Titanic Tourist Submarine Goes Missing.

[Kwon]

People like Matt lol

This coming from the phaggot scared of a 99.97% survivable virus?

Dumb phaggot.
Fucking phaggot.

Fucking covid cuck

[Royalty]

This coming from the phaggot scared of a 99.97% survivable virus?

Dumb phaggot.
Fucking phaggot.

Fucking covid cuck

In other words

Hulkster has no interest in ever visiting Figueroa.

[Kwon]

In other words

Hulkster has no interest in ever visiting Figueroa.

Figueroa aka The Place for Be for Cheekchasers!

Much Loyalty to Royalty!

[Palumboism]

'There is no excuse for what happened here': Director James Cameron on sub tragedy

[The Scott]

'There is no excuse for what happened here': Director James Cameron on sub tragedy

If there's "no excuse" then why wasn't he on board the sub?   Fucking cuckolded shitass woke joke turdling.

[Dalnet]

The uk lads will get this 😂🤣😂

LOL. During the war...

[Walter Sobchak]

There are only ten vehicles in the world that can go 4000 meters or deeper and all of them are certified except Titan.

The submarine was made out of carbon fiber, which is fine for many applications, but not for subs.  over use, the constant compression and de-compression can cause de-lamination.  Where the carbon fibers and resin become separated. 

Aircraft fuselage experience the same compression and de-compression, but the pressure differences are minor compared to what a sub experiences.

This was a highly experimental sub and should have been treated as such with no passengers.
The design was fundamentally flawed from an engineering standpoint. 

They flatly refused to get any form of certification and the reason is simple.  This sub could never achieve certification.  They cut every corner they could.

Obviously not my area of expertise, but it seems that carbon fiber resin and salt water would not be a good match?

[J. Richards]

Carbon Fiber.... strong and light..  MotoGP and World Superbike type rims,,,  Formula 1.. lotsa parts...  not meant to be re-used after being stressed... especially F1 stuff...   even magnesium motorcycle rims aren't meant for the long haul... the repeated compression and decompression stresses on the sub would have greatly diminished it's strength ... crunch

[Palumboism]

Carbon Fiber.... strong and light..  MotoGP and World Superbike type rims,,,  Formula 1.. lotsa parts...  not meant to be re-used after being stressed... especially F1 stuff...   even magnesium motorcycle rims aren't meant for the long haul... the repeated compression and decompression stresses on the sub would have greatly diminished it's strength ... crunch

I have significant experience with carbon fiber and the more you work with it the more you like it.  For all the applications you mentioned and in particular aerospace. 

This particular application I think was wrong and the design was wrong too.  I don't even think they wrapped it correctly. 

The most common sub design for this application involves a titanium sphere which is two inches thick.  Being a sphere, there are no stress concentrations, basically the stress is evenly distributed.  Equally important the material is homogeneous all the way through.  With carbon fiber there are two materials, carbon fibers, and resin.  Similar to how fiber glass is made, but instead of glass fibers, it's carbon fibers. 

The whole design of this sub was just piss poor engineering.  The sad part is none of these people had enough knowledge to even question the design.

[Flexacon]

I have significant experience with carbon fiber and the more you work with it the more you like it.  For all the applications you mentioned and in particular aerospace. 

This particular application I think was wrong and the design was wrong too.  I don't even think they wrapped it correctly. 

The most common sub design for this application involves a titanium sphere which is two inches thick.  Being a sphere, there are no stress concentrations, basically the stress is evenly distributed.  Equally important the material is homogeneous all the way through.  With carbon fiber there are two materials, carbon fibers, and resin.  Similar to how fiber glass is made, but instead of glass fibers, it's carbon fibers. 

The whole design of this sub was just piss poor engineering. The sad part is none of these people had enough knowledge to even question the design.

One of the passengers was a billionaire aviation company owner which made custom boeing parts. I'm sure he had some experts on carbon fibre in his company. The other was a billionaire former French Navy captain. Both were veterans of various expeditions involving submarine deep dives, space rockets and various other maritime adventures. They both had the money and I'm sure had the contacts to  do their due diligence on this if they had wanted to.

[Dave D]

One of the passengers was a billionaire aviation company owner which made custom boeing parts. I'm sure he had some experts on carbon fibre in his company. The other was a billionaire former French Navy captain. Both were veterans of various expeditions involving submarine deep dives, space rockets and various other maritime adventures. They both had the money and I'm sure had the contacts to  do their due diligence on this if they had wanted to.

Flex I’m not debating the merits of the investors/passengers. That said do you disagree that this was a poorly engineered craft, especially when compared to the technology available?

One item I read stated that submarines, or these types of vessels, should be routinely dismantled for inspection to search for wear and tear and this one had never had that process done.  If this is true, wouldn’t that fact alone be considered poor engineering?

[Flexacon]

Flex I’m not debating the merits of the investors/passengers. That said do you disagree that this was a poorly engineered craft, especially when compared to the technology available?

One item I read stated that submarines, or these types of vessels, should be routinely dismantled for inspection to search for wear and tear and this one had never had that process done.  If this is true, wouldn’t that fact alone be considered poor engineering?

My point was more that for whatever reason they obviously didn't bother to do their due diligence on this submarine and company. So their lack of expert knowledge regarding the design and build isn't really a great excuse for them getting onboard that sub.

Basically they should have known enough just from looking at it for their spider senses to start tingling.

[Dave D]

My point was more that for whatever reason they obviously didn't bother to do their due diligence on this submarine and company. So their lack of expert knowledge regarding the design and build isn't really a great excuse for them getting onboard that sub.

Basically they should have known enough just from looking at it for their spider senses to start tingling.

I understand. Thanks

[Royalty]

Is it possible that this might end up like the deaths on the Alec Baldwin movie set? At first it looks like an unfortunate accident, but eventually attorneys start drawing up man-slaughter charges. Or wrongful death allegations.

[Flexacon]

Is it possible that this might end up like the deaths on the Alec Baldwin movie set? At first it looks like an unfortunate accident, but eventually attorneys start drawing up man-slaughter charges. Or wrongful death allegations.

Yeah pretty much. This time they actually have a paper trail where a bunch of experts and possibly former employees who warned about this happening.

The main culprit was on the sub though and is also dead.

[hench]

Ross kemp ditched ocean gate for documentary
https://news.stv.tv/entertainment/ross-kemp-turned-down-oceangate-submersible-trip-to-titanic-over-safety-fears-for-documentary

[Palumboism]

My point was more that for whatever reason they obviously didn't bother to do their due diligence on this submarine and company. So their lack of expert knowledge regarding the design and build isn't really a great excuse for them getting onboard that sub.

Basically they should have known enough just from looking at it for their spider senses to start tingling.

This is exactly my point.  The fact that this sub wasn't certified was a HUGE red flag for many passengers that decided to not go on board.  And the reason it wasn't certified was there was no way it would pass. 

The design was severely flawed.  You have titanium bonded to carbon fiber.  Each of those materials compress at different rates when put under the same pressure.  That bonded joint is a severe weak spot.  Has the joining process alone been severely tested in a lab with data showing it can withstand the stress it would be under.  Of course not. 

In no way were they following procedures from aerospace.  If they were, paying passengers would not have been allowed on board.  They would have had to get a type certification AND a production certification.  I think this incident will lead to that type of process. 

[MAXX]

lol as I understand this thing was glued together... the end domes where glued to the center tube.

the best divers and the best design are pressure chambers that are sperical made of a single piece metal.

oh well... retards with too much money. guess you can call it darwinism if he didnt have kids yet

[Kwon]

Yeah pretty much. This time they actually have a paper trail where a bunch of experts and possibly former employees who warned about this happening.

The main culprit was on the sub though and is also dead.

Did the main culprit WANT to die?

[Flexacon]

Did the main culprit WANT to die?

I've seen some video footage of him talking about the sub and you could honestly make a case that he had a death wish, or more accurately a wish to die a famous death.

[Kwon]

I've seen some video footage of him talking about the sub and you could honestly make a case that he had a death wish, or more accurately a wish to die a famous death.

So he knew about it, wanted to die spectacularly, but did he have an unknown grudge or jealousy towards his co-travellers`?


Or did he want them to die famously as well?

[Taffin]

The submarine was made out of carbon fiber, which is fine for many applications, but not for subs.  over use, the constant compression and de-compression can cause de-lamination.  Where the carbon fibers and resin become separated. 

Yeah, this

I read that they used an audio system to warn them of this happening so that they'd have time to abort and resurface during an individual dive, but how could that possibly take into consideration the aggregation of very very minor events over multiple dives into something much more catastrophic??  It beggars belief...

[Rambone]

Was Nixon behind Oceangate? Did he WANT them to die?

[Flexacon]

So he knew about it, wanted to die spectacularly, but did he have an unknown grudge or jealousy towards his co-travellers`?


Or did he want them to die famously as well?

https://twitter.com/jholowesko/status/1671322944541261827

[Kwon]

https://twitter.com/jholowesko/status/1671322944541261827

Thanks Flexatron