if you get that ripped natty, more power to ya.
I give props too honestly to him if he's really that blessed, but I do think tren has the same hardening effect as clen IMO even though I've never used tren.
As a short meso, getting really lean is the hardest thing for me to do. 8.5-9% is my best. Never competed, as there was no chance of me going pro, and diuretics for a plastic trophy was just never worth the risk/benefit ratio to me even though everyone in the gym...even Rod Ketchens said I should be doing shows.
Putting on size due to muscle memory is easy for me even though I can't eat much cuz of my IBS. I eat 1-3 times a day max usually. Most days only taking in 500-1500 cals a day, and I still stay 180 at around 18%, and haven't trained for two years+. When I up the food to around 2500, my stomach is hell, but I blow up and lean out quickly, but not like that of someone who is metabolically blessed. If bhanks is being truthful about not using those things, I have to admit I envy that. At my age, it's 11 or 12% with just decent diet, lifting, and 20-30 mins of cardio 4-5x a week is good for me. My body is weird. At that bodyfat range I have serratus and very decent abs when flexed as well as veins in arms, legs, and especially forerams. (Kwon's pics probably play a role in the last one.

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I have lifted at home.........I don't consider that training as I only have adjustable d-bells up to 55, and I haven't done that or my elliptical for over a year due to patellar tendonitis, balance issues, and falls from my knee giving out.
TODAY WAS A GREAT DAY THOUGH! I finally got everything coordinated with my Dr. and a PT clinic to get approved for an eval, scheduled, and 3 session per week for 3 weeks on my knee. Hopefully, they get me back to feeling comfortable working out at home again with no worries of falling with weights in my hand, and then back to TRAINING. Something bhanks doesn't seem to understand the difference between.
Irrelevant to the thread, but I am just happy and excited to have some hope to TRAIN again!

At 48, I figure I got 2 years left to add size back on, and then just maintain. I have no delusions of becoming what Bhanks thinks he can do on a stage....nor any desire.