Are young people about to lose their minds over the whole aging thing?

[Griffith]

I work really hard to stay in shape in my mid 60's. I'm under no illusion I can do what I use to do or look like I use to look. So many younger guys think aging won't affect them. Like they can beat it with will.

 When I was younger I remember running with some guy that could barely break 6 minute miles. I remember being amazed how slow he was and I wasn't even a distance runner but a sprinter. Now I could never string together sub 6 minute miles. For around two decades from around age 30 to 50 I always did my last set of power clean and jerks with 225lbs as part of my bodybuilding type training. I can't do one rep with that now. Maybe if I specialize in it but I will never be able to do that again putting it in a typical bodybuilding split.  Anyone that says they can do in their 60's what they could do in their 20's never pushed them self in their 20's so they have no clue.

What happens to me is my mind is willing but the body isn't. Such things as barbell benching is gone. I benched for over 40 years and now with a torn labrum in one shoulder and a partially torn rotator cuff in the other the movement just hurts too much.  At least dumbbells don't.

I'm still fighting the good fight. I trained chest and bicep today ending with a 3.4 mile run in the 85 degree heat. Tomorrow is legs. I will vainly say I get compliments on my fitness all the time.

I'm no one to give advice but here goes.  If it hurts don't do it. Damaging your joints or tendons isn't the route to take as you age. If squats hurt your knees, back or hip try machine squats. If that doesn't work keep searching for a suitable substitute.  That applies to all exercises. As you age VO2 max can really decline fast. Keep up your cardio.  Keep a power component to your training. Being strong is meaningless if you can't sprint and jump. Stuff like Power cleans, jumps, sprints, hops and stuff like hitting a heavy bag will take care of explosive power that really suffers as you age. Ever watch an over 55 soft ball game? It's pathetic how slow they run to first base. This is something I neglect but I'm working on it. Never neglect a little stretching and that also applies to shoulders/pec region. I choose to not use TRT.  Numerous reasons why.  I found most guys into bodybuilding are mega dosing test calling it TRT. If you are 65 and have more testosterone in your system than when you were 19 you are using rationalization to lie to yourself as you juice.  Also don't be afraid of high reps. You can use less weight if you use higher reps and shorter rests between sets. On top of it you might be surprised that you get better results with moderate weights.

Depends on if you need to do those things are not.

Sprinting and jumping have zero real life application for most people.

[oldtimer1]

Depends on if you need to do those things are not.

Sprinting and jumping have zero real life application for most people.

Talking about the difference between being an athlete or being a mirror athlete.

[oldtimer1]

Exercise for weight control is a waste of time.

Two Oreos negate hours of exercise.

If you enjoy exercise then do it, but not for weight control.

You can't out-exercise over-eating.

I have to disagree with you.  In just one day I used up 600 calories between my lifting session and cardio. That's a huge deficit to the daily caloric count.  Don't eat the two oreos.  I count every calorie daily.  If I give myself 2000 calories a day and that's practically nothing it makes a big difference that 600 calories from working out.  I can either eat more because of the deficit or use it for maximum results. That NY times article that says exercise is a waste or losing weight citing a garbage study is trash reporting. Anyone that doesn't do any exercise will see a weight loss if they start an exercise program. It's math. A pound of fat is roughly 3500 calories and a pound of muscle is 600 calories. Create say a 500 calorie deficit from working out and combine that with a 500 calorie deficit from diet will show results that will amount to roughly an 8 pound loss in a month. Granted I'm talking about someone that doesn't exercise and that starts a cardio/lifting life style.  Use the free Lose it App on your phone. Easy to use. It's an orange scale if you look for it among the apps. It counts calories from food and from working out. It will even give you the date to the day you will achieve the goal you gave the app if you don't cheat.

[joswift]

I have to disagree with you.  In just one day I used up 600 calories between my lifting session and cardio. That's a huge deficit to the daily caloric count.  Don't eat the two oreos.  I count every calorie daily.  If I give myself 2000 calories a day and that's practically nothing it makes a big difference that 600 calories from working out.  I can either eat more because of the deficit or use it for maximum results. That NY times article that says exercise is a waste or losing weight citing a garbage study is trash reporting. Anyone that doesn't do any exercise will see a weight loss if they start an exercise program. It's math. A pound of fat is roughly 3500 calories and a pound of muscle is 600 calories. Create say a 500 calorie deficit from working out and combine that with a 500 calorie deficit from diet will show results that will amount to roughly an 8 pound loss in a month. Granted I'm talking about someone that doesn't exercise and that starts a cardio/lifting life style.  Use the free Lose it App on your phone. Easy to use. It's an orange scale if you look for it among the apps. It counts calories from food and from working out. It will even give you the date to the day you will achieve the goal you gave the app if you don't cheat.

science says yes reality tends to say no
There are lots of variables when dieting, insulin sensitivity for one.
If you ate a 70% 20% 10% diet your body would look different than if you ate a 10% carb diet the rest protein and fat even if the overall calls were the same

[Mayday]

Exercise for weight control is a waste of time.

Two Oreos negate hours of exercise.

If you enjoy exercise then do it, but not for weight control.

You can't out-exercise over-eating.

This.

Cardio is for fitness and mobility, not weight control.

When road cycling I struggled to keep weight off. 1,200+ calorie training sessions leave you wanting to eat constantly. So many road cyclists are fit as hell but fatties.

TDF riders talk about struggling to get enough calories in. The reason they can’t get the calories in is because the teams stuff them with pasta so they can’t eat much in order to control their weight. The bulk calories are dished out during the stage with loads of sugars. Post race, hit them with pasta to keep the hunger monster at bay.

[Thin Lizzy]

I have to disagree with you.  In just one day I used up 600 calories between my lifting session and cardio. That's a huge deficit to the daily caloric count.  Don't eat the two oreos.  I count every calorie daily.  If I give myself 2000 calories a day and that's practically nothing it makes a big difference that 600 calories from working out.  I can either eat more because of the deficit or use it for maximum results. That NY times article that says exercise is a waste or losing weight citing a garbage study is trash reporting. Anyone that doesn't do any exercise will see a weight loss if they start an exercise program. It's math. A pound of fat is roughly 3500 calories and a pound of muscle is 600 calories. Create say a 500 calorie deficit from working out and combine that with a 500 calorie deficit from diet will show results that will amount to roughly an 8 pound loss in a month. Granted I'm talking about someone that doesn't exercise and that starts a cardio/lifting life style.  Use the free Lose it App on your phone. Easy to use. It's an orange scale if you look for it among the apps. It counts calories from food and from working out. It will even give you the date to the day you will achieve the goal you gave the app if you don't cheat.

The point he made is that it’s a lot easier to eat excess calories than it is to burn them off. Simple math can prove him correct.

[Humble Narcissist]

Exercise for weight control is a waste of time.

Two Oreos negate hours of exercise.

If you enjoy exercise then do it, but not for weight control.

You can't out-exercise over-eating.

Very true.

[ProudVirgin69]

Exercise for weight control is a waste of time.

Two Oreos negate hours of exercise.

If you enjoy exercise then do it, but not for weight control.

You can't out-exercise over-eating.

It’s mostly true but cardio definitely accelerates the effects of a diet.  In my experience, to a greater degree than expected by the calories burned during the cardio

[TRIX]

Getting super lean, I looked 10 years older, becoming a fat ass, 5 years younger

[JackTheRipper]

Cardio to be effective for fat burning has to be done week in, Month in, year in...
In other words a regular thing in your life, not just ´cause you want to suddenly get cut.
I bike ride not miles & miles but i do a 1 hour cycle most days & vary my Tempo.
keeps me in shape & keeps my belly flat.
along with some weight training it´s all i need.
no need to over think it.. 

[Thin Lizzy]

Getting super lean, I looked 10 years older, becoming a fat ass, 5 years younger

Seems like the sweet spot is being able to pinch about a 1/2 inch around the lower abs.  Your face will have the defined jawlines without the gaunt look.

It’s mostly true but cardio definitely accelerates the effects of a diet.  In my experience, to a greater degree than expected by the calories burned during the cardio

Yeah, if you’re doing a lot of cardio and then tighten up the diet, the fat definitely comes off faster, but you still don’t want to depend on cardio. What if you’re injured and can’t run or bike? You
can always diet.

[Primemuscle]

The worse thing about getting old is that your world gets smaller as time goes by.  You get to a certain age and life starts to take things (family, friends, places) away.

With my 80th birthday being slightly more than a year from now, I can attest to what you wrote. Not only do the people you care about move or pass away, making new friends becomes more difficult, I have found. Also, work is a big part of folk’s social interactions. Although I enjoy retirement, finding ways to interact with other folk can be a challenge.

My hearing started failing several years back. Not being able to hear well is incredibly isolated. I find that I seldom instigate conversations for fear I'll end up either asking the other person to repeat themselves or pretending/faking that I heard what they said and hoping that I didn't give an affirmative response when it was an inappropriate one. Noisy environments, like restaurants, exacerbate my inability to understand what someone sitting across the table from me is saying. One of my best friends had throat cancer awhile back. The cancer is in remission, but it left her with weak vocal cords. She talks so softly that I only understand about 20% of what she says.   

[Humble Narcissist]

Getting super lean, I looked 10 years older, becoming a fat ass, 5 years younger

Any bodyfat level below 10% does that.

[Lartinos]

With my 80th birthday being slightly more than a year from now, I can attest to what you wrote. Not only do the people you care about move or pass away, making new friends becomes more difficult, I have found. Also, work is a big part of folk’s social interactions. Although I enjoy retirement, finding ways to interact with other folk can be a challenge.

My hearing started failing several years back. Not being able to hear well is incredibly isolated. I find that I seldom instigate conversations for fear I'll end up either asking the other person to repeat themselves or pretending/faking that I heard what they said and hoping that I didn't give an affirmative response when it was an inappropriate one. Noisy environments, like restaurants, exacerbate my inability to understand what someone sitting across the table from me is saying. One of my best friends had throat cancer awhile back. The cancer is in remission, but it left her with weak vocal cords. She talks so softly that I only understand about 20% of what she says.

Do you wear hearing aids and still have this issue?

[Fortress]

I'm 36 and I'm starting to freak out about my age. I've never cared about doing young people things like partying looking good and all that. Most of my hobbies are old man hobbies.

But I'm starting to realize your body just starts dying, and it freaks me out. I always imagined aging as a very gradual thing, where it's mostly just slowing down until you hit 70 when everything falls apart.

It's becoming obvious that aging isn't like that at all. It's not a gradual slope, it's a series of events where body parts just stop working/dying etc randomly. When your young body parts get injured and sometimes it never fully heals but most of the time it does. When you get past 40 body parts don't rebound they're just gone for good, and you never know what's next, everything is fair game.

If you've been raised online the part that screws you up most is that your social interactions online don't age. When you post online your age is irrelevant. You talk to 25 year olds the same way you talk to 55 year olds. It's becoming super easy to forget your age. I always thought this was an amazing part of the internet age.

I'm starting to realize we as a society have a timebomb. Millenials are not gonna take turning 50 well. We live like we're freshman and unless you have kids there's nothing that is gonna help you transition. There's not gonna be much aging gracefully, in the past you have peers who are of the same age and that helps you transition, but we don't have that nowadays.

We already see it with Wine Aunts, but I think it's gonna hit very very hard. In the past people had religion and family to help transition into getting old. Millenials are just so spoiled they aren't built for adversity, especially one where there's no way out.

You appear to be of the phaggot variety.

[IroNat]

You appear to be of the phaggot variety.

I was going to say something similar.

What's a "Wine Aunt"?

[Sissysquats]

66 yo here. Just resided my cabin solo. Still pushing on.This winter ill write my manifesto. FTW

[Fortress]

Listen, if you’re breathing, you can jam metal and please Odin with a warrior mindset.

Fortress lifts very ponderous weights and backs down burgers like a Viking.

There’s zero reason to concern oneself with not breathing, because at that point, you are not breathing.

Young, old. What’s the difference.

Metal, iron, beef, nude broads … Hoist the shit up.

I am going to be 55 in January. I can sit on my ankles with 500 across my back and grin defiance and domination.

Shit hurts sometimes, sure. That’s good stuff. Gotta sport some drugstore goggles to read the fine print in the CD booklet to find out where it was recorded. Sexy sophistication in Fortressland.

Swing the hammer as hard as possible and then take whatever time it takes to reload the barrels.

Either kill me or get the frick outta my way.

[Humble Narcissist]

Listen, if you’re breathing, you can jam metal and please Odin with a warrior mindset.

Fortress lifts very ponderous weights and backs down burgers like a Viking.

There’s zero reason to concern oneself with not breathing, because at that point, you are not breathing.

Young, old. What’s the difference.

Metal, iron, beef, nude broads … Hoist the shit up.

I am going to be 55 in January. I can sit on my ankles with 500 across my back and grin defiance and domination.

Shit hurts sometimes, sure. That’s good stuff. Gotta sport some drugstore goggles to read the fine print in the CD booklet to find out where it was recorded. Sexy sophistication in Fortressland.

Swing the hammer as hard as possible and then take whatever time it takes to reload the barrels.

Either kill me or get the frick outta my way.

I thought Kwon was the only viking on here.

[Sustanation]

You're not supposed to be worried, you're supposed to be living.

If you're like me you'll cruise right through your 50's no problems at all.

But once you hit 60, yeah shit starts catching up with you.  The weeds you were running through are now grabbing around your ankles lol. Life becomes more about pain management.

I sometimes wish I was doing TRT but I'd have to hide it from my wife, she won't have it.

If your bloods show your testosterone as under 300ng/dl then why would she have a problem with it? If you were diabetic would she have a problem using insulin ? If you your TSH was sky high and T4 low would she have a problem with you using T4?

Sounds like your wife wants you in a place she can control you, give her a good judo chop and tell her you are getting bloods done this week!

[Sustanation]

I have an old neighbour who's all alone, no relatives no nothing. Lives a pretty shitty life.

I always wondered but felt too rude to ask, why doesn't he sell up the house for 300k and then rent a room in a nice nursing home + spend part of the year banging/getting banged by ladybois in thailand or a similar place.

You only have a short time left and have no one to pass the wealth on to, so just enjoy life to the max.

Why don’t you invite them round for a coffee once a week? Explain the benefits of life optimisation, tell them about TRT/HRT , it may be the reason they need to get out of bed in the morning.

[oldtimer1]

As you age you have prioritize training your heart muscle. Bodybuilders don't care about it because they can't show it off on stage in a thong. As V02 drops it increases your heart attack risk. Check your V02. Time a run for a mile and a half.  Then google a V02 chart.

Like I said before if you burn 500 a day through cardio, 250 through lifting then in addition lower your calories 500 a day the fat will melt off. Using a calorie counter like the free phone app Lose it is a great help. Tells you point blank when you had enough food for the day. Look for the orange scale because there are other apps with the same name. It's simple to use. You might need a food scale for some stuff. They have just about every food in it. 

Cardio doesn't have to be complicated. Starting your day with an hour of treadmill walking will make a huge difference in fat levels in a month if you're not doing cardio now. Running is even better.

Sad part about aging is how guys in their 60's can't sprint, keep up with a chubby middle age soccer mom jogging or do a vigorous sport because they are out of shape. Lifting is great but it's only one part of the equation with exercise.

One sure thing is everyone will age. Everyone will have have age related health problems. Just hopefully we can put the odds in our favor by doing things that statistically helps. If you are in your mid 60's seeing people your age is a shock if you are in shape.  Listen you can live to be 100 if you have the right genes without training but nobody wants to live that long if it means for the last 40 years you looked like hell and got tired walking.

 

[IroNat]

As you age you have prioritize training your heart muscle. Bodybuilders don't care about it because they can't show it off on stage in a thong. As V02 drops it increases your heart attack risk. Check your V02. Time a run for a mile and a half.  Then google a V02 chart.

Like I said before if you burn 500 a day through cardio, 250 through lifting then in addition lower your calories 500 a day the fat will melt off. Using a calorie counter like the free phone app Lose it is a great help. Tells you point blank when you had enough food for the day. Look for the orange scale because there are other apps with the same name. It's simple to use. You might need a food scale for some stuff. They have just about every food in it. 

Cardio doesn't have to be complicated. Starting your day with an hour of treadmill walking will make a huge difference in fat levels in a month if you're not doing cardio now. Running is even better.

Sad part about aging is how guys in their 60's can't sprint, keep up with a chubby middle age soccer mom jogging or do a vigorous sport because they are out of shape. Lifting is great but it's only one part of the equation with exercise.

One sure thing is everyone will age. Everyone will have have age related health problems. Just hopefully we can put the odds in our favor by doing things that statistically helps. If you are in your mid 60's seeing people your age is a shock if you are in shape.  Listen you can live to be 100 if you have the right genes without training but nobody wants to live that long if it means for the last 40 years you looked like hell and got tired walking.

 

How much time do you spend doing the cardio to lose weight as that is the question, not developing aerobic capacity which another goal entirely.

If your goal is aerobic capacity then yes, do cardio like running, biking, etc.

Does it make sense to spend hours every week doing cardio to burn calories or is it more efficient to just skip eating the Oreos?

Now, the Oreo is just a tongue in cheek example as an Oreo only has 53 calories.  It could be an alcoholic drink or a beer.  Say you have 2-3 beers or drinks a day is another example that you now have to spend time burning off. 

You often post about running around in the heat feeling like crap.  Now if you like running, and you do, that is fine but isn't it more efficient to just skip the "Oreos"?

According to this website you have to run 37 minutes at moderate pace to burn approx. 500 calories if you weigh 170.

So, how many hours a week are you spending doing that?

https://www.calculator.net/calories-burned-calculator.html?activity=1&activity2=Running%3A+moderate&chour=&cmin=37&cweight=170&cweightunit=p&ctype=1&x=Calculate

[MAXX]

As you age you have prioritize training your heart muscle. Bodybuilders don't care about it because they can't show it off on stage in a thong. As V02 drops it increases your heart attack risk. Check your V02. Time a run for a mile and a half.  Then google a V02 chart.

Like I said before if you burn 500 a day through cardio, 250 through lifting then in addition lower your calories 500 a day the fat will melt off. Using a calorie counter like the free phone app Lose it is a great help. Tells you point blank when you had enough food for the day. Look for the orange scale because there are other apps with the same name. It's simple to use. You might need a food scale for some stuff. They have just about every food in it. 

Cardio doesn't have to be complicated. Starting your day with an hour of treadmill walking will make a huge difference in fat levels in a month if you're not doing cardio now. Running is even better.

Sad part about aging is how guys in their 60's can't sprint, keep up with a chubby middle age soccer mom jogging or do a vigorous sport because they are out of shape. Lifting is great but it's only one part of the equation with exercise.

One sure thing is everyone will age. Everyone will have have age related health problems. Just hopefully we can put the odds in our favor by doing things that statistically helps. If you are in your mid 60's seeing people your age is a shock if you are in shape.  Listen you can live to be 100 if you have the right genes without training but nobody wants to live that long if it means for the last 40 years you looked like hell and got tired walking.

there's some arguments to be made for that excessive cardio damages your heart more than it does good

[King Shizzo]

Listen, if you’re breathing, you can jam metal and please Odin with a warrior mindset.

Fortress lifts very ponderous weights and backs down burgers like a Viking.

There’s zero reason to concern oneself with not breathing, because at that point, you are not breathing.

Young, old. What’s the difference.

Metal, iron, beef, nude broads … Hoist the shit up.

I am going to be 55 in January. I can sit on my ankles with 500 across my back and grin defiance and domination.

Shit hurts sometimes, sure. That’s good stuff. Gotta sport some drugstore goggles to read the fine print in the CD booklet to find out where it was recorded. Sexy sophistication in Fortressland.

Swing the hammer as hard as possible and then take whatever time it takes to reload the barrels.

Either kill me or get the frick outta my way.

Why do you talk like you are retarded?