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True, for better or worse, Trump is fully consistent on this. The one who is squirming is Ron DeSantis. He is between a rock and a hard place on this one, given the way the nation leans.

I don't think DeSantis is squirming at all. Again, why let the left beat on him unnecessarily, if you can squeeze another 4 years out of Trump?

Save DeSantis for 2028. Plus, I still want him as FL's governor, especially after he slapped Orange County mayor, Jerry Demings, and kept him from turning Orlando into NYC or Chicago during the 2020 lockdowns.

Abelard Lindsey · « **Reply #208 on:** June 25, 2022, 05:05:36 PM »

If you were trying to force a needle in my arm last year, then I don't want to hear you say "my body, my choice" now.

OAK · « **Reply #209 on:** June 25, 2022, 05:48:31 PM »

That’s for sure!

🙁

OAK · « **Reply #210 on:** June 25, 2022, 06:02:52 PM »

Quote from: Abelard Lindsey on June 25, 2022, 05:05:36 PM

If you were trying to force a needle in my arm last year, then I don't want to hear you say "my body, my choice" now.

I see what you’re saying.

🙂

Abelard Lindsey · « **Reply #211 on:** June 25, 2022, 06:30:47 PM »

I'm both pro-choice and anti mandatory vaccination.

So, I am consistently pro-liberty.

OAK · « **Reply #212 on:** June 25, 2022, 06:45:26 PM »

Quote from: Abelard Lindsey on June 25, 2022, 06:30:47 PM

I'm both pro-choice and anti mandatory vaccination.

So, I am consistently pro-liberty.

Vaccines were never “mandatory” so your post makes ABSOLUTELY no sense.

Hope this helps.

🙂

Hypertrophy · « **Reply #213 on:** June 25, 2022, 06:59:28 PM »

Quote from: OAK on June 25, 2022, 06:45:26 PM

Vaccines were never “mandatory” so your post makes ABSOLUTELY no sense.

Hope this helps.

🙂

Say what? If you were a federal employee in the US they certainly were, and still are. I was approached by the Department of Energy last year for a research project at the Savannah River Site (South Carolina). But only on the condition that I got the mandatory vaccination. I passed.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/09/09/executive-order-on-requiring-coronavirus-disease-2019-vaccination-for-federal-employees/

OAK · « **Reply #214 on:** June 25, 2022, 07:08:59 PM »

Quote from: Hypertrophy on June 25, 2022, 06:59:28 PM

Say what? If you were a federal employee in the US they certainly were, and still are. I was approached by the Department of Energy last year for a research project at the Savannah River Site (South Carolina). But only on the condition that I got the mandatory vaccination. I passed.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/09/09/executive-order-on-requiring-coronavirus-disease-2019-vaccination-for-federal-employees/

You had a choice. You chose not to get vaccinated.

Mandatory vaccination means it is required by law.

mphgrove · « **Reply #215 on:** June 25, 2022, 07:30:20 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on June 25, 2022, 04:57:11 PM

I don't think DeSantis is squirming at all. Again, why let the left beat on him unnecessarily, if you can squeeze another 4 years out of Trump?

Save DeSantis for 2028. Plus, I still want him as FL's governor, especially after he slapped Orange County mayor, Jerry Demings, and kept him from turning Orlando into NYC or Chicago during the 2020 lockdowns.

Four more years of Trump is highly unlikely, especially now. DeSantis, however has a good chance in either 2024 or 2028, whichever. But the abortion issue, just like the economy (and unlike all the investigations, etc), will not go away because it is an everyday matter which will stay in the news and actually be more and more visible as it gets more and more restricted. This presents a real dilemma for DeSantis. But he’s a clever guy, maybe he will figure out how to walk that tightrope. But life just got a lot more complicated for him yesterday.

DeSantis needs to keep the focus on the economy and many unpopular positions of the Left. But abortion will be an Achilles Heel. A strong pro-life position most likely presents little risk in Florida where he is popular, but it will be a big problem in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Virginia, etc (even Georgia) in 2024 or 2028, states where he is not well known yet. Just watch him try to skirt around this and change the subject (my prediction)

BlackMetallic · « **Reply #216 on:** June 25, 2022, 09:04:19 PM »

Quote from: OAK on June 25, 2022, 04:54:12 PM

Of course I can.

EVERYONE was given a choice if they wanted to be vaccinated or not.

Abortion…..not so much.

🙁

Aborted babies have a choice?

Notomorrow · « **Reply #217 on:** June 25, 2022, 09:16:49 PM »

Marijuana is Federally illegal as well yet is does nothing to prevent states from making Marijuana legal. The Federal government is no longer representative of the people and has become a pure figurehead. Time to move to pure states rights. Now states can have control through the votes of the people. California will always have legal abortion, but if some Conservative states majority doesn't want it, ban it and women that want it can go to California on an abortion vacation. The country is fractured beyond repair and the states need to de facto secede and let state by state vote in their own laws. We can still call it the USA but we are not a united country. It's over.

OAK · « **Reply #218 on:** June 25, 2022, 09:19:11 PM »

Quote from: BlackMetallic on June 25, 2022, 09:04:19 PM

Aborted babies have a choice?

I don’t believe they are capable of making a choice.

If you believe differently can you explain?

MCWAY · « **Reply #219 on:** June 25, 2022, 09:31:19 PM »

Quote from: mphgrove on June 25, 2022, 07:30:20 PM

Four more years of Trump is highly unlikely, especially now. DeSantis, however has a good chance in either 2024 or 2028, whichever. But the abortion issue, just like the economy (and unlike all the investigations, etc), will not go away because it is an everyday matter which will stay in the news and actually be more and more visible as it gets more and more restricted. This presents a real dilemma for DeSantis. But he’s a clever guy, maybe he will figure out how to walk that tightrope. But life just got a lot more complicated for him yesterday.

DeSantis needs to keep the focus on the economy and many unpopular positions of the Left. But abortion will be an Achilles Heel. A strong pro-life position most likely presents little risk in Florida where he is popular, but it will be a big problem in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Virginia, etc (even Georgia) in 2024 or 2028, states where he is not well known yet. Just watch him try to skirt around this and change the subject (my prediction)

But, Trump won most of the states you mentioned in 2016, when he flat-out stated, he'd appoint judges who are pro-life and would reverse Roe.

With Biden's utter buffoonery, which will have the Dems getting skinned alive, coupled with Trump handing the right the BIGGEST political win ever, The Donald is quite viable.

We all know that, no matter who the GOP selects, the media will paint him to be Satan-incarnate. A rematch in 2024 would be president vs president. Biden has squandered virtually all the good will he had (deservedly so or not), when it came to handling coronavirus, the economy, or bringing the country back to "normal".

And Trump crushes everybody else the Dems can put up, if they decide to abandon Sleepy Joe.

Flexacon · « **Reply #220 on:** June 25, 2022, 10:01:03 PM »

I haven't followed this particular news thread and who is doing what exactly, but it's mid-term elections this year right.

I would bet whatever is going on with this right now, it is just being used as a tool to divide people across party lines and infuriate them into voting later this year.

Maybe someone can piece it all together. When it comes to voters who exactly will this mobilize? Who stands to gain from all this come the mid terms.

OAK · « **Reply #221 on:** June 25, 2022, 10:14:23 PM »

Nailed it!

Tapeworm · « **Reply #222 on:** June 25, 2022, 11:07:16 PM »

Not reading 9 pages.

At least now both sides are fed up with government interference in their lives. Leftists were getting awfully Statist and this is a welcome antidote. So instead of arguing about what the government should make people do let's agree it's time for the government to just butt out.

You get your guns, they get their abortions. Maybe other people would be doing things you don't like but at least no one would be telling you what you can't/must do. That's liberty.

mphgrove · « **Reply #223 on:** June 25, 2022, 11:24:52 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on June 25, 2022, 09:31:19 PM

But, Trump won most of the states you mentioned in 2016, when he flat-out stated, he'd appoint judges who are pro-life and would reverse Roe.

With Biden's utter buffoonery, which will have the Dems getting skinned alive, coupled with Trump handing the right the BIGGEST political win ever, The Donald is quite viable.

We all know that, no matter who the GOP selects, the media will paint him to be Satan-incarnate. A rematch in 2024 would be president vs president. Biden has squandered virtually all the good will he had (deservedly so or not), when it came to handling coronavirus, the economy, or bringing the country back to "normal".

And Trump crushes everybody else the Dems can put up, if they decide to abandon Sleepy Joe.

Looking at Trump, he won most of those states in 2016 then lost all of them in 2020 and has higher disapproval now than when he lost them. You are correct about Biden’s unpopularity so a Trump victory in a Biden/Trump matchup is a possibility. Your hypothesis is that Biden voters will switch back to Trump but I think he has lost those people for good. Maybe he can get a higher percentage of Latinos but the suburban women who are on the fence between Democrats and Republicans are gone for good for Trump, especially with the abortion reversal and possible fears regarding contraception infringement. But I admit none of us have a perfect crystal ball.

I just do not see Trump. But another Republican without his baggage is a strong possibility. But it cannot be someone like Pence who wants to make any and all abortions in all circumstances illegal. Abortion will absolutely remain in the news no matter what anyone says. And by the way, saying you will appoint conservative judges (back in 2016) and now having the abortion reversal actually take place are 100 percent different things.

https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2022-06-07/persuadable-voters-favor-gop-over-democrats-until-trump-is-mentioned-poll

Gym-Rat · « **Reply #224 on:** June 26, 2022, 06:32:24 AM »

Quote from: OAK on June 25, 2022, 10:14:23 PM

Nailed it!

But the right arent murderers, this comes from the BLM/Black left.

Nice libturd meme you fucking jackass retard.