Shoulder instability?

[robcguns]

Anyone here have shoulder instability? Went and saw dr today and he said that I have some torn ligaments around the ball of the shoulder which is allowing the ball to dislocate temporarily out of the socket a few times a day. Holy shit when it pops out that hurts like a son of a whore.  Anyone dealt with this?what helped it?

[wes]

Wow,that`s sounds painful bro......never had it and don`t want it.

What`s the solution,surgery?

Good luck brother.

[Krankenstein]

Anyone here have shoulder instability? Went and saw dr today and he said that I have some torn ligaments around the ball of the shoulder which is allowing the ball to dislocate temporarily out of the socket a few times a day. Holy shit when it pops out that hurts like a son of a whore.  Anyone dealt with this?what helped it?

Did they recommend rehab? 

Coracohumeral and glenohumeral ligaments?  Usually most suspected for chronic instability.

You sure its the the ligaments and not tendons?

[robcguns]

Wow,that`s sounds painful bro......never had it and don`t want it.

What`s the solution,surgery?

Good luck brother.

Yeah everytime it slips out it’s brutal pain. Happened around 5 times today. Thank you sir.

He said it should heal on its own in 8-12 weeks or something with rehab.

Did they recommend rehab? 

Coracohumeral and glenohumeral ligaments?  Usually most suspected for chronic instability.

You sure its the the ligaments and not tendons?

He said something about glenoid labrum tear, said rehab could help it.

I know you do or have done this kind of stuff or know about it so what do you think is best course of action?

[Grape Ape]

I know you do or have done this kind of stuff or know about it so what do you think is best course of action?

Do everything he says.

[ChristopherA]

It's just happened out of nowhere? What was the original incident that caused this?

[SF1900]

Yeah everytime it slips out it’s brutal pain. Happened around 5 times today. Thank you sir.

He said it should heal on its own in 8-12 weeks or something with rehab.


He said something about glenoid labrum tear, said rehab could help it.

I know you do or have done this kind of stuff or know about it so what do you think is best course of action?

Rob, never listen to an MD.

Only listen to Getbiggers.

[pamith]

Brutal if true

[robcguns]

It's just happened out of nowhere? What was the original incident that caused this?

I was doing pull ups supersetted with rear delt
And NGB supersetted with crucifix laterals, 10 sets of each so 40 sets nothing out of the ordinary and there was no pain or discomfort while doing this workout but later that night it was brutal and started slipping that was around 2 weeks ago now. I’m guessing it happened during NGB as I always do constant tension style as many as I can do then I rest pause as many as I can on chest each rep for a few seconds and I was doing this then the final rep I could only get halfway up so my buddy came over and pulled it off my chest. If I’m guessing it was that that caused it.

[Tapeworm]

Coach took the time to PM with me about impingement issues years go. I'm still grateful to him for pointing out what was plainly obvious to him, since he's a professional, but it was absolute gold to an uninformed dork like me.

If you need an MD, scans, etc, then that's what you need but imo Coach is worth checking in with. He's seen a lot and has lots to share.

Things will come good for you, Rob. You're a goddamn weapon. Whatever it takes to get there, I know that's what you're going to do.

Nursing a cracked rib here at the moment. 3 days off from throwing boards then back to working over Easter weekend. Team Timex.

[robcguns]

Coach took the time to PM with me about impingement issues years go. I'm still grateful to him for pointing out what was plainly obvious to him, since he's a professional, but it was absolute gold to an uninformed dork like me.

If you need an MD, scans, etc, then that's what you need but imo Coach is worth checking in with.

Things will come good for you, Rob. You're a goddamn weapon. Whatever it takes to get there, I know that's what you're going to do.

Nursing a cracked rib here at the moment. 3 days off from throwing boards then back to working over Easter weekend. Team Timex.

I will check in with coach definitley. Thank you for that Tapeworm, Right now it seems I can do light arm work if I stay very stable so last couple days I’m doing light arms,forearms,abs and legs and calfs for now and I’m good with that so hopefully can get back to the other stuff eventually. Appreciate the encouragement.

[ChristopherA]

I was doing pull ups supersetted with rear delt
And NGB supersetted with crucifix laterals, 10 sets of each so 40 sets nothing out of the ordinary and there was no pain or discomfort while doing this workout but later that night it was brutal and started slipping that was around 2 weeks ago now. I’m guessing it happened during NGB as I always do constant tension style as many as I can do then I rest pause as many as I can on chest each rep for a few seconds and I was doing this then the final rep I could only get halfway up so my buddy came over and pulled it off my chest. If I’m guessing it was that that caused it.

That's wild that it wasn't some kind of serious trauma that caused it! Just woking out? I had a bad AC separation last summer, probably grade 3. That was from crashing racing motocross. I went shoulder first into the ground at speed. Even with that my shoulder never popped in and out

[bhank]

Yeah everytime it slips out it’s brutal pain. Happened around 5 times today. Thank you sir.

He said it should heal on its own in 8-12 weeks or something with rehab.


He said something about glenoid labrum tear, said rehab could help it.

I know you do or have done this kind of stuff or know about it so what do you think is best course of action?

I had my labrum repaired if you don’t get it done it will keep slipping and you will get damage to the ball socket which I have now

[IroNat]

Anyone here have shoulder instability? Went and saw dr today and he said that I have some torn ligaments around the ball of the shoulder which is allowing the ball to dislocate temporarily out of the socket a few times a day. Holy shit when it pops out that hurts like a son of a whore.  Anyone dealt with this?what helped it?

I'm going to post what you already really know...

Some exercise(s) in your training was causing the impingement (obviously).
What is impingement?  Two surfaces rubbing on one another.
Or it could be just too much intense activity.
Too much volume can irritate the joint, causing inflammation and swelling of tissues which results in impingement.
Once the tissues are irritated further activity only exacerbates the problem.

Likely this problem has been coming on for awhile and now has reached a head.

This is a pretty intense workout you did involving the shoulder joint:

I was doing pull ups supersetted with rear delt
And NGB supersetted with crucifix laterals, 10 sets of each so 40 sets nothing out of the ordinary and there was no pain or discomfort while doing this workout but later that night it was brutal and started slipping that was around 2 weeks ago now. I’m guessing it happened during NGB as I always do constant tension style as many as I can do then I rest pause as many as I can on chest each rep for a few seconds and I was doing this then the final rep I could only get halfway up so my buddy came over and pulled it off my chest.

You can self heal but it will take time, months.
Shoulder surgeries are risky.
Surgeons like to perform surgery so they usually advise it.
Any surgery is risky.  Surgeons screw up more often that we like to think, infection is possible, etc.
Unfortunately, like back surgery (even worse) it is often unsuccessful.

It's not easy to take extended time off from training which involves the shoulder but it's often the only remedy.
Rehab therapy during the healing process often only irritates the tissues and further inhibits healing.


With these in mind what is the cure?

Answer:

Stop training the injured area until no pain.  Arm training involves the shoulder joint so it's an irritant also.
After no pain resume activity but very lightly until the connective tissues are toughened.
Beware of physical therapy.  It can just irritate the joint.

The hardest part of this is the mental part.  You have to stop training the area until healed and it will be at least several months or more. 
Could take up to a year in fact.

Review your workout below from 12/6/22.

Do you seen what might have resulted in inflammation of your shoulder joint? 


Alternate db curls 45x30,50x25,55x20,60x17,65x14,70x12,75x10,80x6,85x3.
Superset
Overhead db extensions 60x30,70x25,80x20,90x17,100x14,110x11,120x8,130x6,140x4.

Weighted dips bw+90lbs 6 sets 10-20.
Superset
Chins 6 sets bw 12-6

It really isn't anything bad but over time and if you tweak it wrong somewhere, sometimes it can compound and then you have a real problem, which is where you are now. 

Get well.  Be smart about it.  Heal up.

It sucks.

[Marty Champions]

if youre eating a diet that causes hair loss expect other losses along the way.  U might need to use tuning forks to resonate your muscles back to form. Wilhelm reich device will help i think he may have been a nazi science boy who turned a new leaf

[robcguns]

That's wild that it wasn't some kind of serious trauma that caused it! Just woking out? I had a bad AC separation last summer, probably grade 3. That was from crashing racing motocross. I went shoulder first into the ground at speed. Even with that my shoulder never popped in and out

Yeah only thing that I can think of is I’ve been doing crazy laterals,pull ups,dips and shrugs and NGB and it’s just been wearing down. I never trained shoulders much at all in last 5 years but for the last year I’ve been doing them every other day.

I had my labrum repaired if you don’t get it done it will keep slipping and you will get damage to the ball socket which I have now

This sounds pretty shitty. Does yours still slip or just have some pain?

I'm going to post what you already really know...

Some exercise(s) in your training was causing the impingement (obviously).
What is impingement?  Two surfaces rubbing on one another.
Or it could be just too much intense activity.
Too much volume can irritate the joint, causing inflammation and swelling of tissues which results in impingement.
Once the tissues are irritated further activity only exacerbates the problem.

Likely this problem has been coming on for awhile and now has reached a head.

This is a pretty intense workout you did involving the shoulder joint:

I was doing pull ups supersetted with rear delt
And NGB supersetted with crucifix laterals, 10 sets of each so 40 sets nothing out of the ordinary and there was no pain or discomfort while doing this workout but later that night it was brutal and started slipping that was around 2 weeks ago now. I’m guessing it happened during NGB as I always do constant tension style as many as I can do then I rest pause as many as I can on chest each rep for a few seconds and I was doing this then the final rep I could only get halfway up so my buddy came over and pulled it off my chest.

You can self heal but it will take time, months.
Shoulder surgeries are risky.
Surgeons like to perform surgery so they usually advise it.
Any surgery is risky.  Surgeons screw up more often that we like to think, infection is possible, etc.
Unfortunately, like back surgery (even worse) it is often unsuccessful.

It's not easy to take extended time off from training which involves the shoulder but it's often the only remedy.
Rehab therapy during the healing process often only irritates the tissues and further inhibits healing.


With these in mind what is the cure?

Answer:

Stop training the injured area until no pain.  Arm training involves the shoulder joint so it's an irritant also.
After no pain resume activity but very lightly until the connective tissues are toughened.
Beware of physical therapy.  It can just irritate the joint.

The hardest part of this is the mental part.  You have to stop training the area until healed and it will be at least several months or more. 
Could take up to a year in fact.

Review your workout below from 12/6/22.

Do you seen what might have resulted in inflammation of your shoulder joint? 


Alternate db curls 45x30,50x25,55x20,60x17,65x14,70x12,75x10,80x6,85x3.
Superset
Overhead db extensions 60x30,70x25,80x20,90x17,100x14,110x11,120x8,130x6,140x4.

Weighted dips bw+90lbs 6 sets 10-20.
Superset
Chins 6 sets bw 12-6

It really isn't anything bad but over time and if you tweak it wrong somewhere, sometimes it can compound and then you have a real problem, which is where you are now. 

Get well.  Be smart about it.  Heal up.

It sucks.

You are right Ironat,no question. Just gonna be real hard to not lift at all. Not sure I can do it. I can not do chest,shoulders,traps,back but to not do some arms is prob not gonna happen. I’ve been doing real light so no strain on shoulder and reps around 75-100 just for a crazy pump. I know I’m an idiot but…

[Taffin]

Much better people on here to offer advices about this, but for what it's worth:

I injured my shoulder high-diving when I was 16 years old.  Other than wearing a sling for a while I did no rehab, just let youth do it's thing over that Autumn.  Fast forward to 22 and I'm well into weight-training, and rip that sucker again using shit form on a pec deck (too much weight and forward rotation, pushing from the wrists instead of elbows)

This time I sought help - the usual rotator cuff damage diagnosed - declined steroid injections and instead painfully rehabbed it with those standard internal/external rotation exercises (either lying on my side on a bench with weight, or standing by a hip height cable station - you know the drill.  Worked well for me, and to this day I'll still do some int/ext warmups (although I've hardly used a pec deck since)



Edit: having now read IroNat's thorough post, I realise why my attempts at rehab were so painful!!)

[Taffin]

Oh, and jack off with your other arm for a while 

[wes]

if youre eating a diet that causes hair loss expect other losses along the way.  U might need to use tuning forks to resonate your muscles back to form. Wilhelm reich device will help i think he may have been a nazi science boy who turned a new leaf

WTF    

[funk51]

 

     

                                       I've dislocated my shoulder and torn my rotator cuff. never got operated on either. just did rehab exercises. i used to like the hand bike.

[IroNat]

Oh, and jack off with your other arm for a while 

Too difficult.

 

[LurkerNoMore]

Wait until you have healed to do any kind of extensive physical therapy.  Doing it now will only cause more inflammation and irritation to the area.

Also, even after you have healed and feel no pain or tightness continue to do some kind of target work on that area.  I know a lot of people that self healed and a couple of years later started having issues with arthritis in the shoulder area (pain, mobility impairment, etc..)  Once that sets in, it is a real bitch to overcome.  It doesn't really go away unless you have it scoped out.

[Fortress]

Wish I had something to offer, brother.

[IroNat]

Did you have an MRI on the shoulder?

It's difficult for a correct diagnosis without one.  Soft tissues don't show up on x-rays.

I'll wager that this will clear up after a few weeks to a month leaving it alone.

Might take longer of course.

Take ibuproefen for a few days to reduce the inflammation and pain. 

Don't be fooled by the reduction in pain from the ibuproefen.  This doesn't mean you are ok to train.

Ironat GDCS (Getbig Doctor of Common Sense)

[joswift]

no more shoulder pressing, just do lateral raises

I never overhead press