stirring the pot......

[sculpture]

Dorian by the end was appaling and an absolute disgrace of a bber. Torn muscles everywhere, a ever increasing gut and torso yet his arms remained the same size thus even looked worse than they did at the start of his career. I bet the weiders asked him to retire because even they couldnt face awarding him another title when there were several superior men standing on stage.

Sad.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, you keeping saying that other people are saying that Coleman would have beat Yates because ronnie was bigger.

If you actually read what we are saying, size is nothing.

You will note that Ronnie at his best was about 10 pounds LESS than Dorian at his best.

Dorian would be bigger.

but that is the problem: bigger is not better.

Coleman (even though he would weigh slightly less than Yates) would have:

-better arms.
-better quads
-better glutes/hams
-better chest
-better back double bi
-better looking lats due to a much better taper
-better vascularity
-more striations
-better muscle shape, esp. thighs, arms, delts...

ronnie was 247 at the AC, Dorian was 257 in 1993.

Dorian would technically be bigger.
Ronnie would be worlds better for the reasons that I mentioned above. 

Size is irrelevant when the difference is only 10 pounds.


its muscle quality, taper and shape that really counts.

Its quality NOT quantity , but Dorian would have 10 pounds more of quality muscle couple that with being about one inch shorter and that makes a difference

And you can pick out better parts , or better shape and I can counter , but the bottom line is who would look best in the mandatories and Yates' would have an egde in most of them !! and you wouldn't thus we gain no ground !!  

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian by the end was appaling and an absolute disgrace of a bber. Torn muscles everywhere, a ever increasing gut and torso yet his arms remained the same size thus even looked worse than they did at the start of his career. I bet the weiders asked him to retire because even they couldnt face awarding him another title when there were several superior men standing on stage.

Sad.

How ironic Yates & Coleman started off great and ended up not so great !!

[LuciusFox]

Its quality NOT quantity , but Dorian would have 10 pounds more of quality muscle couple that with being about one inch shorter and that makes a difference

And you can pick out better parts , or better shape and I can counter , but the bottom line is who would look best in the mandatories and Yates' would have an egde in most of them !! and you wouldn't thus we gain no ground !!  

  Ronnie would win 5 out of 7 mandatories.

[Hulkster]

  Ronnie would win 5 out of 7 mandatories.

actually, 6 out of 8 (most muscular is a mandatory pose).

Ronnie would lose the side tri and ab and thigh, and thats it.

not even close

[LuciusFox]

actually, 6 out of 8 (most muscular is a mandatory pose).

Ronnie would lose the side tri and ab and thigh, and thats it.

not even close

  That looks right to me. He would definitely dominate.

[NarcissisticDeity]

actually, 6 out of 8 (most muscular is a mandatory pose).

Ronnie would lose the side tri and ab and thigh, and thats it.

not even close

Side tri , side chest , front & rear latspreads and Ronnie most muscluar at the ASC wasn't that spectatcular , so give that to Yates , and ab-thigh 6 out of 8 for Yates and the other two are gifts , from me to you .

[LuciusFox]

Side tri , side chest , front & rear latspreads and Ronnie most muscluar at the ASC wasn't that spectatcular , so give that to Yates , and ab-thigh 6 out of 8 for Yates and the other two are gifts , from me to you .

 Ronnie would take side chest, front and rear latspreads, most muscular, front and rear double biceps. That's 6 out of 8, at his best.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie would take side chest, front and rear latspreads, most muscular, front and rear double biceps. That's 6 out of 8, at his best.

Ronnie's cant even do a proper sidechest and his delts tend to dominate that pose , same thing with the front latspread , he can't do it and looks odd trying to pull it off , his rear latspread looks good but Yates' is better , front & rear double biceps I'm torn on , you think Ronnie should win just based on better biceps  I don't , I say the front double bicep in 93 Yates' was pre-tear and his biceps looked great and he has better balance & porportion on both the back & front shots , but yell give Ronnie both of these shots , mostmuscular a 245lb Ronnie or a 257lbs Dorian !! you do the math .

[LuciusFox]

Ronnie's cant even do a proper sidechest and his delts tend to dominate that pose , same thing with the front latspread , he can't do it and looks odd trying to pull it off , his rear latspread looks good but Yates' is better , front & rear double biceps I'm torn on , you think Ronnie should win just based on better biceps  I don't , I say the front double bicep in 93 Yates' was pre-tear and his biceps looked great and he has better balance & porportion on both the back & front shots , but yell give Ronnie both of these shots , mostmuscular a 245lb Ronnie or a 257lbs Dorian !! you do the math .

 No, Ronnie wins 6 out of 8.

[sculpture]

Ronnie's cant even do a proper sidechest and his delts tend to dominate that pose , same thing with the front latspread , he can't do it and looks odd trying to pull it off , his rear latspread looks good but Yates' is better , front & rear double biceps I'm torn on , you think Ronnie should win just based on better biceps  I don't , I say the front double bicep in 93 Yates' was pre-tear and his biceps looked great and he has better balance & porportion on both the back & front shots , but yell give Ronnie both of these shots , mostmuscular a 245lb Ronnie or a 257lbs Dorian !! you do the math .

Size isnt every thing ND. Once again blatant hypocrisy. Cutler outweights dexter jackson by a good 40lbs but is his most muscular better?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Size isnt every thing ND. Once again blatant hypocrisy. Cutler outweights dexter jackson by a good 40lbs but is his most muscular better?

That depends on who you ask , some prefer Dex & others Jay .

[Hulkster]

ND you are  completely retarded if you think that Yates most muscular beats Ronnie's at the AC:



granted, this is a mm variation, but its quality destroys anything that Yates ever presented.

the only reason why you say that his mm at the AC wasn't great is because there are no good shot of it.

I have the flex coverage of the AC where Ronnie won, but I do not have a scanner. On the opening page it shows Kamali and Ronnie doing a most muscular.

You have to see it to believe how good Ronnie looks in it.

[Hulkster]

front double bi to yates?

side chest to yates?

rear double bi to Yates?

ND you have lost your mind.

See, everyone can see that Ronnie (had) amazing quality in his pre-gut best..

You seem to be the only one who can see it with Yates.

[NarcissisticDeity]

front double bi to yates?

side chest to yates?

rear double bi to Yates?

ND you have lost your mind.

See, everyone can see that Ronnie (had) amazing quality in his pre-gut best..

You seem to be the only one who can see it with Yates.

Have you lost your mind? Ronnie had a gut at his best !!   

[LuciusFox]

Have you lost your mind? Ronnie had a gut at his best !!   

  Great job showing a non-contest picture.

[Hulkster]

that is not to say dorian did not have great quality, but when you stand next to THIS:



when you look like THIS:



there is NO WAY that you are going to win.  two totally different classes of bodybuilders.

[Hulkster]

Have you lost your mind? Ronnie had a gut at his best !!   

and Yates didn't?


your desperation is sad.

Admit it ND- Ronnie would crush dorian if they competed at their bests. two different classes  - one has much more quality than the other.

[LuciusFox]

that is not to say dorian did not have great quality, but when you stand next to THIS:



when you look like THIS:



there is NO WAY that you are going to win.  two totally different classes of bodybuilders.

 Dorian's arms look like someone got a mannequin from the clothing store, hollowed out its arms, and starting shovelling shit down them

[nicorulez]

ND, you are a Greek travesty.  Despite incontrovertible evidence, you persist in your delusions.  If I were a psychiatrist, I would be prescibing Geodon or Haldol to you.  Any person without bias can clearly see that Yate's looked like crap after 1994.  He may have been hard, but nowhere near the condition of his famous B&W film photos, which a respected member on the board clearly informs that digitized colored photos into B&W are not equal.  Moreover, his symmetry was appalling.  From the front Nasser destroyed him.  If Nasser had a back equal to Levrone's, he would have won.  Coleman was largely overlooked until late 1997.  That is a fact.  If the judges were not biased (hardly the case in the IFBB but stay with me), Ronnie would have won easily.  Yates looked like shit.  He looked good one year, maybe decent in 1995 but he still had that torn bicep.  The other years were a joke.  If Haney were around, he would have won.  Yates may have taken him in 1993, but who is to say Haney wouldn't have gotten jacked on the gear and come in 10 pounds heavier also.  Every statement you make is regurgitated.  Your points are asinine.  How a respected poster became a sandbox to tout a very average Mr. Olympia after 1993 is beyond me and many others.  As far as overlooking an athlete, I can point out our current Branch Warren. Yes he has gotten better, but not so much that he has appeared out of the blue this year.  When he first became a pro, many a scribe wondered how this guy placed so low.  If you can honestly state that nobody ever got screwed in an IFBB pro show, I got some beach property in Nevada I want to sell you.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND you are  completely retarded if you think that Yates most muscular beats Ronnie's at the AC:

]
granted, this is a mm variation, but its quality destroys anything that Yates ever presented.

the only reason why you say that his mm at the AC wasn't great is because there are no good shot of it.

I have the flex coverage of the AC where Ronnie won, but I do not have a scanner. On the opening page it shows Kamali and Ronnie doing a most muscular.

You have to see it to believe how good Ronnie looks in it.

You know what you have a point its much better than the other one , he does look great in this shot , he isn't dwarfing Dennis but his conditioning is just sick , but look how his biceps just dominate this pose , it really makes hise chest & delts look small .

[NarcissisticDeity]

  Great job showing a non-contest picture.

Thats from the 2001 ACS !! 

[LuciusFox]

Thats from the 2001 ACS !! 

 Yeah, I'm sure he competed against Vickie Gates

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, you are a Greek travesty.  Despite incontrovertible evidence, you persist in your delusions.  If I were a psychiatrist, I would be prescibing Geodon or Haldol to you.  Any person without bias can clearly see that Yate's looked like crap after 1994.  He may have been hard, but nowhere near the condition of his famous B&W film photos, which a respected member on the board clearly informs that digitized colored photos into B&W are not equal.  Moreover, his symmetry was appalling.  From the front Nasser destroyed him.  If Nasser had a back equal to Levrone's, he would have won.  Coleman was largely overlooked until late 1997.  That is a fact.  If the judges were not biased (hardly the case in the IFBB but stay with me), Ronnie would have won easily.  Yates looked like shit.  He looked good one year, maybe decent in 1995 but he still had that torn bicep.  The other years were a joke.  If Haney were around, he would have won.  Yates may have taken him in 1993, but who is to say Haney wouldn't have gotten jacked on the gear and come in 10 pounds heavier also.  Every statement you make is regurgitated.  Your points are asinine.  How a respected poster became a sandbox to tout a very average Mr. Olympia after 1993 is beyond me and many others.  As far as overlooking an athlete, I can point out our current Branch Warren. Yes he has gotten better, but not so much that he has appeared out of the blue this year.  When he first became a pro, many a scribe wondered how this guy placed so low.  If you can honestly state that nobody ever got screwed in an IFBB pro show, I got some beach property in Nevada I want to sell you.

You tend to get to emotional when posting , seriously , and " incontrovertible evidence " is nothing more than your opinion , which at the end of the day is worth about just as much as mine , maybe Ronnie would make Dorian look like an amatuer , and maybe Dorian would put Ronnie in his place again , who knows? at the end of the day its just spectulation on an internet message board , don't get to envloved lol

[Hulkster]

BUT GETBIG IS MY LIFE!!!