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Re: MILOS' protocol for Roman Fritz !!
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2021, 02:39:30 PM »
do the growth plates in feet and hands never fuse like most other bones or why does some gh abusers get that?


I think it's mostly a myth that they grow from GH. Temporarily thicker like the hands of GH users but what we're seeing is just people with genetically long feet.

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« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2021, 02:58:05 PM »
I used Slin off and on for about 4 years. It makes you grow like crazy.

Not as dangerous as you think if you actually know what you are doing.

I liked using Log because it's fast acting, in and out.

20iu before lunch, 20iu before training with a intra workout shake and 20iu after training before dinner. Makes you extremely hungry too.

Adds like 20 pounds in a month.

Never had a bad episode on it. Just need to understand how many carbs to eat afterwards and have an orange juice available if you feel bad. The first few weeks you learn how many carbs you need. Also as Van said you don't just stuff yourself with shit food. You eat just enough carbs to stay level and eat a lot of healthy protein and fats.

Just adding GH and Slin can pack on a lot of pounds. It's why most guys these days are so thick and bulky.

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« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2021, 03:10:07 PM »
It's just Humalog before and after training, preferably 2 workouts per day. I think 25/25 is about the upper end of his dosing per workout. Dosing depends on how many carbs they can get away with.

Milos always says insulin only gives a big stomach if you don't know what you're doing. But Jordan Peters was with Milos doing 100iu a day and he says it wrecked his stomach. So much so that it's the main reason he doesn't want to compete anymore. He believes the issue is unfixable. Just severe distension and lots of abdominal tears. He did say it gave him a ton of muscle but he was so swollen he used to wake up gasping for air.

How does insulin in and of itself give you a big gut? It seems to me that an extraordinary surplus of calories will give you a big gut whether you use insulin or not. I think that when a bber is on insulin they tend to overeat both because they are bulking but also because they are afraid of going hypo. This 10 grams of carbs per unit of slin just seems kind of arbitrary.

If you are on maintenance or, especially a caloric deficit, you can take all the slin you want and your stomach won't get big. At least I can't see how slin in and of itself will expand your stomach, an organ. But stuffing yourself every day for years will stretch and expand your stomach, which we see every day for in the vast majority living in first world countries.

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Re: MILOS' protocol for Roman Fritz !!
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2021, 03:25:02 PM »
I just don’t see how insulin is going to add size by itself without additional calories. The only thing I can think is it may clear out your blood of nutrients push into your muscles this allwing your system to digest your food faster but you would still need to eat more

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Re: MILOS' protocol for Roman Fritz !!
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2021, 03:29:59 PM »
Serious hypoglycemic episodes where there is serious danger are very rare. Mild hypoglycemia where it's fixed in 5-10 minutes with a glass of orange juice is common especially if you are trying to get away with as few carbs as possible. Even trying to kill yourself with insulin is often unsuccessful.

You can avoid the gut if you go mild on the dosage and don't pound extreme amounts of food. You have to really work at it to end up completely blowing out your waist. But bodybuilders are extremists so they often push too far. Most top bodybuilders use insulin but they've never been leaner. The GH helps a lot.

You don't need to start at anywhere near 20iu twice daily. I would try 10iu of the "R" like an hour before workouts and see how it treats you. Start with even 5iu to assess tolerance. The R is long acting enough to cover the whole workout period so you wouldn't do 2 shots before and after like you might with Milos' Humalog protocol.

With experience you learn when you need to start eating and when the dose has basically petered out. I remember Duchaine saying he would take Humulin R, drive ro the gym, workout, drive back and when he was through the door he felt he needed to eat. But I wouldn't go anywhere without some juice or glucose tabs when insulin is active. You don't want to get stuck in traffic while going hypo with no carbs on hand. With Humalog I learned that if I hadn't gone hypo by 2 hours it was not going to happen even if I stopped eating at that point. Sometimes I would induce hypoglycemia purposely just for the pleasure you feel eating finally. Once I had taken Humalog sitting 3 feet from my fridge reading getbig. After an hour I could feel hypo coming on but continued playing with my cell for another half an hour. Then I started seeing stars and sweating profusely and had barely the energy to stand up and open the fridge Lol.

Reminding me of a friend who couldn't afford HGH but, like you, loved the science part of it and was very well-read. He learned that there is an inverse relationship between blood sugar and GH. That when blood sugar is low GH production increases. That's why you produce the most GH naturally when you sleep because that's when you are most fasted. When I told him about the results of my Insulin Sensitivity test that my TRT doctor (an endocrinologist that worked primarily with diabetics) had me do. Where it showed clearly that when they injected insulin into one vein forcing my blood sugar to drop, and when I was blacking out, my GH would shoot up, and then when they would inject Dextrose into another vein my GH production would drop as my blood sugar increased. This gave him an idea.
Using slin he would intentionally get himself into a hypoglycemic state, like you, he realized that the dangers of slin are exaggerated and even when you are in a state where you are dripping with sweat you still have a lot of time to get in some sugar before you pass out. The idea was to stimulate his own GH production.

It worked. He had a marked increase in his IGF level when he got it tested after a few weeks of this protocol.

Now I wonder how many people reading this will head to Walmart for some Novolin R and do this themselves. Just be sure to pick up some glucose tab as well or better yet, have a plate of pancakes and Corn syrup (which is just pure dextrose) in front of you when you start sweating and getting woozy.

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Re: MILOS' protocol for Roman Fritz !!
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2021, 03:42:24 PM »
I know everyone thinks I am small but I am telling you I have freak forearms some random commented on them again today they are absolutely going to look at me like a crazy person when I ask for insulin at Walmart but fuck it here goes

Just not convinced it is going to do a damn thing tried it once in my 20s don’t recall it doing anything

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« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2021, 03:47:44 PM »
I know everyone thinks I am small but I am telling you I have freak forearms some random commented on them again today they are absolutely going to look at me like a crazy person when I ask for insulin at Walmart but fuck it here goes

Just not convinced it is going to do a damn thing tried it once in my 20s don’t recall it doing anything

So you are now using insulin? After you swore up and down you never would use it?

Now randomly getbig has convinced you to use it?

Do you ever get tired of the lies Shizo? I mean Brian?

When you are surrounded by guys this is what usually happens.

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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2021, 03:52:10 PM »
Well fuck I got the damn Novalin did I need the humalin

The key is to be low carb n high fat with insulin

Zero carb works best or intermittent fasting

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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2021, 03:53:20 PM »
So you are now using insulin? After you swore up and down you never would use it?

Now randomly getbig has convinced you to use it?

Do you ever get tired of the lies Shizo? I mean Brian?

When you are surrounded by guys this is what usually happens.

Nothing random about it my pancreas is tired needs some help perfectly legal over the counter supplement and was only 25$ will give it a month see how it goes doubt it will do anything

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« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2021, 04:11:03 PM »
Actually more excited to experiment with my other new legal compound that arrived today

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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2021, 04:12:49 PM »
How are you going to run the insulin ?

10 iu x 6 times a day has worked best for me

Added 40 lbs last off season.

If you use this method you are in a anabolic state around the clock.

Very safe

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« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2021, 01:00:29 AM »
I just don’t see how insulin is going to add size by itself without additional calories. The only thing I can think is it may clear out your blood of nutrients push into your muscles this allwing your system to digest your food faster but you would still need to eat more

It activates a lot of anabolic and anticatabolic switches. It also has other effects such as being antiinflammatory which can help on a hard training program.



It worked. He had a marked increase in his IGF level when he got it tested after a few weeks of this protocol.


Insulin can increase IGF apart from due to the induced hypooglycmia/gh release.

There are differences between insulins. Lantus in particular is effective for this and the data is there showing it. Just google on it. A bb on professionalmuscle had a doubling of his IGF with only 2 weekly 25iu Lantus shots. Now the question is how important high levels of IGF are, if at all. Interestingly steroids like tren can lower IGF but the assumption is that it increases IGF in the muscles itself at the same time. And this is seen as more important.

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Re: MILOS' protocol for Roman Fritz !!
« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2021, 05:35:08 AM »
It activates a lot of anabolic and anticatabolic switches. It also has other effects such as being antiinflammatory which can help on a hard training program.

Insulin can increase IGF apart from due to the induced hypooglycmia/gh release.

There are differences between insulins. Lantus in particular is effective for this and the data is there showing it. Just google on it. A bb on professionalmuscle had a doubling of his IGF with only 2 weekly 25iu Lantus shots. Now the question is how important high levels of IGF are, if at all. Interestingly steroids like tren can lower IGF but the assumption is that it increases IGF in the muscles itself at the same time. And this is seen as more important.

We will see what kind of synergetic effect it has again my main hope is it pushes nutrients through false allwing me to eat more

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Re: MILOS' protocol for Roman Fritz !!
« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2021, 02:39:19 PM »
I know everyone thinks I am small but I am telling you I have freak forearms some random commented on them again today they are absolutely going to look at me like a crazy person when I ask for insulin at Walmart but fuck it here goes

Just not convinced it is going to do a damn thing tried it once in my 20s don’t recall it doing anything

STFU you weirdo! Forty-three fuking years old and so worried that strangers on a message board don't think you are big. Talk about arrested development. You still have the mind of a child  and the self-delusion of a psycho.

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« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2021, 02:43:42 PM »
It activates a lot of anabolic and anticatabolic switches. It also has other effects such as being antiinflammatory which can help on a hard training program.

Insulin can increase IGF apart from due to the induced hypooglycmia/gh release.

There are differences between insulins. Lantus in particular is effective for this and the data is there showing it. Just google on it. A bb on professionalmuscle had a doubling of his IGF with only 2 weekly 25iu Lantus shots. Now the question is how important high levels of IGF are, if at all. Interestingly steroids like tren can lower IGF but the assumption is that it increases IGF in the muscles itself at the same time. And this is seen as more important.

Two 25 iu shots a week?! I know it's long-acting but this long? Please confirm this is not a typo.

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« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2021, 02:49:16 PM »
Two 25 iu shots a week?! I know it's long-acting but this long? Please confirm this is not a typo.

Yes it was only 2 shots in a week. Sounded strange to me too. But the bodybuilding relevance of this elevation is pretty unknown.

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« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2021, 02:54:40 PM »
Yes it was only 2 shots in a week. Sounded strange to me too. But the bodybuilding relevance of this elevation is pretty unknown.

So you're not sure about the importance of systemic IGF as it pertains to muscle hypertrophy? Isn't that how doctors determine how your body (liver) is processing HGH? I remember Bostin Lyold saying that even at 20ius he couldn't get his IGF levels to budge much whereas there is a guy on another board who posted his blood work where his IGF was in the 500s on just 5ius of GH. Is someone like Bostin just fucked?

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« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2021, 03:06:14 PM »
So you're not sure about the importance of systemic IGF as it pertains to muscle hypertrophy? Isn't that how doctors determine how your body (liver) is processing HGH? I remember Bostin Lyold saying that even at 20ius he couldn't get his IGF levels to budge much whereas there is a guy on another board who posted his blood work where his IGF was in the 500s on just 5ius of GH. Is someone like Bostin just fucked?

It's a proxy marker for GH levels but there's some question as to how important it is in itself. Some think it's the local IGF in muscle that matters. The poster who had these results always has lower levels of IGF on tren but tren is known to increase local IGF.

Yeah Bostin thought he might be a nonresponder to GH but perhaps not if he has higher IGF in muscle.

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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2021, 04:16:49 PM »
It's a proxy marker for GH levels but there's some question as to how important it is in itself. Some think it's the local IGF in muscle that matters. The poster who had these results always has lower levels of IGF on tren but tren is known to increase local IGF.

Yeah Bostin thought he might be a nonresponder to GH but perhaps not if he has higher IGF in muscle.

Is there a way to measure the IGF in muscle or is it just system levels at this time?

Also, if you are a nonresponder in the sense that Llyod is, are there still benefits of HGH as far as muscle hypertrophy? I was under the impression that most, if not all, of the benefits of HGH come from it's conversion to IGF.

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« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2021, 01:43:43 AM »
Is there a way to measure the IGF in muscle or is it just system levels at this time?

Also, if you are a nonresponder in the sense that Llyod is, are there still benefits of HGH as far as muscle hypertrophy? I was under the impression that most, if not all, of the benefits of HGH come from it's conversion to IGF.

I don't think there is any way to test local levels for a normal citizen.

What would be interesting would be to see what kind of systemic IGF-1 levels the top pros have on average. If the levels are any higher than much less genetically gifted bodybuilders also on similar doses of GH. There might not be any difference... or there might be, I don't know.

GH action seems very complicated and I don't pretend to understand it all. I think GH does many things apart from increasing IGF-1.

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« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2021, 10:06:58 AM »
running insulin alone


and running it with gh - are 2different things

there’s negative feedback loops that are not as active when gh is involved - like body fat storage and it ability to be used as energy/enter the blood stream


use insulin for a few weeks to fill out - increase glycogen stores - but that’s all
you’ll get running cheap walmart slin - even if you managed to eat clean calories - you’re still
not adding muscle - just filling out (for the most part of 4 weeks )

add the gh - lover produces IGF-1 - along with actual exog insulin , one that isn’t white colored
you’ll get more satellite cell or stem cell activation - where the growth , new muscle comes - or even running gh at a low dose you’ll get reduced body fat and be full


why not just run anavar or test for like 12 weeks than run just slin - most guys end up being unstable with no glucose monitor and always end up injecting too many simple carbs = no abs , no veins , fat bloated mess - all farty and slow in the gym - sure you press weight but the thought of dieting gets harder and harder - your shit food choices will get you nowhere

not talking about being single digits now and filling out - it’s adding weight that isn’t quality - the look you will achieve isn’t jay cutler-ish - it’s more like a fat truck driver who likes dairy products

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Re: MILOS' protocol for Roman Fritz !!
« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2021, 10:50:57 AM »
running insulin alone


and running it with gh - are 2different things

there’s negative feedback loops that are not as active when gh is involved - like body fat storage and it ability to be used as energy/enter the blood stream


use insulin for a few weeks to fill out - increase glycogen stores - but that’s all
you’ll get running cheap walmart slin - even if you managed to eat clean calories - you’re still
not adding muscle - just filling out (for the most part of 4 weeks )

add the gh - lover produces IGF-1 - along with actual exog insulin , one that isn’t white colored
you’ll get more satellite cell or stem cell activation - where the growth , new muscle comes - or even running gh at a low dose you’ll get reduced body fat and be full


why not just run anavar or test for like 12 weeks than run just slin - most guys end up being unstable with no glucose monitor and always end up injecting too many simple carbs = no abs , no veins , fat bloated mess - all farty and slow in the gym - sure you press weight but the thought of dieting gets harder and harder - your shit food choices will get you nowhere

not talking about being single digits now and filling out - it’s adding weight that isn’t quality - the look you will achieve isn’t jay cutler-ish - it’s more like a fat truck driver who likes dairy products

Who said anything about just running slin lol read above notice the word synergetic. I really doubt the slin will add any weight at all but will see I certainly don't see it making me fat as I would need to add at least 20lbs of fat to look fat not going to happen in a couple weeks especially when I am running cardirine with it

I mean I am eating as much as I can but I bet it adds 5lbs tops

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« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2021, 11:03:20 AM »



use insulin for a few weeks to fill out - increase glycogen stores - but that’s all
you’ll get running cheap walmart slin - even if you managed to eat clean calories - you’re still
not adding muscle - just filling out (for the most part of 4 weeks )



I agree with some of what you say but I don't think there's anything wrong with Humulin R. Some prefer it, like Chad Nicholls, he's been recommending it for decades over Humalog. What's the difference except duration? Of course now Lantus is all the rage. Crazy fullness and pumps. Supposedly they do a couple of hundred IUs at Oxygen gym and grow like crazy. Lantus has affinity for IGF-1 receptors and increases IGF-1 levels more than other insulins. This is a well known fact in the literature.


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« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2021, 10:28:05 PM »
I agree with some of what you say but I don't think there's anything wrong with Humulin R. Some prefer it, like Chad Nicholls, he's been recommending it for decades over Humalog. What's the difference except duration? Of course now Lantus is all the rage. Crazy fullness and pumps. Supposedly they do a couple of hundred IUs at Oxygen gym and grow like crazy. Lantus has affinity for IGF-1 receptors and increases IGF-1 levels more than other insulins. This is a well known fact in the literature.

So first it's all about fast acting slin. Milos is all about Humalog/Novolog.
In and out. Cram those nutrients in and then get back to baseline. But now it's the opposite. The slowest acting insulin. The one that is supposed to be active for 24 hours. Gets confusing.

Since Lantas is a lot harder and a lot more expensive to get would you get the same effect using Novolin N which I think is an 8-hour slin and inject 3 times a day? Both R and N is $25 at Walmart.

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« Reply #49 on: September 12, 2021, 11:20:28 PM »
Who said anything about just running slin lol read above notice the word synergetic. I really doubt the slin will add any weight at all but will see I certainly don't see it making me fat as I would need to add at least 20lbs of fat to look fat not going to happen in a couple weeks especially when I am running cardirine with it

I mean I am eating as much as I can but I bet it adds 5lbs tops

How much GH are you running on top of the insulin?