Will L Smithson Slapped The Shit Outta Chris Rocker!!!

[joswift]

Yes.

And that timing is mental!

However, just one thing...

Why would Will have initially laughed at the joke? Wouldn't he have reacted like Jada? At no point did she laugh.

And his laugh wasn't a continuation of the previous laugh - it was a fresh laugh from the joke about Jada.

Another thing - Chris initially postures almost as if a fight was going to commence, just after it happened.

That is a VERY subtle performance.

Almost too subtle for a live event.

That said, I do have questions:

Apparently the show has a six second daily for the live feed. Why wasn't the feed cut?

So as of now, I'm still going with live.

One last point: this didn't have to happen to get advertising for Alopecia medicine. Jada simply being there at all was an advertisement.

I'm not disagreeing. It just seemed pretty real to me.

I also feel like Will didn't have much to gain here. I think it makes him look bad to more people than not. What do you think about that?

Think about those two statements
If it had been real they would have cut it
The fact they let it run shows they knew it was going to happen and wanted everyone to see it

[joswift]

from what i heard they all hated her and she had an inflated sense of self importance, she didn't like that will smith was the star she felt like she should get more hair time

never heard anything about the cast not liking him

E

fixed

[myt1]

Hahaha. Comic material for days!

Chris Rock could have come back with SO MANY jokes there.

My friend sent me this...but I'm still going with real / not staged:

I think Chis thought he was just going to fuck with him verbally.  He had his hands behind his back which is normal on every awards show....even Espy's.  That slap was way too loud if you hear the audio to believe 155lb would agree to be smacked like that by a dude 50lbs heavier and around 4"'s+ taller on live tv to be made look like a bitch. Agree, it was real. Oscars might have ok'd the slap if it was a bit, but definitely not the verbal tirade and cussing on live ....sponsored TV.

[myt1]

Think about those two statements
If it had been real they would have cut it
The fact they let it run shows they knew it was going to happen and wanted everyone to see it

Disagree. All live stuff on non-cable has had a delay for many years with no black out.  Especially after a couple of super bowl foul ups, and DeNiro saying Fuck Trump live.

[myt1]

Good point about Chyna - she was 5'10", which is tall for a woman, but not super imposing in real life. That is sad about her self-destruction.

Those are cool stories. I think Macho Man went up and down a little. He was huge in Spider-Man.

I think the whole 5'10" thing was her wearing boots.  I stood by her talking standing up.  She was in tennis shoes, and a sporty outfit (track suit type, but with a zipper hoodie to show her tits to fans)  She was not 6" taller than me.

[joswift]

Disagree. All live stuff on non-cable has had a delay for many years with no black out.  Especially after a couple of super bowl foul ups, and DeNiro saying Fuck Trump live.

So are you saying they couldnt have cut it out even if they wanted to?

[Royalty]

Imagine if this was reversed, and Gunter shoved Ronnie? The press would have a field day. But since it was Ronnie shoving Gunter, the mainstream media brushed the incident under the rug. As a matter of fact, they ignored the contest completely. Fucking bullshit.

[Matt]

Pretty much this.

Rewatched Fresh Prince a few years ago and unlike most family sitcoms this one aged pretty well. Her version of aunt Viv was definitely better.

The first Aunt Viv?

I missed most of that season, so I forget how she was. I remember her being different.

The new Aunt Viv in "Bel-Air" sounds just like the second Aunt Viv.

I watched three episodes, but they race-baited way too much.

[Matt]

Did Will and Chris have a beef? None of the jokes Chris made here seemed particularly harsh to me:

[Al Doggity]

Why?  He to my knowledge has never written anything scriptwise himself.  His "music" was shitty pre-recorded beats...can't play an instrument as far as I know, lyrics were meaningless shit, hit tv show where the cast hated him and everything was written for him.  Like I said, he was the "safe blackie", and I think he just killed that.

He's still good friends with the entire cast with the exception of the original Aunt Viv.  Almost all of them have talked about the original Aunt Viv actress not being pleasant to work with.  Alfonso Ribeiro (Carlton) wouldn't even shoot  scenes with her when they shot the HBO Max reunion last year.

Will started out as a novelty rapper, became one of the biggest tv stars at the time he was on tv and transitioned into becoming one of the biggest movie stars. He had major success in all three areas and he did it at a time when that kind of success was not common. It's changed a lot in the last 20 years, but making the leap from tv to movies used to be a big deal and making the leap from music to legitimate actor who could carry a non-musical movie (much less an action film) was almost unheard of.

The "safe blackie" thing... even blacks use that to dismiss, so I'm not hating, but it's not really possible to apply it to Will Smith. Being the safe negro gets you to the middle of the pack, it doesn't get you to the top of the pack  and he has been a major star for decades. If it was just a few sort of successful movies or just a popular tv show, you might have a point, but he's literally one of the most successful actors of all time. That's not luck, that's not being safe IMO that's smart choices and hard work. Being seen as a good guy definitely helped him, but he's an actor. They are all image conscious.

[Gregzs]

Will Smith's Mother Reacts to Him Slapping Chris


"I am proud of him being him"
Will Smith's mother, Carolyn Smith, was left speechless along with the rest of the world after her son slapped Chris Rock across the face while he was presenting the award for best documentary at the Oscars on Sunday.

The 85-year-old was watching the award show rooting for Will's nomination for Best Actor when she watched him rise from his seat to strike the comedian after he made a joke about Jada Pinkett Smith.

In an interview with ABC Philadelphia affiliate WPVI, Carolyn revealed how shocked she was to see the events unfold on-screen.

"He is a very even, people person," she stated. "That's the first time I've ever seen him go off. First time in his lifetime… I've never seen him do that."

The night left Carolyn and her family with conflicting emotions when Smith won his first Oscar Award for Best Actor for his performance in "King Richard" shortly after the altercation with Rock.

"I know how he works, how hard he works… I've been waiting and waiting and waiting," she gushed. "When I heard the name, I was just, 'Yes!'"

The Smith family isn't letting the intense moment define the actor, and remains firm in his character as they say he always puts family first.

Carolyn stated, "I am proud of him being him."

Following the incident the Academy released a statement on Twitter saying they "have officially started a formal review around the incident and will explore further action and consequences in accordance with our Bylaws, Standards of Conduct and California law."

In his speech, Will said he hoped the Academy would invite him back despite the incident. Rock has not responded publicly at all, but he did choose not to press charges.

On Monday evening, Will did issue a public apology to Rock on his Instagram page. "Violence in all of its forms is poisonous and destructive," he wrote, describing his own behavior at the Oscars as "unacceptable and inexcusable."

"Jokes at my expense are part of the job, but a joke about Jada's medical condition was too much for me to bear and I reacted emotionally." He then directly apologized to Rock, telling him, "I was out of line and I was wrong."

He also apologized again to the Academy and to the Williams family. Perhaps referencing his own words about love in his acceptance speech, Smith also wrote, "There is no place for violence in a world of love and kindness."

https://toofab.com/2022/03/29/will-smith-mother-reacts-to-chris-rock-oscars-the-slap/?fbclid=IwAR3i9WhnlIrpta9wLmo7kQAq7x3HW_q2XymzxDsPSPCuei-t8i_8cBQHcKk

[joswift]

Will Smith's Mother Reacts to Him Slapping Chris


"I am proud of him being him"
Will Smith's mother, Carolyn Smith, was left speechless along with the rest of the world after her son slapped Chris Rock across the face while he was presenting the award for best documentary at the Oscars on Sunday.

The 85-year-old was watching the award show rooting for Will's nomination for Best Actor when she watched him rise from his seat to strike the comedian after he made a joke about Jada Pinkett Smith.

In an interview with ABC Philadelphia affiliate WPVI, Carolyn revealed how shocked she was to see the events unfold on-screen.

"He is a very even, people person," she stated. "That's the first time I've ever seen him go off. First time in his lifetime… I've never seen him do that."

The night left Carolyn and her family with conflicting emotions when Smith won his first Oscar Award for Best Actor for his performance in "King Richard" shortly after the altercation with Rock.

"I know how he works, how hard he works… I've been waiting and waiting and waiting," she gushed. "When I heard the name, I was just, 'Yes!'"

The Smith family isn't letting the intense moment define the actor, and remains firm in his character as they say he always puts family first.

Carolyn stated, "I am proud of him being him."

Following the incident the Academy released a statement on Twitter saying they "have officially started a formal review around the incident and will explore further action and consequences in accordance with our Bylaws, Standards of Conduct and California law."

In his speech, Will said he hoped the Academy would invite him back despite the incident. Rock has not responded publicly at all, but he did choose not to press charges.

On Monday evening, Will did issue a public apology to Rock on his Instagram page. "Violence in all of its forms is poisonous and destructive," he wrote, describing his own behavior at the Oscars as "unacceptable and inexcusable."

"Jokes at my expense are part of the job, but a joke about Jada's medical condition was too much for me to bear and I reacted emotionally." He then directly apologized to Rock, telling him, "I was out of line and I was wrong."

He also apologized again to the Academy and to the Williams family. Perhaps referencing his own words about love in his acceptance speech, Smith also wrote, "There is no place for violence in a world of love and kindness."

https://toofab.com/2022/03/29/will-smith-mother-reacts-to-chris-rock-oscars-the-slap/?fbclid=IwAR3i9WhnlIrpta9wLmo7kQAq7x3HW_q2XymzxDsPSPCuei-t8i_8cBQHcKk

[Hulkotron]

When do you suppose the last time Will and "Jada" had sex was?  I bet it was at least 15 years ago.

[myt1]

The first Aunt Viv?

I missed most of that season, so I forget how she was. I remember her being different.

The new Aunt Viv in "Bel-Air" sounds just like the second Aunt Viv.

I watched three episodes, but they race-baited way too much.

You're not dumb at all Matt, but I think you might be the only one that didn't see that as that happening and/or the reason for the re-boot entirely.

[Royalty]

When do you suppose the last time Will and "Jada" had sex was?  I bet it was at least 15 years ago.

Sunday night

[ThisisOverload]

Sunday night

Will was at the receiving end too.

[CalvinH]

When do you suppose the last time Will and "Jada" had sex was?  I bet it was at least 15 years ago.

Jada has had sex plenty of times in the last 15 years.


...Will we are not so sure of...

[Flexacon]

The first Aunt Viv?

Hittable too

[Never1AShow]

Yes.

And that timing is mental!

However, just one thing...

Why would Will have initially laughed at the joke? Wouldn't he have reacted like Jada? At no point did she laugh.

On this point, I doubt they rehearsed.  I can easily see them wanting to keep it ad hoc, specifically so it doesn't look to choreographed, to the point that he didn't even know the actual joke.  It's a horribly unfunny joke, barely worth a smirk, so the fact that he "laughed" is actually more evidence that it was fake.  "Look, I'm going to tell a joke, then you come up and do your thing" level of rehearsal/planning.

And his laugh wasn't a continuation of the previous laugh - it was a fresh laugh from the joke about Jada.

Another thing - Chris initially postures almost as if a fight was going to commence, just after it happened.

I don't think he's posturing, I think it's an involuntary reflex to getting smacked, even if it was fake.
 It's split-second and then he consciously controls it

That is a VERY subtle performance.

Almost too subtle for a live event.

That said, I do have questions:

Apparently the show has a six second daily for the live feed. Why wasn't the feed cut?

So as of now, I'm still going with live.

One last point: this didn't have to happen to get advertising for Alopecia medicine. Jada simply being there at all was an advertisement.

I'm not disagreeing. It just seemed pretty real to me.

I also feel like Will didn't have much to gain here. I think it makes him look bad to more people than not. What do you think about that?

Just some points to ponder above

[Matt]

Think about those two statements
If it had been real they would have cut it
The fact they let it run shows they knew it was going to happen and wanted everyone to see it

Yes...exactly.

I mean...right?

So I'm a bit conflicted on that, and obviously still reading and researching.

I'm curious though - what's in it for Will, given how much cash he already has?

As for if it is real - is this what Big Pharma needs to do to make money now? If so - that's pathetic.

[SF1900]

I remember the episode of fresh Prince when uncle Phil had a heart attack and Carlton would not visit him in the hospital and Will was all like “there comes a time when all people have to see their father like that.”

This would bring anyone to tears.

[Matt]

I think Chis thought he was just going to fuck with him verbally.  He had his hands behind his back which is normal on every awards show....even Espy's.  That slap was way too loud if you hear the audio to believe 155lb would agree to be smacked like that by a dude 50lbs heavier and around 4"'s+ taller on live tv to be made look like a bitch. Agree, it was real. Oscars might have ok'd the slap if it was a bit, but definitely not the verbal tirade and cussing on live ....sponsored TV.

That is why I lean towards real:

Having your hands behind your back is normal.

I have not seem what Will looked like from the front while walking to Chris...but since Will had a smile on his face while walking back, is it possible that he had a smile on his face? If Will was smiling, isn't it possible that  he just thought Will was going to do something friendly?

Would ANYONE in a million years expect a Chimp-Out like this at the Academy Awards? Lol.

Also, notice how Chris immediately postures to potentially fight back, until he noticed Will walking away? That seems like pure instinct to me.

And also, THIS: why did Will Smith initially laugh at the joke?

Wouldn't he stay in character? It seems like he laughed until Jada gave him the eye.

I agree with joswift that they had time to cut the feed, given the 6-second delay.

joswift [if you see this]: what do you think about Will laughing at the joke initially? It also seemed like a new laugh, rather than a continuation of the previous laughter. Whereas Jada looked offended from the start.

Wouldn't all three be in on it? If so, wouldn't Will have looked offended too?

That's why I'm leaning to real, but...I guess no one would know except for a few people. But even the people processing the feed would have to be in on it...and the more people in on a conspiracy, the more likely it is to fall apart.

But hey - I don't know. Hence the questions.

[Phantom Spunker]

Matt, I can't thank you enough for your assiduous detective work in this thread. Please continue to explore all avenues. Make sure you're using a VPN, though. We can't risk Hollywood coming after you when you're so close to cracking the case.

[loco]

Whoopi Goldberg: "He dindu nuffin.  He a good boy."

[Matt]

Matt, I can't thank you enough for your assiduous detective work in this thread. Please continue to explore all avenues. Make sure you're using a VPN, though. We can't risk Hollywood coming after you when you're so close to cracking the case.

Phantom Spunker,

I detect your sarcasm, but check this out:

This would take INCREDIBLY subtle performances to fake. 

My verdict so far: real. Although I have no idea why they cut the feed. And if Pfizer [the show sponsor] has a new Alopecia drug released the same day [source?], that's amazing.

My biggest question is: why would he have been laughing after the joke initially the way he was if it was fake?

And it wasn't one of those laughs that was a continuation of the previous joke.

Phantom Spunker: did you get the initial joke? I'm not even sure if I put it together, initially, because Will wasn't sitting next to Jada [for some reason?]. I do vividly recall GI Jane and Demi Moore's hairstyle in the movie, but I thought it may be just a "strong woman" comparison.

What is your assessment on this?

What do you make of it?