Fentanyl Problem

[residue]

I'm not sure you understand what white collar means.

I’ve worked at 1 chase plaza and the world financial center.. I have a decent idea

[Fortress]

Impressive fortress. Also I agree. I have a couple guys I know that have never drank and I’m amazed how someone can grow up and not drink, impressed but also amazed.

I’m not on some soapbox, brother. Believe me. But growing up, I was just never interested. I discovered weight training at 15. As well, I was HEAVILY into music. To me, I could spend my (limited) money on booze, etc., or I could grip some records and buy a burger. Simple choice. Also, every male in my family turns into a raging asshole when he drinks. Every time I’ve been with my brother, 10 years my senior, when he’s drinking, we’ve gotten into fisticuffs.

Then, working bouncing/doors for YEARS, I observed just how lame, embarrassing and stupid folks are under the influence.

Booze and rec drugs RUIN your brain. Period. No question. And your physical health, obviously.

[residue]

For those of you on here that have done drugs... which ones have you done that you never will again.  Why?

Drugs are really fun. The party ones are amazing and none are habit forming.
Coke
Ket
Molly/xtc
Acid
Mushrooms


Molly for example wakes up all of your nerves, that’s why people get cuddly and rub up against furry things.. just imagine how it feels being at home with all your never endings getting your dick sucked by your gal

[wazhazbin]

I said no to alcohol and drugs....

but they won't listen!!

[illuminati]

I said no to alcohol and drugs....

but they won't listen!!

I read a book once on the Dangers of Alcohol & Drugs - it frightened the Crap out of Me.
I said there & then that's it I'm never Reading another Fooking Book again.

[Taffin]

For those of you on here that have done drugs... which ones have you done that you never will again.  Why?

Good question

I hope Brother Fortress can forgive my past transgressions, but I have sinned many times here.  About the only things I can think of that I never tried were

-  Injecting heroin
-  Crack
-  Fentanyl (because it wasn't a thing in the '90s)

Loved everything else.  There - I said it.

Witnessing the birth of my first child meant I dropped everything apart from the occasional shot of rum many years ago.  And yes, I'd have probably been dead by now if it weren't for that, but God Bless Lifting

[Van_Bilderass]

Fentanyl is cheap compared to other drugs. And a minute quantity will get you high as a kite.

Dealers cut their product with Fentanyl to make the most of their supply.

I can't see how this would be the case. You take coke to get coke effects, if the "coke" makes you nod out would that be acceptable to most customers? Totally different drugs. If people want opioids they will buy opioids, not coke. Right?

So this intentional cutting of stims with downers makes no sense to me. I was thinking maybe someone was bagging coke someplace where they were handling fentanyl and the coke got accidentally contaminated. Could that be the case?
Making counterfeit Oxy with fent or cutting heroin with fent, now that makes more sense.

This thing hasn't been explained to my satisfaction 

[Palumboism]

I’ve worked at 1 chase plaza and the world financial center.. I have a decent idea

55 percent of all workers are white collar workers.  You're saying 55 percent of the working population has done cocaine?

[ChristopherA]

It is in coke because people want it in coke they ask the dealers for it it is not in weed lol

Again alcohol and tobacco are the bigger health risk killing more people and costing more health care to the nation but not as cool sounding in the headlines

Historical addiction rates haven’t changed in hundreds of years

We used to give children alcohol for breakfast for fuck sake they have records of the historical alcohol consumption and it is astronomical

You don't have a clue as usual. People buying coke don't want fent in it. They will die. They're not opiate addicts who have a tolerance and can handle fent

[ChristopherA]

I never have.  Other than trying pot in high school I have never done anything else. I live in S FL and have never done X.   Neither have any of my friends.

Yeah you're all dorks. Shocker

[Scrancer]

Yeah you're all dorks. Shocker

Im your biggest fan on here, no doubt, you are hall of fame
but not doing drugs makes a person a dork? Wow thats weak
I have never done drugs other than trying a couple puffs of weed. So Im a dork? Nope

Lurker is fucking awesome (not politically) for staying away from drugs.

[ChristopherA]

Im your biggest fan on here, no doubt, you are hall of fame
but not doing drugs makes a person a dork? Wow thats weak
I have never done drugs other than trying a couple puffs of weed. So Im a dork? Nope

Lurker is fucking awesome (not politically) for staying away from drugs.

I absolutely am blown away by anyone who's gone through life straight edge.. it's very impressive that they overcame peer pressure, curiosity, etc.  Most group of friends have that one guy who's never touched anything. No you're not a dork for not doing drugs. But Lurker and his friends are a bunch of dorks based on what I know of him from his posts.

[Scrancer]

I absolutely am blown away by anyone who's gone through life straight edge.. it's very impressive that they overcame peer pressure, curiosity, etc.  Most group of friends have that one guy who's never touched anything. No you're not a dork for not doing drugs. But Lurker and his friends are a bunch of dorks based on what I know of him from his posts.

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this is fair and correct

[Tapeworm]

For those of you on here that have done drugs... which ones have you done that you never will again.  Why?

I just didn't enjoy amphetamines. Coke, crack, and meth. I only tried them once to see what's what so I don't have extensive experience, but I was disappointed. I just didn't feel sleepy. That's it. Other people who took the same amount from the same batch insisted it was great so the drugs weren't bunk. Amphetamines just don't work for me the way they do for others. I think my experience is rare.

I enjoyed lsd and mushrooms but they made me heavily introspective. I wouldn't say they're fun but they're rewarding. Again, I was an oddball. Everyone else was social and stayed together but I had to be alone. Probably wouldn't take again because they're hard work.

I smoked a lot of weed and it was ok but after a few years my reaction to it changed and it gave me paranoia and panic. It just wasn't fun anymore, either alone or with others.


I think the war on drugs is yet another tax and profit scheme and I'm amazed the Right Wing got so sold on it since it's incompatible with their principles of liberty, free market trade, and small government. They have to retreat to a Left Wing position of good of society/ we're all in it together in order to defend it. If you don't want to use drugs then don't use them. I'd also accept a community type argument from them, like a town, county, or state that evolves to have its laws reflect its values, but they never give you that. Instead you get the "hurts society therefore my brand of tyranny" argument. I'm like... isn't that the same case the guy who wants your rifle just made, ya doofus redhat?

First, what's a society and how do you quantify harm to it? Second, tons of shit hurts it. Fat people. Stupid people. People who won't be nurses when there aren't enough nurses. Shall we criminalize doughnuts, institute government run eugenics, compel labor, and do the Brave New World thing? "It harms society" is not a reason to bring the government into people's lives.

I never harmed society. I never mugged a grandma. I didn't have addiction problems. The problem isn't the drugs. It's the people. Stanhope nailed it. The only people who think drugs should be illegal are people who never used drugs or people who sucked at using drugs.

A market can't be legislated. Even Diocletian couldn't swing it for a single week and he was an emperor. Prohibition is a lost cause which funds criminals, half of which are in the government.

[Tapeworm]

TLDR legalize so I don't have to see conservatives use liberal logic.

[BB]

I can't see how this would be the case. You take coke to get coke effects, if the "coke" makes you nod out would that be acceptable to most customers? Totally different drugs. If people want opioids they will buy opioids, not coke. Right?

So this intentional cutting of stims with downers makes no sense to me. I was thinking maybe someone was bagging coke someplace where they were handling fentanyl and the coke got accidentally contaminated. Could that be the case?
Making counterfeit Oxy with fent or cutting heroin with fent, now that makes more sense.

This thing hasn't been explained to my satisfaction 

The newest theory from our DEA is that fent is being added to cocaine cuts because it has higher addictive qualities than straight cocaine. But coke is a more recreational drug vs heroin, so the users don't have the tolerances that heroin addicts, etc... build up, so a lot of them are getting caught out there.

This supplants earlier theories that users were perhaps speed balling, and getting straight fent mixed with cut, or that dealers just had bad drug mixing procedures. 

P.S. Coke cut with fent is still a small problem here compared to fake/cut downers or heroin, about 4-5% of cocaine samples were coming up adulterated a year or two ago.

[Matt]

The newest theory from our DEA is that fent is being added to cocaine cuts because it has higher addictive qualities than straight cocaine. But coke is a more recreational drug vs heroin, so the users don't have the tolerances that heroin addicts, etc... build up, so a lot of them are getting caught out there.

This supplants earlier theories that users were perhaps speed balling, and getting straight fent mixed with cut, or that dealers just had bad drug mixing procedures.

There was a 2019 movie called "Running With the Devil" starring Nicholas Cage and Lawrence Fishburne that covered this topic.

I thought this Fentanyl mixture was just something happening in my neck of the woods...but no. It's North American-wide.

The Chinese are selling masses of Fentanyl very cheaply to Mexico, which then gets imported into the USA.

[Humble Narcissist]

There was a 2019 movie called "Running With the Devil" starring Nicholas Cage and Lawrence Fishburne that covered this topic.

I thought this Fentanyl mixture was just something happening in my neck of the woods...but no. It's North American-wide.

The Chinese are selling masses of Fentanyl very cheaply to Mexico, which then gets imported into the USA.

You sure it wasn't Samuel L Jackson?

[Van_Bilderass]

The newest theory from our DEA is that fent is being added to cocaine cuts because it has higher addictive qualities than straight cocaine. But coke is a more recreational drug vs heroin, so the users don't have the tolerances that heroin addicts, etc... build up, so a lot of them are getting caught out there.

This supplants earlier theories that users were perhaps speed balling, and getting straight fent mixed with cut, or that dealers just had bad drug mixing procedures. 

P.S. Coke cut with fent is still a small problem here compared to fake/cut downers or heroin, about 4-5% of cocaine samples were coming up adulterated a year or two ago.

Thanks, so there are theories, they aren't sure what's going on.
 
If 4-5% of street coke has fent in it that's crazy.

There's another big problem with the intentional adulteration of coke to create more addicts. Serms to me it would completely IMPOSSIBLE to cut coke with fent and get the dosage right. Think about it, a proper dose of fent, even if you are an opiate addict, is basically so little you can't even see it. How in the hell would you properly cut the coke outside of some NASA level lab lol.

I'm sure I could learn more by googling but I'm too lazy. But I'm just surprised almost no one questions it, how it would be done in practice etc.

[robcguns]

You sure it wasn't Samuel L Jackson?

Is was Samuel L Washington I believe.

[LurkerNoMore]

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this is fair and correct

He's just upset that he was never invited back to D&D night after making his barbarian wear a dress the entire first night.

[Taffin]

Is was Samuel L Washington I believe.

Loved him in Jerry McGuire 

[Taffin]

He's just upset that he was never invited back to D&D night after making his barbarian wear a dress the entire first night.

Parsh

[wazhazbin]

I read a book once on the Dangers of Alcohol & Drugs - it frightened the Crap out of Me.
I said there & then that's it I'm never Reading another Fooking Book again.

haha that's great!!

[Matt]

agreed.   why put a downer in with uppers. 
coke is usually spiked (as opposed to cut) with meth as its cheaper per effect and more addictive; which dealers always want.

apparently you can replicate the effect of an 80mg oxycontin pill with a few grains of fentanyl. most half decent sized dealers have binding agents and pill compress machines. so for pennies cost they can make a benign talc powder and mix in a couple grains of fentanyl and save the $10-20 dealer cost of the oxy. its fine until the guy with serious oxy attenuation takes 5 of these fakes and has not attenuated to fentanyl and overdoses immediately.

i've heard they also mix it with ecstasy not sure why.


allegedly

Watch the Nicolas Cage movie "Running With the Devil".