McDonald’s diet Hack

[AbrahamG]

McDonald's has the best coffee. I could drink that shit by the gallon. Best pre workout supplement available.

I respectfully disagree.  It's maybe a notch above gas station coffee.  I don't like Starbucks very much either.  Here in Michigan my top 3 are Tim Hortons, Dunkin and Biggby.  Krispy Kreme isn't too bad either. 

[Straw Man]

I think you are correct in explaining this.

Most people, even bodybuilders, don't get into a range of fatigue where being on keto becomes a factor in glucose production.

Competitive cycling, distance running, and other highly aerobic activities use glucose up too fast for keto to be sufficient.

I think if you approach failure, even in the 10-15 rep range you're going to be using glycogen and if you're doing keto you'll just feel like you've run out of gas

I remember trying keto a few times and feeling like absolute shit when trying to train.

I think it's very individualistic and some people adapt better (and faster) to than others

If I recall correctly even Gironda use to recommend a carb up meal (pasta) about every three days while doing his steak and egg diet

That tiny asian on Youtube has been doing keto for a few years and he doesn't seem to have any training issues.

[bhank]

I think if you approach failure, even in the 10-15 rep range you're going to be using glycogen and if you're doing keto you'll just feel like you've run out of gas

I remember trying keto a few times and feeling like absolute shit when trying to train.

I think it's very individualistic and some people adapt better (and faster) to than others

If I recall correctly even Gironda use to recommend a carb up meal (pasta) about every three days while doing his steak and egg diet

That tiny asian on Youtube has been doing keto for a few years and he doesn't seem to have any training issues.

Dude is dying of organ failure and has announced he had an eating disorder and plans to gain bodyfat now

[bhank]

I think if you approach failure, even in the 10-15 rep range you're going to be using glycogen and if you're doing keto you'll just feel like you've run out of gas

I remember trying keto a few times and feeling like absolute shit when trying to train.

I think it's very individualistic and some people adapt better (and faster) to than others

If I recall correctly even Gironda use to recommend a carb up meal (pasta) about every three days while doing his steak and egg diet

That tiny asian on Youtube has been doing keto for a few years and he doesn't seem to have any training issues.

[Straw Man]

Dude is dying of organ failure and has announced he had an eating disorder and plans to gain bodyfat now

when did he say that ?

He definitely seems to have some kind of eating disorder.  The guy was almost starving himself and doing a lot of cardio in addition to lifting, sometimes twice a day and I don't even think it was for a contest.   I'm surprised he didn't get rhabdomyolysis

[Humble Narcissist]

I respectfully disagree.  It's maybe a notch above gas station coffee.  I don't like Starbucks very much either.  Here in Michigan my top 3 are Tim Hortons, Dunkin and Biggby.  Krispy Kreme isn't too bad either.

I agree with Tim Hortons and Dunkins. McDonald's is simply available everywhere and more accessible. I drink Dunkins and other good brands at home. I really like Denny's coffee and Bob Evans as well. It is just convenient when travelling to swing through the drive thru.

I never have understood why Starbucks was such a big deal. Their coffee tastes burnt to me BUT I only drink black coffee and so I don't know how their lattes and other drinks compare to other companies.

[bhank]

Couldn’t sleep baked a cake forget all these dudes eating precooked rice and chicken. I need a good variety of tasty food.

[Humble Narcissist]

That looks like a butthole.

[bhank]

That looks like a butthole.

You should see it after I smeared chocolate frosting on it. It's a Bundt cake. But regardless point is fucking live a little. I watched these pros show their so-called daily food and it's unappetizing or downright disgusting. Life is too short not to eat cake. I train so I can enjoy life and have a cake or cookie not to torture myself on starvation rations of rice and veggies and powders. Also I ran out of bacon but did eat a chicken pot pie.

[ProudVirgin69]

This is what’s weird to me. I’m on keto and have been for many months and my workouts are better than ever and I walk 10-15 miles a day. I don’t understand it and I don’t take any stimulants at all and I don’t drink coffee.

I'm the same way.  I suspect people are physiologically more or less sensitive to the effects of insulin and this determines whether they feel & perform best on high, medium, or low carbs

[ProudVirgin69]

You should see it after I smeared chocolate frosting on it. It's a Bundt cake. But regardless point is fucking live a little. I watched these pros show their so-called daily food and it's unappetizing or downright disgusting. Life is too short not to eat cake. I train so I can enjoy life and have a cake or cookie not to torture myself on starvation rations of rice and veggies and powders. Also I ran out of bacon but did eat a chicken pot pie.

Fresh, wholesome, home cooked food is delicious and has me feeling "light on my feet", eating junk just makes me feel lethargic and bloated.  I'm younger than you, I'm surprised you don't deal with similar issues.

[bhank]

Fresh, wholesome, home cooked food is delicious and has me feeling "light on my feet", eating junk just makes me feel lethargic and bloated.  I'm younger than you, I'm surprised you don't deal with similar issues.

I eat a lot for a couple days then feel kind of bloated, so I don't eat much one day then I work out get an appetite again and eat a lot the next 3 days. I mean I am not precise about it but think like 3 days of heavy eating followed by a day or two of light eating then ramp the calories back up. Basically, if feeling good keep eating if feeling too bloated dial it back for a day. I don't eat as much junk as people seem to think my diet is extremely nutritious. But my weight goes up and down because I do cycle the calories and eating depending on my training and how I am feeling from a digestive point of view. If my lower back is hurting and I am waddling I back off the calories before leg day so I can train. Then after leg day pound the food.

[nzgs]

A Mcdonalds big mac is 65% plant based junk and only 35% usable meat of suspect origin and quality. You would save money by buying a steak from your butcher and eating it raw.

[Flexacon]

I eat a lot for a couple days then feel kind of bloated, so I don't eat much one day then I work out get an appetite again and eat a lot the next 3 days. I mean I am not precise about it but think like 3 days of heavy eating followed by a day or two of light eating then ramp the calories back up. Basically, if feeling good keep eating if feeling too bloated dial it back for a day. I don't eat as much junk as people seem to think my diet is extremely nutritious. But my weight goes up and down because I do cycle the calories and eating depending on my training and how I am feeling from a digestive point of view. If my lower back is hurting and I am waddling I back off the calories before leg day so I can train. Then after leg day pound the food.

This type of calorie cycling is fucking up your cockoon. Mixing it up like this and throwing in light eating days is actually more useful for dieting/maintenance.

[wes]

Clogged Arteries Of Peace

[loco]

Protein is converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis, a highly inefficient process.

Fat is converted to glucose too via gluconeogenesis, not just protein.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3140964/

A lot less protein than you think is converted to glucose in people who have been in nutritional ketosis a while because they are consuming plenty of fat and their body has adapted to using fat for energy instead of glucose.  Their body has plenty of nutritional and stored fat to convert to glucose when needed.

Because most organs and tissues can use ketone bodies as an alternative source of energy, relatively little glucose will need to be created.

Just eat the fucking sugar, lol  I swear, keto is right up there with global warming and get the jab.

Why?  I have no need or desire to eat the f-ing sugar.   

I have been on a ketogenic diet consistently for over two years, and I have:

More energy (don't need caffeine anymore) and better sleep than ever.

Lost over 20 lbs of fat without even trying and without losing muscle or strength.

Cured my allergies and got off meds, reversed acid reflux, resolved digestive issues, decreased my triglycerides, increased my HDL, improved my mood, greatly decreased and still gradually decreasing chronic pain (back, shoulders, neck), and much more.

I haven't had COVID, that I know of, and have only had a very mild cold in more than two years.  I used to get colds often before starting this diet and life style.  Maybe the keto diet has nothing to do with this, or maybe it does.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sugary-molecules-may-one-way-222903718.html
https://news.yale.edu/2019/11/15/ketogenic-diet-helps-tame-flu-virus

There are essential amino acids we get from consuming protein, essential fatty acids we get from consuming fat, but there is no such thing as essential carbohydrates.

We don't know exactly how many carbohydrates we need to consume.  At best it's an educated guess by some.  I just get out of the way and let my body create exactly the endogenous carbs I need when I need them since carbs are not essential unlike protein and fat.

[loco]

A lot depends on your rep range. When you are on keto your muscles don't store anywhere near as much glycogen- that is why you drop 10+ pounds the first week on keto because as the glycogen goes, so does stored water. When glycogen is low you don't have the sugars available for recharging the muscles very fast.


That being said, if your rep range is ~10 or less it is predominately creatine phosphate that is driving the exercise, not glycogen. So you really wouldn't see much of a drop in energy on keto unless you are doing sets with very little rest between. If you did higher reps you would because that is driven glycolytically.


As for walking- the intensity is so low that it is primarily driven by fat oxidation. Again - you wouldn't see much of a difference. As soon as you start running you will find you are limited.


I did a bicycle race series while in keto and had no problem hanging in when the pack was riding steady. As soon as they accelerated I was dying and could no longer keep up. This series was a week long and on the third day I said "screw keto" and went out and bought every sugary thing I could find. Within 2 days I was finishing in the top 10 and actually was contending for victory several times.

Re-Examining High-Fat Diets for Sports Performance: Did We Call the 'Nail in the Coffin' Too Soon?

During the period 1985-2005, studies examined the proposal that adaptation to a low-carbohydrate (<25 % energy), high-fat (>60 % energy) diet (LCHF) to increase muscle fat utilization during exercise could enhance performance in trained individuals by reducing reliance on muscle glycogen. As little as 5 days of training with LCHF retools the muscle to enhance fat-burning capacity with robust changes that persist despite acute strategies to restore carbohydrate availability (e.g., glycogen supercompensation, carbohydrate intake during exercise). Furthermore, a 2- to 3-week exposure to minimal carbohydrate (<20 g/day) intake achieves adaptation to high blood ketone concentrations. However, the failure to detect clear performance benefits during endurance/ultra-endurance protocols, combined with evidence of impaired performance of high-intensity exercise via a down-regulation of carbohydrate metabolism led this author to dismiss the use of such fat-adaptation strategies by competitive athletes in conventional sports. Recent re-emergence of interest in LCHF diets, coupled with anecdotes of improved performance by sportspeople who follow them, has created a need to re-examine the potential benefits of this eating style. Unfortunately, the absence of new data prevents a different conclusion from being made. Notwithstanding the outcomes of future research, there is a need for better recognition of current sports nutrition guidelines that promote an individualized and periodized approach to fuel availability during training, allowing the athlete to prepare for competition performance with metabolic flexibility and optimal utilization of all muscle substrates. Nevertheless, there may be a few scenarios where LCHF diets are of benefit, or at least are not detrimental, for sports performance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26553488


Impact Of Ketogenic Diet On Athletes: Current Insights

2019 Nov 15

Whether nutritional ketosis yields any tangible performance benefits to athletes is a contentious subject within nutrition science. This academic debate has brought about several investigations in an array of athletes, including endurance athletes, resistance-trained athletes, and CrossFit trainees.

The impact of a ketogenic diet (KD) (<50 g/d carbohydrate, >75% fat) on athletic performance has sparked much interest and self-experimentation in the past 3–4 years. Evidence shows 3–4-week adaptations to a KD in endurance-trained athletes were associated with maintenance of moderate (46–63% VO2max) and vigorous intensity (64–90% VO2max) endurance exercise, while at intensities >70% VO2max, increases in fat oxidation were associated with decreased economy (increased oxygen consumption), and in some cases, increased ratings of perceived exertion and heart rate. Two investigations in recreationally active endurance athletes noted no vigorous intensity exercise decrement following 3- and 12-week adaptations. Moderate (70–85% one repetition maximum) and near-maximal to maximal intensity (>85% 1RM) strength performance experienced no decrement following a 3-12-week KD adaptation. Beneficial effects were noted for 2000 m sprint and critical power test completed for short duration at vigorous intensity, while two additional tests noted no decrement. For sprint, near-maximal exercise (>91% VO2max), benefit of the KD was observed for six-second sprint, while no decrement in performance was noted for two additional maximal tests. When protein is equated (grams per kilogram), one investigation noted no decrement in muscle hypertrophy, while one noted a decrement. One investigation with matched protein noted the KD group lost more body fat. In conclusion, moderate-to-vigorous intensity exercise experiences no decrement following adaptation to a KD. Decreases in exercise economy are observed >70% VO2max in trained endurance athletes which may negate performance within field settings. Beneficial effects of the KD during short duration vigorous, and sprint bouts of exercises are often confounded by greater weight loss in the KD group. With more athletes pursuing carbohydrate-restricted diets (moderate and strict (KD)) for their proposed health benefits, more work is needed in the area to address both performance and health outcomes.

Short-Duration Vigorous Intensity (64–90% VO2max, >30 s)
Evidence suggests no decrement to short-duration vigorous-intensity exercise following 3–12 weeks of a KD within trained and recreationally trained athletes. Findings are contrary to sports nutrition guidelines, which recommend carbohydrate availability to enable vigorous performance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6863116/

[GymnJuice]

Cured my allergies and got off meds, reversed acid reflux, resolved digestive issues, decreased my triglycerides, increased my HDL, improved my mood, greatly decreased and still gradually decreasing chronic pain (back, shoulders, neck), and much more.

Might be hard to know what's from diet change and what's from weight loss

[loco]

Might be hard to know what's from diet change and what's from weight loss

Not for me.  I had lost just as much weight, sometimes more, over a period of 3 to 4 months many times before. I went on low fat, high carb, high protein diets and lost 1 to 2 lbs of fat per week.

All I did then was develop health issues and experienced no health benefits, and then gained the weight back plus interest shortly after every time.

This is my first time eating a low carb, ketogenic diet and it has been a world of difference.  I have never lost weight so easily before, even though I'm older now, and I had never been able to keep the weight off this long.

I never felt good while losing weight before, until now.

For me it's definitely the diet, not only what I'm eating now, but definitely what I'm no longer eating.

[bhank]

Not for me.  I had lost just as much weight, sometimes more, over a period of 3 to 4 month many times before. I went on low fat, high carb, high protein diets and lost 1 to 2 lbs of fat per week.

All I did then was develop health issues and experienced no health benefits, and then gained the weight back plus interest shortly after every time.

This is my first time eating a low carb, ketogenic diet and it has been a world of difference.  I have never lost weight so easily before, even though I'm older now, and I had never been able to keep the weight off this long.

I never felt good while losing weight before, until now.

For me it's definitely the diet, not only what I'm eating now, but definitely what I'm no longer eating.

So you are eating zero carbs that is not a life have a fucking cookie and a soda

[loco]

So you are eating zero carbs that is not a life have a fucking cookie and a soda

Not zero carbs, but close to it. Definitely less than 20g per day.  There are a few carbs in eggs, cheese, and liver.

I have no desire to eat a cookie, but if I wanted to I could have a cookie baked with almond or coconut flower sweetened with stevia, monk fruit, or Erythritol.

I enjoy plain seltzer water almost everyday, but I could have a zero carb diet soda if I wanted to.

This is the best life I've lived and I wish I had not fallen for the half truths and misinformation about the keto diet, red meat, saturated fat, cholesterol, salt, etc. and started this diet many years ago.

[bhank]

Not zero carbs, but close to it. Definitely less than 20g per day.  There are a few carbs in eggs, cheese, and liver.

I have no desire to eat a cookie, but if I wanted to I could have a cookie baked with almond or coconut flower sweetened with stevia, monk fruit, or Erythritol.

I enjoy plain seltzer water almost everyday, but I could have a zero carb diet soda if I wanted to.

This is the best life I've lived and I wish I had not fallen for the half truths and misinformation about the keto diet, red meat, saturated fat, cholesterol, salt, etc. and started this diet many years ago.

On that note I think I will have another piece of cake

[loco]

On that note I think I will have another piece of cake

Enjoy! 

[King Shizzo]

Fat is converted to glucose too via gluconeogenesis, not just protein.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3140964/

A lot less protein than you think is converted to glucose in people who have been in nutritional ketosis a while because they are consuming plenty of fat and their body has adapted to using fat for energy instead of glucose.  Their body has plenty of nutritional and stored fat to be used to create glucose when needed.

Because most organs and tissues can use ketone bodies as an alternative source of energy, relatively little glucose will need to be created.

Why?  I have no need or desire to eat the f-ing sugar.   

I have been on a ketogenic diet consistently for over two years, and I have:

More energy (don't need caffeine anymore) and better sleep than ever.

Lost over 20 lbs of fat without even trying and without losing muscle or strength.

Cured my allergies and got off meds, reversed acid reflux, resolved digestive issues, decreased my triglycerides, increased my HDL, improved my mood, greatly decreased and still gradually decreasing chronic pain (back, shoulders, neck), and much more.

I haven't had COVID, that I know of, and have only had a very mild cold in more than two years.  I used to get colds often before starting this diet and life style.  Maybe the keto diet has nothing to do with this, or maybe it does.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sugary-molecules-may-one-way-222903718.html
https://news.yale.edu/2019/11/15/ketogenic-diet-helps-tame-flu-virus

There are essential amino acids we get from consuming protein, essential fatty acids we get from consuming fat, but there is no such thing as essential carbohydrates.

We don't know exactly how many carbohydrates we need to consume.  At best it's an educated guess by some.  I just get out of the way and let my body create exactly the endogenous carbs I need when I need them since carbs are not essential unlike protein and fat.

I think all organs are important, Pal.

[loco]

I think all organs are important, Pal.

Agreed.  Who said otherwise?