.

Talks about it at the beginning:



Christ... It's really weird watching that again now...  :-\


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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #279 on: August 15, 2021, 03:24:11 PM »
Christ... It's really weird watching that again now...  :-\


Just watched the vid- what struck me is the line "you can die any second" according to one of his doctors.

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #280 on: August 15, 2021, 03:59:15 PM »
Dead man walking.

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #281 on: August 15, 2021, 04:00:47 PM »
His friend, a cardiologist, says you don't want to go off if on TRT. So he was getting this type of advice.

Talks about it at the beginning:



Isn’t that the same “doctor” that got rimmed online? I recall the cardiologist friend he was seeing is an idiot

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #282 on: August 15, 2021, 04:31:06 PM »
The ECG result, Should have retired at that point and got the defibrillator pace maker put in, Real shame nice guy who shared this type of information that others can learn from has sadly passed away.


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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #283 on: August 15, 2021, 04:53:18 PM »
Don’t know what he was doing in terms of trt doses but one obvious thing that sticks out was his weight.  It didn’t look like he downsized much.  At 5’6 and 215 or so pounds he was in the obese category.  That’s a risk factor for blood clots.  Dropping down to a much healthier weight should have been a no brainer.  Maybe he was struggling with bigorexia.

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #284 on: August 15, 2021, 05:04:45 PM »
Don’t know what he was doing in terms of trt doses but one obvious thing that sticks out was his weight.  It didn’t look like he downsized much.  At 5’6 and 215 or so pounds he was in the obese category.  That’s a risk factor for blood clots.  Dropping down to a much healthier weight should have been a no brainer.  Maybe he was struggling with bigorexia.

According to Matt C he is 5’4.284957

I’ve seen him in person, he’s a bit shorter than branch who is 5’5


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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #285 on: August 15, 2021, 05:38:45 PM »
Small-man-big-o-rexia syndrome

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #286 on: August 15, 2021, 06:11:30 PM »
According to Matt C he is 5’4.284957

I’ve seen him in person, he’s a bit shorter than branch who is 5’5
at 5’5 215 pounds his BMI was 35.8.  Not good!

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #287 on: August 16, 2021, 03:13:12 AM »
His friend, a cardiologist, says you don't want to go off if on TRT. So he was getting this type of advice.

Talks about it at the beginning:



It would seem to me that keeping your testosterone levels, as well as all hormone levels, within the normal reference range would be healthier than having them outside the normal reference range whether it's too high or too low. Testosterone is not inherently bad for you or conducive to heart problems. It's a natural hormone that your body needs to function optimally.

I would guess that John's natural testosterone levels would be quite below the normal, healthy, reference range and continuing TRT would be a good idea.

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #288 on: August 16, 2021, 08:23:41 AM »
It would seem to me that keeping your testosterone levels, as well as all hormone levels, within the normal reference range would be healthier than having them outside the normal reference range whether it's too high or too low. Testosterone is not inherently bad for you or conducive to heart problems. It's a natural hormone that your body needs to function optimally.

I would guess that John's natural testosterone levels would be quite below the normal, healthy, reference range and continuing TRT would be a good idea.

Seems that way with all hormones. Want normal range. High T3 and low T3 can also cause heart issues.

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #289 on: August 16, 2021, 09:14:53 AM »

Just watched the vid- what struck me is the line "you can die any second" according to one of his doctors.
So can everyone else. Every breathe you take.

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #290 on: August 16, 2021, 10:08:21 AM »
It would seem to me that keeping your testosterone levels, as well as all hormone levels, within the normal reference range would be healthier than having them outside the normal reference range whether it's too high or too low. Testosterone is not inherently bad for you or conducive to heart problems. It's a natural hormone that your body needs to function optimally.

I would guess that John's natural testosterone levels would be quite below the normal, healthy, reference range and continuing TRT would be a good idea.

That's what I'm saying but these fellas here say he should have gone hypogonadal. It's not an obvious correct course of action in my mind. Low testosterone is bad for the cardiovascular system.

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #291 on: August 16, 2021, 10:09:55 AM »
john did not look good in his videos he was always red,  and looked tired, he just couldnt accept the fact that he couldnt be a big muscle man anymore, he should have went off gear and slimmed down to a healthy 170

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #292 on: August 16, 2021, 11:14:51 AM »
john did not look good in his videos he was always red,  and looked tired, he just couldnt accept the fact that he couldnt be a big muscle man anymore, he should have went off gear and slimmed down to a healthy 170

This is it.

I doubt he could go off TRT since he probably couldn't produce natural test anymore.

He should have went to normal dosage and dropped weight.

Who would watch his youtube channel though if he did that?

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #293 on: August 16, 2021, 12:14:50 PM »
Either way whether he should have went cold Turkey or “trt” he’s not going to come back to life

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #294 on: August 16, 2021, 02:04:55 PM »
This is it.

I doubt he could go off TRT since he probably couldn't produce natural test anymore.

He should have went to normal dosage and dropped weight.

Who would watch his youtube channel though if he did that?


great point iron, thats how fucked up this industry is,  say he did do that and dropped to like 170 ripped he could do a whole video series on it,. but this is a bizarre industry people want to see the freak show,  and since his channel was his main income he would have lost money either way, he didnt make shit competing. this will happen to alot of body builders on youtube, larry wheels is a prime example, he will either wind up crippled or die from a stroke or heart attack eventually.   

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #295 on: August 16, 2021, 02:38:50 PM »

great point iron, thats how fucked up this industry is,  say he did do that and dropped to like 170 ripped he could do a whole video series on it,. but this is a bizarre industry people want to see the freak show,  and since his channel was his main income he would have lost money either way, he didnt make shit competing. this will happen to alot of body builders on youtube, larry wheels is a prime example, he will either wind up crippled or die from a stroke or heart attack eventually.

Tbh, no body really cared how he looked, it was his knowledge on training and dieting that people were looking at. His channel was very knowledgeable and he was very detailed. No one was watching him lift heavy poundages, he could have slimmed down and he still wouldn’t have lost followers, he’s already established

Whether I agree with Charles glass or not, people aren’t watching his videos on his physique either, it’s his training, and his detailed explanation on various exercises, form and his unconventional style

Guys like Ronnie, Larry wheels, O hearn, were different, people watched their videos for the lifts, no one cared for Ronnie talking, doubt he knows anything about dieting or training unless it was told by him from chad or Brian Dobson

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #296 on: August 16, 2021, 03:18:05 PM »
This is it.

I doubt he could go off TRT since he probably couldn't produce natural test anymore.

He should have went to normal dosage and dropped weight.

Who would watch his youtube channel though if he did that?

Agreed.  No one is going to watch expert body building advice from a 170# has been.  It’s just not gonna happen to any significant degree.  It’s video: rightly or wrongly people want to SEE and what they want to see is someone bigger, more vascular, and more shredded than they themselves are.  John was not organically a big man.  Without the supplements he would have been tiny.   Tiny = change the channel and watch someone else.  He knew that.  Unfortunately he was mentally invested in being big and simply could not give it up no matter the cost.  :'(

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #297 on: August 16, 2021, 04:02:01 PM »
Agreed.  No one is going to watch expert body building advice from a 170# has been.  It’s just not gonna happen to any significant degree.  It’s video: rightly or wrongly people want to SEE and what they want to see is someone bigger, more vascular, and more shredded than they themselves are.  John was not organically a big man.  Without the supplements he would have been tiny.   Tiny = change the channel and watch someone else.  He knew that.  Unfortunately he was mentally invested in being big and simply could not give it up no matter the cost.  :'(

Not true. John already built up a huge following, he was informative, and knowledgeable. Nobody was watching for his lifts

People watch Charles Glass all the time, he looks barely 150 pounds

If you built up a following, and have great knowledge, and content, you’ll go real far

Ronnie, Levrone, Larry, O Hearn, that’s a different story, people only watch them mainly for their lifts

Thought you guys were smarter than that

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #298 on: August 16, 2021, 05:19:08 PM »
Not true. John already built up a huge following, he was informative, and knowledgeable. Nobody was watching for his lifts

People watch Charles Glass all the time, he looks barely 150 pounds

If you built up a following, and have great knowledge, and content, you’ll go real far

Ronnie, Levrone, Larry, O Hearn, that’s a different story, people only watch them mainly for their lifts

Thought you guys were smarter than that

We disagree.  Without consequence.

Do you disagree that Meadows was mentally invested in being big and could not give it up no matter the cost?  That is the decision that had consequence.

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Re: RIP John Meadows
« Reply #299 on: August 16, 2021, 05:21:32 PM »

great point iron, thats how fucked up this industry is,  say he did do that and dropped to like 170 ripped he could do a whole video series on it,. but this is a bizarre industry people want to see the freak show,  and since his channel was his main income he would have lost money either way, he didnt make shit competing. this will happen to alot of body builders on youtube, larry wheels is a prime example, he will either wind up crippled or die from a stroke or heart attack eventually.

were you a personal friend of his (I wasn't)
I'm just wondering how you know that his YT channel was his "main income"
The guy had a website which had a subscription section and he appears to have been "coaching"  a lot of people too.  He also owned a supplement company.

Every time I think about this guy I just feel so bad for his kids.  My father died a few years ago when I was over 50 and it was tough.  I can't imagine how hard it must be to be a young kid and lose a parent