Author Topic: Russia has penetrated Ukraine (Read 549397 times)

IroNat · « **Reply #5925 on:** September 27, 2023, 10:07:28 AM »

Western Official Finally Comes Clean About NATO Expansion

https://original.antiwar.com/ted_galen_carpenter/2023/09/25/one-western-official-finally-comes-clean-about-nato-expansion/

In a September 6, 2023 speech to the European Union Parliament, Secretary General Stoltenberg contradicted the entrenched official narrative, most likely inadvertently. “President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade (sic) Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.”

Stoltenberg emphasized, “He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.” Consequently, “he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.”

Rusty Trombone · « **Reply #5926 on:** September 27, 2023, 10:22:02 AM »

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IroNat · « **Reply #5927 on:** September 28, 2023, 03:49:19 AM »

Russians build rail links to Mariupol, Volnovakha and Donetsk

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/27/7421595/

The Russians have started building direct rail links with the occupied cities of Mariupol, Volnovakha and Donetsk.

Kwon · « **Reply #5928 on:** September 28, 2023, 03:57:02 AM »

We win yet?

BigRo · « **Reply #5929 on:** September 28, 2023, 06:54:20 AM »

Quote from: Rusty Trombone on September 27, 2023, 10:22:02 AM

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I am not sure showing a video of a bombed hotel in Odessa really helps the public image of your "righteous cause".

joswift · « **Reply #5930 on:** September 28, 2023, 08:53:46 AM »

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Gym Rat · « **Reply #5931 on:** September 28, 2023, 10:43:04 AM »

Quote from: BigRo on September 28, 2023, 06:54:20 AM

I am not sure showing a video of a bombed hotel in Odessa really helps the public image of your "righteous cause".

War is war, no rules, no one is safe... Unfortunately...

BigRo · « **Reply #5932 on:** September 28, 2023, 10:58:48 AM »

Quote from: Gym Rat on September 28, 2023, 10:43:04 AM

War is war, no rules, no one is safe... Unfortunately...

There are rules but Russia does not care for them. Is this really the right way to make your hopefully conquered people love you?

obsidian · « **Reply #5933 on:** September 28, 2023, 12:12:36 PM »

Quote from: BigRo on September 28, 2023, 10:58:48 AM

There are rules but Russia does not care for them. Is this really the right way to make your hopefully conquered people love you?

Why did the Ukrainian military murder civilians in Eastern Ukraine from 2014 onward? You act like the other side doesn't have any dirty laundry. Americans have committed all kinds of atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

That hotel was being used by mercenaries and NATO. It deserved to be bombed.

Team Putin!!

joswift · « **Reply #5934 on:** September 28, 2023, 12:23:08 PM »

Quote from: BigRo on September 28, 2023, 10:58:48 AM

There are rules but Russia does not care for them. Is this really the right way to make your hopefully conquered people love you?

Google Mai Li massacre

also
Did the Allies take prisoners on D-Day?
Historian Peter Lieb has found that many U.S. and Canadian units were ordered not to take enemy prisoners during the D-Day landings in Normandy.

No one follows the rules of engagement

BigRo · « **Reply #5935 on:** September 28, 2023, 02:14:53 PM »

Quote from: obsidian on September 28, 2023, 12:12:36 PM

Why did the Ukrainian military murder civilians in Eastern Ukraine from 2014 onward? You act like the other side doesn't have any dirty laundry. Americans have committed all kinds of atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

That hotel was being used by mercenaries and NATO. It deserved to be bombed.

Team Putin!!

lol that hotel was being used by NATO? what tosh. Didn't you know Russia rains down missiles all over Ukraine with no regard to where they land? Many fly over the head of the mother of my girlfriend on the way to Lviv in west Ukraine.

Russia started the fighting in Donbass in 2014 because they invaded. That there was a genocide as a pretext for this full scale invasion is false;

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Bucha is a striking example of Russia's "denazification" methods;

Team Putin? You sound like a cheerleader.

joswift · « **Reply #5936 on:** September 28, 2023, 02:22:31 PM »

Quote from: BigRo on September 28, 2023, 02:14:53 PM

lol that hotel was being used by NATO? what tosh. Didn't you know Russia rains down missiles all over Ukraine with no regard to where they land? Many fly over the head of the mother of my girlfriend on the way to Lviv in west Ukraine.

Russia started the fighting in Donbass in 2014 because they invaded. That there was a genocide as a pretext for this full scale invasion is false;

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Bucha is a striking example of Russia's "denazification" methods;

Team Putin? You sound like a cheerleader.

Ronan, its called war

We levelled Dresden in WW2 with firebombs killing tens of thousands of civilians in a single night

BigRo · « **Reply #5937 on:** September 28, 2023, 02:26:10 PM »

Men should fight like men not shoot defenceless woman after raping them. There is no justification for it, and it is not a team I would want to be on. The only reason Ukraine started sending drones in to Russia is because they were sick of being bombed day and night.

What the allies did to Dresden was wrong.

joswift · « **Reply #5938 on:** September 28, 2023, 02:27:36 PM »

Quote from: BigRo on September 28, 2023, 02:26:10 PM

Men should fight like men not shoot defenceless woman after raping them. There is no justification for it, and it is not a team I would want to be on. The only reason Ukraine started sending drones in to Russia is because they were sick of being bombed day and night.

What the allies did to Dresden was wrong.

Whichever side you choose you are on one with women and baby killers on it.

watch this if you get time
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BigRo · « **Reply #5939 on:** September 28, 2023, 02:37:09 PM »

I never connected with JP.

joswift · « **Reply #5940 on:** September 28, 2023, 03:09:11 PM »

Quote from: BigRo on September 28, 2023, 02:37:09 PM

I never connected with JP.

That doesnt mean he isnt right occasionally

Kwon · « **Reply #5941 on:** September 28, 2023, 09:43:21 PM »

Quote from: BigRo on September 28, 2023, 02:37:09 PM

I never connected with JP.

I did

JP is right on this, check the vid

BigRo · « **Reply #5942 on:** September 28, 2023, 11:59:02 PM »

JP is always right, in his own head, and in the heads of his worshippers. Dude is just recovering from a serious addiction and is back sprouting away. We are not all nazis capable of the worst atrocities. This kind of talk is just a modern version of Christianity's "we are all sinners", whereas now JC as been replaced by JP.

illuminati · « **Reply #5943 on:** September 29, 2023, 07:24:22 AM »

Whichever side you choose you are on one with women and baby killers on it.

Yes very true the Ukrainians are no different to the Russians to think
or believe they're more ethical or decent is just silly - time & time again
the horrors of war & what happens to many civilians is common knowledge

Book - Ordinary Men - Battalion 101 !!

watch this if you get time
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joswift · « **Reply #5944 on:** September 29, 2023, 07:30:29 AM »

Quote from: BigRo on September 28, 2023, 11:59:02 PM

JP is always right, in his own head, and in the heads of his worshippers. Dude is just recovering from a serious addiction and is back sprouting away. We are not all nazis capable of the worst atrocities. This kind of talk is just a modern version of Christianity's "we are all sinners", whereas now JC as been replaced by JP.

History has taught us we are.

Oscar Schindler only had a change of heart once the war was almost over, he saved around 1200 people

Oh and he had them working in his ammunition factories that were making bombs for Germany to drop on allied targets

He was responsible for the deaths of far more people than he saved.