Guru Ameen charged with murder

[Dalnet]

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Haman was a vet in the game. It boggles the mind that with his experience, he'd still trust a bro scientist with such sketchy, weird compounds
It just goes to show you people aren't always as they appear . A family man he was an addict.I think it goes into the industry with slot of these guys risky behavior not stopping at just steroids. All kinds of stimulants and other recreation drugs.

I suppose counteracting high dosages brings about a plethora of crap like not sleeping well - so you turn to sleepers/benzos. Being in pain so you turn to opiates. Before you know it you need uppers in order to counteract the drowsiness to get yourself focused. These guys end up being walking chemical factories. It's a slippery slope.

[Palumboism]

I suppose counteracting high dosages brings about a plethora of crap like not sleeping well - so you turn to sleepers/benzos. Being in pain so you turn to opiates. Before you know it you need uppers in order to counteract the drowsiness to get yourself focused. These guys end up being walking chemical factories. It's a slippery slope.

 The purpose of Ibogaine that Ameen was recommending is opiate addiction.  Andy probably got addicted opiate pain killers and wanted to kick the addiction. 

Ameen would not buy or provide the Ibogaine, but he would assist in administering it.  He charged $20K for his services.

[ProudVirgin69]

Excessive? It's just like going after drug dealers selling fentynol laced drugs.

right, i think its absurd to charge them w murdr too.  increase the sentencing guidelines for distribution of fentanyl, dont stretch the definition of murder/manslaughter to apply to the act of selling drugs just to seem "tough on crime"

[ProudVirgin69]

The purpose of Ibogaine that Ameen was recommending is opiate addiction.  Andy probably got addicted opiate pain killers and wanted to kick the addiction. 

Ameen would not buy or provide the Ibogaine, but he would assist in administering it.

ahh ok this changes things, yeah for better or for worse that easily qualifies as murder/manslaughter

[a_pupil]

The purpose of Ibogaine that Ameen was recommending is opiate addiction.  Andy probably got addicted opiate pain killers and wanted to kick the addiction. 

Ameen would not buy or provide the Ibogaine, but he would assist in administering it.  He charged $20K for his services.

 

Hopefully this'll be the end of the "guru"/drug expert era.

the 90s guys looked 10x better than the current crop and the most they had were personal trainers to make sure they're on point in the gym.

[OlympiaGym]

The purpose of Ibogaine that Ameen was recommending is opiate addiction.  Andy probably got addicted opiate pain killers and wanted to kick the addiction. 

Ameen would not buy or provide the Ibogaine, but he would assist in administering it.  He charged $20K for his services.

Why would he be charged with distribution unless he was somehow part of the supply chain?

The actual charge is illegal distribution of a Schedule I substance, resulting in death not manslaughter or murder as everyone here keeps referencing. The elements of the crime he’s being charged with are different. Also, it’s interesting that this is a federal prosecution not a state one. Wonder if they’re offering him a deal to get the supplier.

[Pet shop boys]

So Is Nick trigily the only guru/couch that hasn't had any criminal charges so far ?

Even Douchete has a criminal record and
lost the privilege to walk on American soil.....


WoooSHHHHHHHHHH The Industry

[Palumboism]

Hopefully this'll be the end of the "guru"/drug expert era.

the 90s guys looked 10x better than the current crop and the most they had were personal trainers to make sure they're on point in the gym.

The guru industry will have strong growth.  It will parallel the growth in pro cards.

[Bevo]

So Shelby Starnes and Chad Nicholls must be charged as serial killers then?

Shelby should be charged as a serial killer just for having that name that is meant for a hot blonde girl, not a bald fucking moron

[ChristopherA]

Hopefully this'll be the end of the "guru"/drug expert era.

the 90s guys looked 10x better than the current crop and the most they had were personal trainers to make sure they're on point in the gym.

Why would it? This has nothing to do with bodybuilding.  He was treating a guys opiate addiction

[AbrahamG]

Why would it? This has nothing to do with bodybuilding.  He was treating a guys opiate addiction

Fuck him and Haman both.  Retards.

[a_pupil]

Why would it? This has nothing to do with bodybuilding.  He was treating a guys opiate addiction

It shows that you're risking death taking medical advice from these guys LARPing as experts. Ameen was supposed to be one of the brightest ones.

We already had the Shelby starnes stuff last year.

[Van_Bilderass]

The purpose of Ibogaine that Ameen was recommending is opiate addiction.  Andy probably got addicted opiate pain killers and wanted to kick the addiction. 

Ameen would not buy or provide the Ibogaine, but he would assist in administering it.  He charged $20K for his services.

I remember Leo saying Ameen would buy Ibogaine off some well known vendor on the net. He spent a hundred bucks and then sold it to desperate addicts for 2 or 3K. Something like that. Ameen said only he had the real high quality stuff but it was all bullshit.

If I'm not mistaken Ameen adviced that guy with the huge belly, forgot his name, on Ibogaine. I remember guys on the net were very critical since the guy had all the contraindications for taking a drug like this. Now I remember the name, Lenny. But he apparently survived.

I've read that an Ibogaine trip is absolute horror, a real nightmare. I don't know if I'd dare to take it even if I "needed" it. And apparently it doesn't work that well. Leo said Ameen is still an addict. He takes ibogaine when he needs to stay clean for a couple of days, like when traveling.

[Van_Bilderass]

It shows that you're risking death taking medical advice from these guys LARPing as experts. Ameen was supposed to be one of the brightest ones.

We already had the Shelby starnes stuff last year.

To me he always seemed like the dumbest one. I was always like "wtf can't you guys see he doesn't know anything?"

[Dalnet]

I remember Leo saying Ameen would buy Ibogaine off some well known vendor on the net. He spent a hundred bucks and then sold it to desperate addicts for 2 or 3K. Something like that. Ameen said only he had the real high quality stuff but it was all bullshit.

If I'm not mistaken Ameen adviced that guy with the huge belly, forgot his name, on Ibogaine. I remember guys on the net were very critical since the guy had all the contraindications for taking a drug like this. Now I remember the name, Lenny. But he apparently survived.

I've read that an Ibogaine trip is absolute horror, a real nightmare. I don't know if I'd dare to take it even if I "needed" it. And apparently it doesn't work that well. Leo said Ameen is still an addict. He takes ibogaine when he needs to stay clean for a couple of days, like when traveling.

I'm no expert on opioids but surely it would be easier to take a batch of prescription tramadol with you if you're travelling? Isn't it a synthetic opioid so therefore would stop withdrawal symptoms in a safer way than tripping your brains out? Maybe tramadol just isn't strong enough for them?

[Dalnet]

Hopefully this'll be the end of the "guru"/drug expert era.

the 90s guys looked 10x better than the current crop and the most they had were personal trainers to make sure they're on point in the gym.

I think the culture back then would have looked down upon a bodybuilder needing 'help'. Getting shit done with your physique was always about your own personal journey. Yeah you get advice from the gym bros/manager when you start out but it's a journey that's most enjoyable on your own. My first cycle was a shitty winny 12 week thing - because I was scared of needles and didn't want to get "too big" and didn't want to bloat up LOL you know what I mean when you're that age and dumb you think you have the potential to look world class if you jumped on everything.

The only coaches bodybuilders probably needed were posing coaches like Shawn Ray had that buddy of his. Arnold took dancing/posing classes with some kind of choreographer. The training itself was just gym bros telling each other and trying their own thing.

[a_pupil]

I remember Leo saying Ameen would buy Ibogaine off some well known vendor on the net. He spent a hundred bucks and then sold it to desperate addicts for 2 or 3K. Something like that. Ameen said only he had the real high quality stuff but it was all bullshit.

If I'm not mistaken Ameen adviced that guy with the huge belly, forgot his name, on Ibogaine. I remember guys on the net were very critical since the guy had all the contraindications for taking a drug like this. Now I remember the name, Lenny. But he apparently survived.

I've read that an Ibogaine trip is absolute horror, a real nightmare. I don't know if I'd dare to take it even if I "needed" it. And apparently it doesn't work that well. Leo said Ameen is still an addict. He takes ibogaine when he needs to stay clean for a couple of days, like when traveling.

Big Lenny has bulletproof genetics. If he didn't get into steroids, he'd have made it to 100.

[a_pupil]

I think the culture back then would have looked down upon a bodybuilder needing 'help'. Getting shit done with your physique was always about your own personal journey. Yeah you get advice from the gym bros/manager when you start out but it's a journey that's most enjoyable on your own. My first cycle was a shitty winny 12 week thing - because I was scared of needles and didn't want to get "too big" and didn't want to bloat up LOL you know what I mean when you're that age and dumb you think you have the potential to look world class if you jumped on everything.

The only coaches bodybuilders probably needed were posing coaches like Shawn Ray had that buddy of his. Arnold took dancing/posing classes with some kind of choreographer. The training itself was just gym bros telling each other and trying their own thing.

I remember starting on 10-15 mg dbol a day. Old school style was to start on low dosages, then adjust as you get more experienced. If you have the genetics, you'll see it from your response to the first few low dose cycles.

Now, guys go on the internet and follow random forumcels saying that test is a must on your first cycle, then they end up on something like 500 mg test, 500 mg deca and 50 mg anavar a day lol.

[Van_Bilderass]

I'm no expert on opioids but surely it would be easier to take a batch of prescription tramadol with you if you're travelling? Isn't it a synthetic opioid so therefore would stop withdrawal symptoms in a safer way than tripping your brains out? Maybe tramadol just isn't strong enough for them?

It's probably not strong enough to let a heroin addict be comfortable. I don't know. Now the other way around, heroin for Tramadol addiction worked for ES here.

If ibogaine can stop withdrawals completely, even for a few days, that sounds amazing.

[Rambone]

Sure he murdered the guy, but did he ameen to do it?

[youandme]

I remember starting on 10-15 mg dbol a day. Old school style was to start on low dosages, then adjust as you get more experienced. If you have the genetics, you'll see it from your response to the first few low dose cycles.

Now, guys go on the internet and follow random forumcels saying that test is a must on your first cycle, then they end up on something like 500 mg test, 500 mg deca and 50 mg anavar a day lol.

Yeah. I remember my first was dbol as well, 25 mg a day. Don’t think I ever got gains like that again other than when I tried tren almost two years later.

Tren was feared and revered back then. Was unusual to go past 6 weeks with it.

[Royalty]

Sure he murdered the guy, but did he ameen to do it?

Andy’s family: “other than 2 decades worth of steroids and opiates, he was drug free, he dindu nuffin”

[Gym Rat]

Hopefully this'll be the end of the "guru"/drug expert era.

the 90s guys looked 10x better than the current crop and the most they had were personal trainers to make sure they're on point in the gym.

I think it's just beginning unfortunately.
I see folks on other forums, just starting, jumping on huge gear cycles, hiring coaches.
They look like they never saw a barbell in their life...

Look at all the gym-idiot videos. Every moron out there thinks they can be Mr. Oilympia... 

[MAXX]

Andy’s family: “other than 2 decades worth of steroids and opiates, he was drug free, he dindu nuffin”

probably beat up his wife from time to time. Idk he just seemed like the type.

[robcguns]

Fuck anyone named Ameen.