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« Reply #20250 on: October 18, 2024, 12:19:48 PM »
- Hey man, what did you do for your workout today?

- I some pull ups.

- Which kind?  The ones with the bar...or when you are on the ground.

- On the ground.   I supersetted it with incline bench pulls and then I did some high rep flat bench dumbell pulls


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« Reply #20251 on: October 18, 2024, 12:20:45 PM »
no, I cant think of a single one muscles contract to exert force and relax to expand to normal length zero force required

I can think of an example in birds, a birds feet contract when relaxed, that how they can fall asleep on a branch, it takes effort to open them

I am not sure what you are even arguing (I already said the direction of the muscle's force will be in the shortening direction, this seemingly agrees with your dissertation here).  A muscle can lengthen when it is producing force, this is very common and normal and happens in most exercises where the weight ends up back where it started.

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« Reply #20252 on: October 18, 2024, 12:29:15 PM »

the eccentric contraction there is gravity, it used zero force to go down
You can resist on the way down but thats still not the muscle contracting

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« Reply #20253 on: October 18, 2024, 03:58:44 PM »
no, I cant think of a single one muscles contract to exert force and relax to expand to normal length zero force required


Bench press ???
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« Reply #20254 on: October 18, 2024, 04:02:45 PM »
Muscles can only contract.

Muscles are still contracted when lengthening on eccentric movements.

It's called an eccentric contraction.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6510035/

https://www.kenhub.com/en/library/physiology/eccentric-muscle-contraction

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« Reply #20255 on: October 18, 2024, 04:08:42 PM »

the eccentric contraction there is gravity, it used zero force to go down
You can resist on the way down but thats still not the muscle contracting

I refuse to believe you've been training this long and think there is zero force in muscles during eccentric contractions.  I think you are just arguing because you hate being wrong and are stubborn.

Eccentric is when the force is the greatest.

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« Reply #20256 on: October 18, 2024, 04:11:16 PM »

the eccentric contraction there is gravity, it used zero force to go down
You can resist on the way down but thats still not the muscle contracting

On a pull down, the eccentric isn't gravity....on a tricep extension (sorry, pull) the eccentric isn't gravity

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« Reply #20257 on: October 18, 2024, 04:12:23 PM »
I am still awaiting this evidence that we were never meant to do overhead pressing.  Hopefully it will come before a 500# deadlift

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« Reply #20258 on: October 18, 2024, 04:26:15 PM »
I am still awaiting this evidence that we were never meant to do overhead pressing.  Hopefully it will come before a 500# deadlift
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whats the primary cause of rotator cuff injuries?

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« Reply #20259 on: October 18, 2024, 04:46:59 PM »
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whats the primary cause of rotator cuff injuries?
Throwing a football/baseball?
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« Reply #20260 on: October 18, 2024, 04:59:31 PM »
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whats the primary cause of rotator cuff injuries?

Swinging from vines in the jungle?

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« Reply #20261 on: October 18, 2024, 05:04:01 PM »
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whats the primary cause of rotator cuff injuries?

Well, be more specific...there are 4 muscles that comprise the rotator cuff.

Rather than answer the question, you dodge and weave like Hankins.  How many times have I asked you to prove it after making the comment?

By the way though...its not the overhead movement that causes the supraspintus to tear....it the inability to decelerate the arm after releasing the baseball.  Or should we say that we weren't designed to play baseball because apes don't do it?

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« Reply #20262 on: October 18, 2024, 05:26:05 PM »
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whats the primary cause of rotator cuff injuries?



according to the north carolina medical community the primary cause of rotator cuff injuries is the same as pec tear injuuries. fighting 98lb women  pulling a car door while you kid sits traumatised in the car.

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« Reply #20263 on: October 19, 2024, 04:32:40 AM »
Muscles can only contract.

Muscles are still contracted when lengthening on eccentric movements.

It's called an eccentric contraction.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6510035/

https://www.kenhub.com/en/library/physiology/eccentric-muscle-contraction

I learned something new today  :D

I'll admit that I did not know it was called an eccentric contraction. Eccentric movement yes, but I didn't realize you'd call it a contraction even though the muscle is being lengthened instead of shortened. So, when you're doing negatives the technical term would be an eccentric contraction?

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« Reply #20264 on: October 19, 2024, 04:35:59 AM »
Well, be more specific...there are 4 muscles that comprise the rotator cuff.

Rather than answer the question, you dodge and weave like Hankins.  How many times have I asked you to prove it after making the comment?

By the way though...its not the overhead movement that causes the supraspintus to tear....it the inability to decelerate the arm after releasing the baseball.  Or should we say that we weren't designed to play baseball because apes don't do it?

its overhead movements, in a nutshell

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« Reply #20265 on: October 19, 2024, 04:44:58 AM »
I learned something new today  :D

I'll admit that I did not know it was called an eccentric contraction. Eccentric movement yes, but I didn't realize you'd call it a contraction even though the muscle is being lengthened instead of shortened. So, when you're doing negatives the technical term would be an eccentric contraction?

you may as well forget about it, it makes no sense, how can something thats lengthening be contracting?

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« Reply #20266 on: October 19, 2024, 06:15:45 AM »
its overhead movements, in a nutshell

Weak response...you have yet to show why we aren't "designed" to do anything overhead Johanks.

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« Reply #20267 on: October 19, 2024, 06:47:24 AM »
Weak response...you have yet to show why we aren't "designed" to do anything overhead Johanks.
because when you raise you arms overhead the deltoids are beyong peak contraction, you are pinching the insertion points

a lateral raise out to the side is the maximum your deltiod will contract, any haigher than that when engaging the traps then impinges on the deltoid

repetitive movements overhead under stress injures the shoulders, thats why I asked about rotator cuff injuries, its people who do a lot of overhead lifting in the building trade

How many people do you see in your job come to you with shoulder injuries through doing overhead press as opposed to people who dont?

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« Reply #20268 on: October 19, 2024, 07:04:06 AM »

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« Reply #20269 on: October 19, 2024, 07:11:38 AM »
because when you raise you arms overhead the deltoids are beyong peak contraction, you are pinching the insertion points beyond peak contraction?  no such thing...pinching the insertion points??

a lateral raise out to the side is the maximum your deltiod will contract, any haigher than that when engaging the traps then impinges on the deltoid there's no such thing as impingement of deltoid, you do realize there are more than the deltoids involved with shoulder movement, right?  As I previously pointed out, the supraspinatus is involved FIRST with shoulder abduction.  If you're so worried about the rotator...then you surely don't want to be loading it like that....right??

repetitive movements overhead under stress injures the shoulders, thats why I asked about rotator cuff injuries, its people who do a lot of overhead lifting in the building trade you you stated rotator injuries, you didn't ask.

How many people do you see in your job come to you with shoulder injuries through doing overhead press as opposed to people who dont? is the overhead or the fact that its repetitive?  A painter will have their arms overhead a shit load more than some bodybuilder.  There is the mechanics and HOW they do things which comes into play.  You are trying to over simplify and it just doesn't work like that.  Using the painter for example, if we use your blanket statement of how we "aren't designed" to do so...why don't ALL painters end up with rotator tears?  You still haven't shown one bit of credible evidence to back up your claim.  Your knowledge of how shoulders move is not even accurate.

Most of these gym goers LOVE their benching pressing pulling.  So many end up with that internal rotated shoulder appearance because they don't balance out with proper work.  This internal positioning causes the shoulder impingement....which THEN will damage the shoulder complex more when they try doing any shoulder pressing pulling due to the impingement.  Is it truly the OH work or the fact they aren't doing things they should for proper shoulder health?  Seems obvious....but you'll keep going on this.

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« Reply #20270 on: October 19, 2024, 07:13:25 AM »

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« Reply #20271 on: October 19, 2024, 07:16:16 AM »
Most of these gym goers LOVE their benching pressing pulling.  So many end up with that internal rotated shoulder appearance because they don't balance out with proper work.  This internal positioning causes the shoulder impingement....which THEN will damage the shoulder complex more when they try doing any shoulder pressing pulling due to the impingement.  Is it truly the OH work or the fact they aren't doing things they should for proper shoulder health?  Seems obvious....but you'll keep going on this.
the reason all painters dont end up with rotator cuff injuries is that some use larger paintbrushes


Just kidding

it just makes sense to me that once your arms are over your head the entire shoulder girdle is under a lot of tension and bio-mechanically its not useful

Are you saying press behind neck doesnt cause problems?
Thats just a few degrees different than a normal press.

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« Reply #20272 on: October 19, 2024, 07:16:36 AM »
Krank I'm by no stretch of the imagination capable of discussing this on your level, so rather that appear foolish might I respectfully suggest to both parties that perhaps there a little bit of semantics going on and a little bit of apples vs oranges.

What I mean by that is the following. To use the specific term as it was used humans weren't 'designed' at all. We evolved as did all life on this planet. Started in one place / set of attributes, that changed slowly over millions of years as environmental factors would see minor random changes offering just enough of an advantage that that became the more favourable sub species to prevail.

As such whilst humans may indeed be able to perform a variety of functions/movements, someof that is happenstance and there are (hypothetically) tweaks to the existing bone structure/layout etc that would make as more ideally suited some particular task than we currently are but it by no means rules it out as being possible to perform  safely and productively.

Similarly as has been brought up there's a discrepancy in terminology in terms of scientific agreed upon descriptive terms in contrast to colloquially used terms.

Since I made a passing reference to Evolution, and example can be found there. When it was a topic of debate an oft heard criticism of the theory of evolution was that it was 'just a theory' which was a bit cringe to hear if one understands that the scientific usage of the term theory is closer to 'the entire body of knowledge of this phenomenon' and what people not would commonly think it means is actually much closer to the term 'hypothesis' - a proposed but as yet hasn't passed sufficient testing explanation for xyz.

I'm currently suffering from insomnia  I now return you to your regular programming.

I realise it's splitting hairs of course but hey, would y'all rather I post about brian wearing female panties?

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« Reply #20273 on: October 19, 2024, 07:16:55 AM »
:-X is this recent?
it was a still from one of his vids maybe last year

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« Reply #20274 on: October 19, 2024, 07:28:52 AM »


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