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Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« on: August 28, 2021, 05:56:08 AM »
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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2021, 06:06:07 AM »
Someone taught him his drug regime or he would have fried his insides by 18 yrs old.  Come on, Shawn.  Are you talking diet or drugs? Anybody can figure out how to lift.

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2021, 06:29:53 AM »
Gurus are code for steroid drug dealers.

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2021, 06:43:03 AM »
Gurus are code for steroid drug dealers.

Same thing with "bodybuilding coaches".

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2021, 07:15:52 AM »
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Shawn is absolutely correct here.  It's getting ridiculous how many deaths there have been, and for what a plastic trophy.

It's great that he's calling people out by NAME!


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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2021, 07:27:23 AM »
Gurus are code for steroid drug dealers.

This has always been my assumption as well.

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2021, 07:41:48 AM »
The word "protocol" was used a lot here. lol The he/she in a Palumbo video also misused the term repeatedly.

Guess it sounds better than:  Illegal drug use preparing for a contest.

The bodybuilders and their "coach" or "guru" are equally to blame for this situation.  Who the hell needs a bodybuilding coach?

 

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2021, 07:46:23 AM »
Shawn is absolutely correct here.  It's getting ridiculous how many deaths there have been, and for what a plastic trophy.

It's great that he's calling people out by NAME!

I can't listen to it atm but who did he call out by name?

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2021, 07:53:03 AM »
I can't listen to it atm but who did he call out by name?

Palumbo, Aceto, and Milos were three I remember.  He refered to "THE CHAD" but I don't think he called him out by name.  I will add time stamps and names later tonight when I get a chance, but he does name names.

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2021, 08:09:16 AM »
He is 100% spot on you need to learn your own body and how it reacts to things you can't just start doing what someone else did and expect the same results. Who knows your body better than you?

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2021, 08:18:06 AM »
Palumbo, Aceto, and Milos were three I remember.  He refered to "THE CHAD" but I don't think he called him out by name.  I will add time stamps and names later tonight when I get a chance, but he does name names.

It was always rumored that Milos "secret" was heavy insulin use.  Didn't Kamali brag about that?  I know that even though he and Milos apparently hated each other for a while, he started using Milos for a bit later on.

I know someone who personally used Palumbo as a diet coach.  It was most def "all drugs"  Palumbo had the guy eating 25 grams of carbs per day for over 8 weeks.  It worked for sure, the dude looked amazing.  But he was miserable.  I am talking like "God take me now." kind of misery.  I mean, 99% of any other people who tried this diet would have failed.  But his will power was like iron.  And while this will sound disgusting and it is NOT because he was not a clean person, about week 5, he just had an "odd" odor to him.  Not his breath or smelling sweaty or bad B.O.,... but just a weird smell coming from him.  Sort of like a kitchen chef when they have been chopping onions, turnips and cabbage all day.  But a lot stronger.  He was embarrassed about it.

Aceto, don't know much about him but he has had some high profile clients I believed.  Some that did very well in the pro leagues. 

Chad of course apparently doesn't give a shit about his clients long term health and has had some clients that suffered on down the road to show for it.

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2021, 08:30:11 AM »
Chad is a straight up serial killer

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2021, 08:41:34 AM »
Aceto, don't know much about him but he has had some high profile clients I believed.  Some that did very well in the pro leagues. 
Aceto trained his wife Laura Creavalle as well as Jay Cutler.....just to name a couple.

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2021, 08:45:08 AM »
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Does anyone even know who this guy is anymore ???
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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2021, 09:03:19 AM »
He is 100% spot on you need to learn your own body and how it reacts to things you can't just start doing what someone else did and expect the same results. Who knows your body better than you?
you actually got a point.

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2021, 09:40:13 AM »
It was always rumored that Milos "secret" was heavy insulin use.  Didn't Kamali brag about that?  I know that even though he and Milos apparently hated each other for a while, he started using Milos for a bit later on.

I know someone who personally used Palumbo as a diet coach.  It was most def "all drugs"  Palumbo had the guy eating 25 grams of carbs per day for over 8 weeks.  It worked for sure, the dude looked amazing.  But he was miserable.  I am talking like "God take me now." kind of misery.  I mean, 99% of any other people who tried this diet would have failed.  But his will power was like iron.  And while this will sound disgusting and it is NOT because he was not a clean person, about week 5, he just had an "odd" odor to him.  Not his breath or smelling sweaty or bad B.O.,... but just a weird smell coming from him.  Sort of like a kitchen chef when they have been chopping onions, turnips and cabbage all day.  But a lot stronger.  He was embarrassed about it.

Aceto, don't know much about him but he has had some high profile clients I believed.  Some that did very well in the pro leagues. 

Chad of course apparently doesn't give a shit about his clients long term health and has had some clients that suffered on down the road to show for it.

Milos of course is known for his insulin protocols. They are simple, just take a dose before and after training. Train twice a day preferably. Anyway, a bodybuilder recently attacked Milos, said his protocols caused cardiomyopathy. A ridiculous charge. The guy had been doing 3,000mg of testosterone and a dozen other compounds on top. Milos told him to drop doses down to like 500mg twice weekly but shoot 30-50iu of insulin daily. This dose of insulin is nothing great, maybe a half of what a diabetic might shoot in a day. This bb was a complete retard.

Palumbo uses a cookie-cutter approach, same diet to a 130lbs female as well as a 300lbs male. Gear doses are the same for all males  pretty much, nothing individualized.

Aceto gives clients crazy diuretic protocols without understanding the compounds. These are drugs that kill. Luke Sandoe almost died from an Aceto protocol. Sometimes he doesn't give clients much diuretics but has them not drink for 3 days.

I'm sure you know this but that smell comes from ketosis, IIRC it's acetone that smells.

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2021, 10:14:41 AM »
I can't listen to it atm but who did he call out by name?

He drops names a few times, but there's a round-up starting around the 5:50 mark
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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2021, 10:18:54 AM »
I can't listen to it atm but who did he call out by name?

@3:37

"There's a body count along the way working with this coach.  There are kidneys missing, transplants that had to take place on high level bodybuilders that I felt was a direct correlation to working with this coach who's still in business today."

sounds like Chad Nicholls



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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2021, 11:02:56 AM »
Does anyone even know who this guy is anymore ???

One of the best and most complete BB of all time ::)


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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2021, 11:10:14 AM »
Milos of course is known for his insulin protocols. They are simple, just take a dose before and after training. Train twice a day preferably. Anyway, a bodybuilder recently attacked Milos, said his protocols caused cardiomyopathy. A ridiculous charge. The guy had been doing 3,000mg of testosterone and a dozen other compounds on top. Milos told him to drop doses down to like 500mg twice weekly but shoot 30-50iu of insulin daily. This dose of insulin is nothing great, maybe a half of what a diabetic might shoot in a day. This bb was a complete retard.

Palumbo uses a cookie-cutter approach, same diet to a 130lbs female as well as a 300lbs male. Gear doses are the same for all males  pretty much, nothing individualized.

Aceto gives clients crazy diuretic protocols without understanding the compounds. These are drugs that kill. Luke Sandoe almost died from an Aceto protocol. Sometimes he doesn't give clients much diuretics but has them not drink for 3 days.

I'm sure you know this but that smell comes from ketosis, IIRC it's acetone that smells.

Not so sure about if it was cookie cutter or not.   I saw the basic outline of the program when he started and saw this guy's blood work later on at the end of the cycle.  Drawn the Friday morning before his show, his test levels were over 42,000 and hematocrit levels were 59.3  600 grams protein daily, 25 grams carbs daily in the morning.  (I do not recall how much fat he was allowed.)  One hour cardio in the morning, weight training and half hour cardio at night.  AAS was orals and short acting esters only, TNE, winstrol, var, tren, npp.   No HGH or clen/T3.  Guy started out about 250 and showed up 239 shredded beyond belief.  He looked great.  He won and later said that he would never ever compete again if that is what it took.

I know about keto smells, but this was not the same thing. 

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2021, 11:38:25 AM »
Not so sure about if it was cookie cutter or not.   I saw the basic outline of the program when he started and saw this guy's blood work later on at the end of the cycle.  Drawn the Friday morning before his show, his test levels were over 42,000 and hematocrit levels were 59.3  600 grams protein daily, 25 grams carbs daily in the morning.  (I do not recall how much fat he was allowed.)  One hour cardio in the morning, weight training and half hour cardio at night.  AAS was orals and short acting esters only, TNE, winstrol, var, tren, npp.   No HGH or clen/T3.  Guy started out about 250 and showed up 239 shredded beyond belief.  He looked great.  He won and later said that he would never ever compete again if that is what it took.

I know about keto smells, but this was not the same thing.

That's nuts about 600 grams of protein, I want to say it's not right but can't say for sure. Palumbo himself never ate 600 grams of protein. Really, that's a crazy amount. His baseline contest prep diet has been posted all over. Egg meals, one salmon meal, protein shakes I think, almost no carbs.
Bostin Loyd for whom Palumbo had been like a mentor said his prep diet, the amounts, didn't change once over 12 weeks. Cardio increased a little, T3 and clen increased progressively. Supposedly Palumbo doesn't like to touch the diet at all.

Palumbo thinks McDonalds quarter pounders are somehow very anabolic, contain some special type of salt  :D

I've told this story many times here but I just think it was hilarious. Bob Chick was asked what he thought of Palumbo's diet, did he see anything wrong with it. Bob goes, "what's right about it?"  :D
It was McDonalds a couple of times a day, Carbo fuel drinks and protein shakes.

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2021, 11:49:02 AM »
That's nuts about 600 grams of protein, I want to say it's not right but can't say for sure. Palumbo himself never ate 600 grams of protein. Really, that's a crazy amount. His baseline contest prep diet has been posted all over. Egg meals, one salmon meal, protein shakes I think, almost no carbs.
Bostin Loyd for whom Palumbo had been like a mentor said his prep diet, the amounts, didn't change once over 12 weeks. Cardio increased a little, T3 and clen increased progressively. Supposedly Palumbo doesn't like to touch the diet at all.

Palumbo thinks McDonalds quarter pounders are somehow very anabolic, contain some special type of salt  :D

I've told this story many times here but I just think it was hilarious. Bob Chick was asked what he thought of Palumbo's diet, did he see anything wrong with it. Bob goes, "what's right about it?"  :D
It was McDonalds a couple of times a day, Carbo fuel drinks and protein shakes.

Damn that is interesting.  I saw this guy's email from Dave and that was what was in it.  The goal was to try to "eat up" for size coming into the show.  But there was no McDonalds at all in it.  I do know that it said no clen or T3.  Keep in mind this was 8 weeks or so out and it could have been adjusted or changed.  I do know the guy was completely wiped out and if not for adderall, he would not have been able to get out of bed most days on this.

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2021, 12:22:56 PM »
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lol he's actually quite tame and composed there

watch this one where he goes all out  ;D



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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2021, 12:45:23 PM »
Someone taught him his drug regime or he would have fried his insides by 18 yrs old.  Come on, Shawn.  Are you talking diet or drugs? Anybody can figure out how to lift.

John Brown helped Shawn early on.

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Re: Shawn RAY's rant about Gurus !!
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2021, 12:55:55 PM »
Does anyone even know who this guy is anymore ???

Didn't Milo's take you under his wing?