Why so many iron game deaths in 2021? Is it related to anything...

[obsidian]

with a cursory glance, I'd say about 38
Two were in their early 70s if I recall, with the others ranging from twenties to fifties
I honestly can't be fucked to figure it out though 

Wearing masks don't exactly help. How many of those that died wore masks religiously? Have they not heard of sleep apnea?! The whole problem with sleep apnea is you stop breathing in your sleep and have a lack of oxygen supply. So the body produces more red blood cells that can carry more oxygen. So the blood thickens. Next thing it is hello Heart Attack City! So why are you now going to wear a mask to further reduce your oxygen intake? I bet many people that wore masks for many hours for months will be heart attack risks.

[obsidian]

Possibly the covid shot but I'm not sure

Yes that too. It will be heart attacks or something else but won't be counted as Covid related.

This is how it works according to the establishment:

no vaccine, heart attack = Covid related death
vaccine, heart attack = non Covid related death

[SexyCustomSynthesis250]

So your suspicion is that Covid or the vaccines are driving these thrombotic events? Are they all really due to thrombosis?

The drug use certainly didn't change. SERMs and perhaps steroids increase thrombotic events. Meadows had reportedly used a lot of tamoxifen before his heart attack. But if drugs are responsible why the large uptick in these events? SERM use has gone down with the advent of AIs.

With the Covid and vaccines people are never going to change their opinions. They can look at the same data and draw completely opposite conclusions. Have the vaccines already killed hundreds of thousands as some claim? Or have they saved hundreds of thousands of lives? Seems almost useless to debate as people don't ever seem to switch sides.

I'm saying, SARS-COV-2 and variants (either in the wild or upon subsequent challenge after close contact with a vaccinated subject) by unhealthy users of anabolic steroids is probably afoot.
With each upcoming iteration of variants we'll see more deaths.
Virology is a sham, it's my belief that gyms are being targeted. So called fitness centers; denizens of dirty egoists and other pozzed creatures therein.
Faggots have AIDS, gym going oily benders have COVID
Let's discuss mechanism of action if you'd like...
 

[Van_Bilderass]

I'm saying, SARS-COV-2 and variants (either in the wild or upon subsequent challenge after close contact with a vaccinated subject) by unhealthy users of anabolic steroids is probably afoot.
With each upcoming iteration of variants we'll see more deaths.
Virology is a sham, it's my belief that gyms are being targeted. So called fitness centers; denizens of dirty egoists and other pozzed creatures therein.
Faggots have AIDS, gym going oily benders have COVID
Let's discuss mechanism of action if you'd like...
 

Please elaborate on mechanisms.

I will say that anabolic steroids might predispose subjects to more severe illness. However, I'm actually very surprised bodybuilders haven't died in great numbers from Covid.
I haven't been vaccinated but I have written here before how I came real close to dying of swine flu in 2019 and had a closee call just now from Covid-19. I'm about 6 weeks out of the hospital, spent 6-7 weeks in the hospital, 21 days intubated.

In 2019 all my organs were failing, especially heart. They diagnosed me with LVH, my EF was down to 35. This time my EF was 70! That's nuts, it a great number. I have recovered better this time around too. I could write a ton more but let's see where this discussion goes.

I'm all ears about your ideas. But like I said I'm surprised a lot of heavyweight bbers haven't died from Covid. I don't know what to think of the vaxx yet. I have great disdain both for the antivaxxers as well as the completely nonsceptical ones. Both so sure of everything.

[MAXX]

Please elaborate on mechanisms.

I will say that anabolic steroids might predispose subjects to more severe illness. However, I'm actually very surprised bodybuilders haven't died in great numbers from Covid.
I haven't been vaccinated but I have written here before how I came real close to dying of swine flu in 2019 and had a closee call just now from Covid-19. I'm about 6 weeks out of the hospital, spent 6-7 weeks in the hospital, 21 days intubated.

In 2019 all my organs were failing, especially heart. They diagnosed me with LVH, my EF was down to 35. This time my EF was 70! That's nuts, it a great number. I have recovered better this time around too. I could write a ton more but let's see where this discussion goes.

I'm all ears about your ideas. But like I said I'm surprised a lot of heavyweight bbers haven't died from Covid. I don't know what to think of the vaxx yet. I have great disdain both for the antivaxxers as well as the completely nonsceptical ones. Both so sure of everything.

Well you have probably high ldl/low hdl, being on steroids for so many years. Plaque buildup etc too maybe... This doesn't help when contracting Any diesease. Add to that possibly lower kidney function.

I don't think test in supraphysiological levels helps anyone, health wise. Maybe some musclewasting diseases like late stage aids and some other rare cases.

[SexyCustomSynthesis250]

Please elaborate on mechanisms.

I will say that anabolic steroids might predispose subjects to more severe illness. However, I'm actually very surprised bodybuilders haven't died in great numbers from Covid.
I haven't been vaccinated but I have written here before how I came real close to dying of swine flu in 2019 and had a closee call just now from Covid-19. I'm about 6 weeks out of the hospital, spent 6-7 weeks in the hospital, 21 days intubated.

In 2019 all my organs were failing, especially heart. They diagnosed me with LVH, my EF was down to 35. This time my EF was 70! That's nuts, it a great number. I have recovered better this time around too. I could write a ton more but let's see where this discussion goes.

I'm all ears about your ideas. But like I said I'm surprised a lot of heavyweight bbers haven't died from Covid. I don't know what to think of the vaxx yet. I have great disdain both for the antivaxxers as well as the completely nonsceptical ones. Both so sure of everything.

Van, I'll assume you're still the only homo here with any brains. Thus, ergo and in this order:

SARS-COV-2, vaccines (inc subsequent ADE & variants) represent a viable route of harm to anabolic steroid users upon exposure (or future challenge in the case of a vaccinated subject) via potential actions of both upon a then comprimised angiotensin system.

The combination of "anabolics in tandem with insult occurring from from Sars-cov-2 infection" facilitates deleterious phenotype change (attenuated by anabolic steroid use, specifically the downstream effect upon angiotensin systems, ACE etc thereof) thus results in cardiotoxicity, thrombotic events, embolism, endolithial dysfunction, and deleterious remodeling.

IPSO FACTO:
An unavoidable subsequent horrific increase in deaths of many anabolic users to come. All of which will be painted as quite unrelated to Sars-cov-2 (much less any vaccines thereof) in much the same way the media is currently airbrushing the truth about 'DELTA' and the injuries/deaths it and other [vaccine induced] variants will cause.

Now, let's delve into the more nuanced aspects of the underlying mechanism of action...

I'll guarantee history will show this thread to be the first place discussing this matter, I'm a fucking genius.

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[Van_Bilderass]

Well you have probably high ldl/low hdl, being on steroids for so many years. Plaque buildup etc too maybe... This doesn't help when contracting Any diesease. Add to that possibly lower kidney function.

I don't think test in supraphysiological levels helps anyone, health wise. Maybe some musclewasting diseases like late stage aids and some other rare cases.

Surprisingly cholesterol basically in range. I haven't had my plaque looked at, they don't go for all these tests... for reasons I guess. Cholesterol and every marker they tested for since 2019 has been in range despite being on steroids. Tested about every 2 months. Creatinine a little high at times but as the doc said it's always out of range if muscle mass is "high." I've had liver, kidney, hematocrit, electrolytes, everything they tested in range. Very strange considering the compounds I've been on, I would've thought at least my blood would've been like syrup. I fully know blood work doesn't tell everything.

[Van_Bilderass]

Van, I'll assume you're still the only homo here with any brains. Thus, ergo and in this order:

SARS-COV-2, vaccines (inc subsequent ADE & variants) represent a viable route of harm to anabolic steroid users upon exposure (or future challenge in the case of a vaccinated subject) via potential actions of both upon a then comprimised angiotensin system.

The combination of "anabolics in tandem with insult occurring from from Sars-cov-2 infection" facilitates deleterious phenotype change (attenuated by anabolic steroid use, specifically the downstream effect upon angiotensin systems, ACE etc thereof) thus results in cardiotoxicity, thrombotic events, embolism, endolithial dysfunction, and deleterious remodeling.

IPSO FACTO:
An unavoidable subsequent horrific increase in deaths of many anabolic users to come. All of which will be painted as quite unrelated to Sars-cov-2 (much less any vaccines thereof) in much the same way the media is currently airbrushing the truth about 'DELTA' and the injuries/deaths it and other [vaccine induced] variants will cause.

Now, let's delve into the more nuanced aspects of the underlying mechanism of action...

I'll guarantee history will show this thread to be the first place discussing this matter, I'm a fucking genius.

This posting is © by
Dan Duchaine, 2006

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I actually thought about you the other day, where you've been. Highly entertaining posts

But I mean someone like Roelly survived Covid. Many other pros as well. He's looked close to death for a while, like he's about to explode any second.

[GymnJuice]

Please elaborate on mechanisms.

I will say that anabolic steroids might predispose subjects to more severe illness. However, I'm actually very surprised bodybuilders haven't died in great numbers from Covid.
I haven't been vaccinated but I have written here before how I came real close to dying of swine flu in 2019 and had a closee call just now from Covid-19. I'm about 6 weeks out of the hospital, spent 6-7 weeks in the hospital, 21 days intubated.

In 2019 all my organs were failing, especially heart. They diagnosed me with LVH, my EF was down to 35. This time my EF was 70! That's nuts, it a great number. I have recovered better this time around too. I could write a ton more but let's see where this discussion goes.

I'm all ears about your ideas. But like I said I'm surprised a lot of heavyweight bbers haven't died from Covid. I don't know what to think of the vaxx yet. I have great disdain both for the antivaxxers as well as the completely nonsceptical ones. Both so sure of everything.

I agree with you that exogenous hormones probably counts as a "pre-existing condition" for covid risk purposes.  Maybe your long hospitalization was due to that.  Or maybe you didn't get the same substances in the hospital that you were getting as your usual daily routine (or do you know if they continued things for you while you were on a ventilator)?  I'd imagine that if you came cold turkey off of steroids you'd feel not your usual self.  Add to that the stress your body would be under while fighting off an infection and then you're in a worse position.  If you are on other substances in addition to steroids which then don't get continued for weeks at a time while you're fighting an infection then I'd imagine the stress and length of illness would all be compounded by each additional substance that isn't continued.  All speculation on my part.

[Les Grossman]

Andy Haman - Did expos, nice fella - embolism
Phil Hernon - IFBB pro
John Meadows - Odd little red fella - embolism
Big Richard - Genova coat tail surfer
Alena Kosinova - IFBB Pro tartlet
Sofia Graham - NPC tartlet
Ilias Petsas - Mr Universe 1972 - COVID-19
Melissa Coates - Fitness model tartlet.
Alena Kosinova - IFBB tartlet
Orlando Gallucci - NPC - heart attack
Salah Hussein - IFBB - stroke
Megan Elizabeth - IFBB tartlet
Matt Mendenhall - IFBB
Senthil Kumaran Selvarajan - Mr India - heart attack
Fahd Zaid Hazzazi - IFBB
Lawrence Marshall - IFBB

This gimmick reeks of some Getbig asshole trying to look like Matt Canning.

[SexyCustomSynthesis250]

This gimmick reeks of some Getbig asshole trying to look like Matt Canning.

new here, eh cunt?
 

[SexyCustomSynthesis250]

I actually thought about you the other day, where you've been. Highly entertaining posts

But I mean someone like Roelly survived Covid. Many other pros as well. He's looked close to death for a while, like he's about to explode any second.

I was calling it a day after the Coal Face affair, then a personal tradgey did befall me, and it was time to pack it in fully.

Regarding the covid and gear mess, I began warning several friends of mine (seasoned gear users) about what I'd hoped was a mere possible connection between SARS-CoV-2, juice and vaccines. Now, several months on, and several of them have had clotting issues, mycarditis and chest pains (of an admittedly unclear origin)

I personally believe its a hoax being a used as a pretext to usher in the surveillance grid I'd often post about, of which is now here, hoax or not, but hey

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[Van_Bilderass]

I agree with you that exogenous hormones probably counts as a "pre-existing condition" for covid risk purposes.  Maybe your long hospitalization was due to that.  Or maybe you didn't get the same substances in the hospital that you were getting as your usual daily routine (or do you know if they continued things for you while you were on a ventilator)?  I'd imagine that if you came cold turkey off of steroids you'd feel not your usual self.  Add to that the stress your body would be under while fighting off an infection and then you're in a worse position.  If you are on other substances in addition to steroids which then don't get continued for weeks at a time while you're fighting an infection then I'd imagine the stress and length of illness would all be compounded by each additional substance that isn't continued.  All speculation on my part.

Everyone who is intubated is extremely weak when coming off a ventilator, steroids or not. You have to "learn to walk again" and it's painful as hell. Imagine heart beating at 160 trying to stand for 5 seconds holding a walker. They say each day on a ventilator takes a week to recover from. So I would be looking at 21 weeks to be fully back. But I'm almost back after 6 weeks after discharge. At least physically. That Bill Phillips guy was on a ventilator for 2 weeks and he's a mess. But he's older too.

I was on other substances too. Even some blood pressure/heart medication which they discontinued since BP came down due to weight loss. I started them again on my own behest but went on too high a dose, almost fainted many times. I've since learned about some of these meds like ARBs. They might be something a steroid using bodybuilder should start from the first cycle as a profylactic. Tons of bodybuilders are now on telmisartan. Might protect the heart.

[Humble Narcissist]

Everyone who is intubated is extremely weak when coming off a ventilator, steroids or not. You have to "learn to walk again" and it's painful as hell. Imagine heart beating at 160 trying to stand for 5 seconds holding a walker. They say each day on a ventilator takes a week to recover from. So I would be looking at 21 weeks to be fully back. But I'm almost back after 6 weeks after discharge. At least physically. That Bill Phillips guy was on a ventilator for 2 weeks and he's a mess. But he's older too.

I was on other substances too. Even some blood pressure/heart medication which they discontinued since BP came down due to weight loss. I started them again on my own behest but went on too high a dose, almost fainted many times. I've since learned about some of these meds like ARBs. They might be something a steroid using bodybuilder should start from the first cycle as a profylactic. Tons of bodybuilders are now on telmisartan. Might protect the heart.

You are lucky to be alive.