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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5550 on: July 30, 2023, 07:33:44 AM »

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5551 on: August 05, 2023, 10:43:53 PM »
Two months in, Ukraine's big offensive has only made small gains

The war in Ukraine has reached a critical point. Where it goes from here could decide the country's future and affect the security of Europe.

In the 18 months since Russia invaded, the Ukrainians have mostly been on the defensive, preventing Moscow's forces from seizing more territory.

But this summer, Ukraine - with the help of billions of pounds of Western military equipment - has gone on the attack, attempting to expel the Russians from land they previously captured in the east and south of the country.

Two months into this counter-offensive, and with time of the essence before the onset of winter, are Ukrainian troops making any real progress?

Working with BBC Verify, we have analysed video of the fighting and spoken to experts to try to answer that question.

One look at a large-scale map of eastern and southern Ukraine shows that not much has changed in the two months since the counter-offensive began.

Russia still occupies nearly one-fifth of Ukraine - including the cities of Donetsk, in the east, and Mariupol, which it captured after months of siege - and its forces are well dug in.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66383377


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5552 on: August 07, 2023, 12:02:11 PM »
Ukraine still winning???

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5553 on: August 08, 2023, 12:42:40 AM »
Ukraine still winning???
Any day now Russia will surrender.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5554 on: August 11, 2023, 01:17:47 AM »

Ukraine orders 12,000 civilians to leave eastern Kharkiv region amid Russian forces' push forward

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-11/ukraine-orders-civilians-evacuate-kharkiv-region-kupiansk/102716738

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5555 on: August 11, 2023, 02:37:03 AM »
So, Russia can push through Ukes defences but Ukraines counteroffensive (even with High Tech gifts from Europe and Nato) have problem pushing through due to Extensive Mines?
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5556 on: August 11, 2023, 03:34:23 AM »
So, Russia can push through Ukes defences but Ukraines counteroffensive (even with High Tech gifts from Europe and Nato) have problem pushing through due to Extensive Mines?

Minefields alone aren't really an issue. Even if you make them particularly complex in their layers, they don't pose that much of an obstacle unless also covered by fire. Russia is dug in, covering the obstacles with fire, and smashing the hell out of Ukraine's tanks with anti-tank rounds from drones and aircraft aimed at their most vulnerable parts.

They have also double-stacked antivehicle mines amongst physical obstacles to channel Ukraine's vehicles into killing zones. It sounds like an absolute fucking nightmare. Any kid being told that they're going to be travelling in an armored vehicle is going to be writing some pretty emotional letters to back home, lol.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5557 on: August 11, 2023, 03:47:44 AM »
Minefields alone aren't really an issue. Even if you make them particularly complex in their layers, they don't pose that much of an obstacle unless also covered by fire. Russia is dug in, covering the obstacles with fire, and smashing the hell out of Ukraine's tanks with anti-tank rounds from drones and aircraft aimed at their most vulnerable parts.

They have also double-stacked antivehicle mines amongst physical obstacles to channel Ukraine's vehicles into killing zones. It sounds like an absolute fucking nightmare. Any kid being told that they're going to be travelling in an armored vehicle is going to be writing some pretty emotional letters to back home, lol.

Mines are a problem if you have no combat Engineers or well trained pioneers.  A lot of the Soviet tanks have a Snorkel for under water crossings so blowing bridges probably won´t stop them either.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5558 on: August 11, 2023, 03:49:42 AM »
Minefields alone aren't really an issue. Even if you make them particularly complex in their layers, they don't pose that much of an obstacle unless also covered by fire. Russia is dug in, covering the obstacles with fire, and smashing the hell out of Ukraine's tanks with anti-tank rounds from drones and aircraft aimed at their most vulnerable parts.

They have also double-stacked antivehicle mines amongst physical obstacles to channel Ukraine's vehicles into killing zones. It sounds like an absolute fucking nightmare. Any kid being told that they're going to be travelling in an armored vehicle is going to be writing some pretty emotional letters to back home, lol.

Sounds dreadful for the Uke advance

At least the Ukes can send drones

   
   

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5559 on: August 11, 2023, 03:55:14 AM »
I think there is even T64 tanks in use but probably more the T 72 which was exported big time in the cold war times.
T 80  was the most updated modifications.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5560 on: August 11, 2023, 03:58:51 AM »
The T80  is still a beast


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5561 on: August 11, 2023, 04:05:46 AM »
The T 64


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5562 on: August 11, 2023, 04:42:41 AM »
I doubt very much if the Russians are using many of these, from what we have seen they are using mainly older weapons & armour.


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5563 on: August 11, 2023, 04:45:28 AM »
The old sweats will remember the T 55  ;)


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5564 on: August 11, 2023, 04:46:46 AM »
I doubt very much if the Russians are using many of these, from what we have seen they are using mainly older weapons & armour.



Saving up the T-90s for special occasions probably
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5565 on: August 11, 2023, 04:58:50 AM »
Saving up the T-90s for special occasions probably
I doubt a scrote like you has seen the inside of a Tank, post your gimmick pictures & live your life bro.
this thread is for real men ..ex military who understand the material. :D

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5566 on: August 11, 2023, 05:05:11 AM »
This thread is for whoever wants to take part in it, lighten up Jack, its not that important...

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5567 on: August 11, 2023, 05:14:18 AM »
I doubt a scrote like you has seen the inside of a Tank, post your gimmick pictures & live your life bro.
this thread is for real men ..ex military who understand the material. :D

Ex military here as well
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5568 on: August 11, 2023, 05:15:28 AM »
Ex military here as well
you were the cook bro  :D

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5569 on: August 11, 2023, 05:17:58 AM »
This thread is for whoever wants to take part in it, lighten up Jack, its not that important...
well it must be for you if you make such a comment. Kwon or Kwon 2 ( i got Pm`s from both his accounts) is a very immature guy. :-\

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5570 on: August 11, 2023, 05:18:26 AM »
Mines are a problem if you have no combat Engineers or well trained pioneers.  A lot of the Soviet tanks have a Snorkel for under water crossings so blowing bridges probably won´t stop them either.
Yeah, I doubt Ukraine had many well-trained specialists on the ground there.

The tanks are robust but with the way the Russians have stacked the mines and built up defenses, it sounds like Ukraine had a rough time.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5571 on: August 11, 2023, 05:21:19 AM »
Yeah, I doubt Ukraine had many well-trained specialists on the ground there.

The tanks are robust but with the way the Russians have stacked the mines and built up defenses, it sounds like Ukraine had a rough time.
Yeah ..i agree.  what i find interesting is the "soviets" have not changed their field tactics since the 70s & 80s.
their structure with Motor Rifle brigades has not changed much.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5572 on: August 11, 2023, 05:23:58 AM »
ah...the memories  :D


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5573 on: August 11, 2023, 07:07:02 AM »
Yeah ..i agree.  what i find interesting is the "soviets" have not changed their field tactics since the 70s & 80s.
their structure with Motor Rifle brigades has not changed much.


What do you make of this?


Zelensky Fires All Heads of Ukraine's Military Call-Up Centers

https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-fires-heads-ukraines-military-call-centers-1819140

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5574 on: August 11, 2023, 07:27:27 AM »

What do you make of this?


Zelensky Fires All Heads of Ukraine's Military Call-Up Centers

https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-fires-heads-ukraines-military-call-centers-1819140

Do not be fooled Zelensky is a Western puppet & not a good guy.  The Ukraine Army has no better tactics than the Russians.
How could they as they are ex Eastern Block soldiers.
I have met many ex DDR soldiers & Russians who served in the Soviet era Army & one guy i know was ex Soviet Navy.
the Navy Guy ranted on & on about Putin as a big Leader but the Army guys were not so happy with how they were treated.
The conscripts were treated very badly & i met a guy who was in Afgahn when they invaded.
In my opinion the Russians will win in the end, what else will happen WW3?  no it will not happen.
putin is sitting it out but has lost some face over it..he will survive it though.

Against the USA ..Russia has no chance but let us not forget they still have weapons of mass destruction. This is their Joker.