Mike's A/B split for mass

[wes]

Today when I see guys doing partial dumbbell presses and partial leg presses with the weight of a car I cringe.  Make a moderate weight heavy through slowing down the movement and going full range. You can do also use lighter weight by making the rest between sets short. A light weight gets really heavy if you so something like 5 sets of 10 with 30 seconds of rest between. That light weight for the first two sets gets really heavy if you limit the rest.

BINGO

[Humble Narcissist]

I think I commented on this before. I knew Ray Mentzer. Would met him for breakfast at Rocky Cola in Hermosa Beach, CA. Also watched Ray trained at his gym. There was no such thing as HIT. It was all bullshit. Mike and Ray trained like everybody else. Worked up in weights until maximum weight for final set. Never told anyone it took 4 to 5 working sets to hit that final HIT set..

Ray never said he trained with (s)HIT exclusively. This caused friction with his brother.

[JackTheRipper]

I think I commented on this before. I knew Ray Mentzer. Would met him for breakfast at Rocky Cola in Hermosa Beach, CA. Also watched Ray trained at his gym. There was no such thing as HIT. It was all bullshit. Mike and Ray trained like everybody else. Worked up in weights until maximum weight for final set. Never told anyone it took 4 to 5 working sets to hit that final HIT set..

Cool story Bro ...

[JackTheRipper]

[JackTheRipper]

[BBSSchlemiel]

Yeah he owned gyms and became a successful personnel trainer. He lived a good life married with kids.

meth head was a junkie spewing nonsense who ended up homeless a few times,  stopped training, got fat, lived with his brother in a small apartment because both were broke, died alone.

Calta was indeed more successful than meth head.

Are these two stoned or drunk here?

[IroNat]

HIT is a religion.

Respect the religion of others.

Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya...

[JackTheRipper]

[JackTheRipper]

[Humble Narcissist]

HIT is a religion.

Respect the religion of others.

Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya...

Arthur Jones = Jesus      Mentzer = Peter    Sisco & Little = James & John

[Kwon]

Arthur Jones = Jesus      Mentzer = Peter    Sisco & Little = James & John

Wes = Moses

[The Scott]

Wes = Moses

"Let my people  GROW!!"   

[Rmj11]

I think I commented on this before. I knew Ray Mentzer. Would met him for breakfast at Rocky Cola in Hermosa Beach, CA. Also watched Ray trained at his gym. There was no such thing as HIT. It was all bullshit. Mike and Ray trained like everybody else. Worked up in weights until maximum weight for final set. Never told anyone it took 4 to 5 working sets to hit that final HIT set..

Same with Yates.

[Rmj11]

God you are stupid..  
muscle,smoke & mirrors ..read it bro 

That book is full of fiction. It has no evidence.

[Rmj11]

Yes. Hit is in fact dead. John Heart is another con job selling the HIT kool aid but provides no evidence of hit being successful. Hit clearly hasn't worked for him as he's getting skinnier every year.

[Van_Bilderass]

I got interested in weights because Weider was headquartered in NJ in my hometown when I was a kid. They gave me stacks of free magazines.  Sometimes I wish I was never introduced to bodybuilding or weights. A man can look amazing with bodyweight exercise and doing cardio like running. Just look alone at the ruined shoulders, knees, elbows and hips from lifting. I won't even mention the bad hearts, kidneys and prostates. The list is long of famous bodybuilders who ruined their joints. In the end are we just insecure little boys trying to be viewed as men?  What's important in life regarding exercise?  I would argue health, fitness and a better life through fitness are more important than a temporary steroid physique.

Anything taken to the extreme us bad. Like all these long distance runners. Some claim they are in horrible cardiovascular shape, likely to die "early." And of course the legs and feet are toast with osteoporosis. Tons of small fractures. I haven't verified everything here but it's been reported many times that endurance athletes can be quite sickly, gettting heart attacks. Then of course you have the completely decimated testosterone level. They have done a bunch of studies on Clomid for endurance athletes. And antidepressants to combat overtraining symptoms.

[Humble Narcissist]

Wes = Moses

He would say Methuselah.

[bigbychoices]

First of all Mentzer thought he was better than he was. Notice how he bitched about the 80 Olympia being rigged stolen and whatever. BUT he thought his perfect 300 score was ok. NOW he should have complained about it because no one is "perfect" but he didn't. So he actually thought his body was perfect. Although he wasn't the first to get a 300 in competition. Carlos rodriguez ( spelled wrong) was the first but he didn't go around sayin "I'm perfect I'm the best etc"
                                          Now on to his training theory.  On paper it sounds perfect. Pound a muscle as hard as you can totally destroy it as fast as you can get it to go beyond what it can do and then give it time to rest and recuperate. Great . Sounds right BUT he fails to take into consideration that the body doesn't work that way. What about the nervous system?  The mental system ? Also after roughly 96 hours or so the body starts making the muscle back to what it was. So his way is pound the muscle let it rest/recuperate for way to long then do it again. So basically you are going nowhere making little to no improvement because you had to rest too long.
                                         So your nervous system mental system joints etc are being killed and for what?  Mentzer just didn't understand that. He was trying to sell something that sounds good to those that are to lazy to really train. He did the same as everyone else most of the time. Just like his dieting. He failed to mention his other drugs besides steroids that he used.  And he would say so and so improved so many reps and weight when he trained him that that was proof his way worked. Well hello there Mike. EVERYONE improves when working out due to they are getting used to the exercise and they find their form/groove. NOT because they got bigger and stronger. That comes with time. But to a lot of lazy people they think that is progress. Mentzer was out to make a buck but then he got wrapped up in things and the more people told him how wrong he was he went event further into insanity trying to push his b.s.
                                        I am from his era of bodybuilding. I tried them all . Bought the books courses and magazines. All the supplements too. Believed what I read. SMH. Scams just scams. No truth. Then I started figuring things out. Got my first d ball prescription at age 16 and never looked back. lol. The human body is in fact designed to work hard each and everyday up to a point. It will recuperate  so we can do the same work the next day. Of course it needs to sleep and eat. Look at construction workers gymnasts track athletes etc. They do their thing and they recuperate each and everyday and most of them have some good physiques . However look at long distance runners . They do too much too often. If they did it 3 times a week they would look and feel so much better. Their cardiovascular condition does not improve any more doing 7 day a week then it would doing 3 days. BUT they are all idiots anyways so we will stop with that
                                                 So train hard train often and train long ( up to a point. everyone is different but really an hour or so 5 or 6 days a week is usually about right) eat good food ( a calorie is not a calorie when trying to build muscle and or lose fat. Sure you will lose weight on the whole calorie is a calorie thing if the calories are low but you will lose muscle mostly and little fat) and get a good nights sleep. and you will grow.  Oh and take steroids if you want to grow big and quicker.

[Mohammed Omari]

First of all Mentzer thought he was better than he was. Notice how he bitched about the 80 Olympia being rigged stolen and whatever. BUT he thought his perfect 300 score was ok. NOW he should have complained about it because no one is "perfect" but he didn't. So he actually thought his body was perfect. Although he wasn't the first to get a 300 in competition. Carlos rodriguez ( spelled wrong) was the first but he didn't go around sayin "I'm perfect I'm the best etc"
                                          Now on to his training theory.  On paper it sounds perfect. Pound a muscle as hard as you can totally destroy it as fast as you can get it to go beyond what it can do and then give it time to rest and recuperate. Great . Sounds right BUT he fails to take into consideration that the body doesn't work that way. What about the nervous system?  The mental system ? Also after roughly 96 hours or so the body starts making the muscle back to what it was. So his way is pound the muscle let it rest/recuperate for way to long then do it again. So basically you are going nowhere making little to no improvement because you had to rest too long.
                                         So your nervous system mental system joints etc are being killed and for what?  Mentzer just didn't understand that. He was trying to sell something that sounds good to those that are to lazy to really train. He did the same as everyone else most of the time. Just like his dieting. He failed to mention his other drugs besides steroids that he used.  And he would say so and so improved so many reps and weight when he trained him that that was proof his way worked. Well hello there Mike. EVERYONE improves when working out due to they are getting used to the exercise and they find their form/groove. NOT because they got bigger and stronger. That comes with time. But to a lot of lazy people they think that is progress. Mentzer was out to make a buck but then he got wrapped up in things and the more people told him how wrong he was he went event further into insanity trying to push his b.s.
                                        I am from his era of bodybuilding. I tried them all . Bought the books courses and magazines. All the supplements too. Believed what I read. SMH. Scams just scams. No truth. Then I started figuring things out. Got my first d ball prescription at age 16 and never looked back. lol. The human body is in fact designed to work hard each and everyday up to a point. It will recuperate  so we can do the same work the next day. Of course it needs to sleep and eat. Look at construction workers gymnasts track athletes etc. They do their thing and they recuperate each and everyday and most of them have some good physiques . However look at long distance runners . They do too much too often. If they did it 3 times a week they would look and feel so much better. Their cardiovascular condition does not improve any more doing 7 day a week then it would doing 3 days. BUT they are all idiots anyways so we will stop with that
                                                 So train hard train often and train long ( up to a point. everyone is different but really an hour or so 5 or 6 days a week is usually about right) eat good food ( a calorie is not a calorie when trying to build muscle and or lose fat. Sure you will lose weight on the whole calorie is a calorie thing if the calories are low but you will lose muscle mostly and little fat) and get a good nights sleep. and you will grow.  Oh and take steroids if you want to grow big and quicker.

I'm not reading a book.

[The Scott]

I tried it for awhile in the mid '70s as on paper it seems like it should work.  It didn't really for me and I went back to the normal 10 to 25 or so sets be bodypart bt that required a ridiculous amount of calories and I did it for many years to come. 

H.I.T./Heavy Duty offered many of us a life outside the gym and that is why we tried it.  I used to do twice a day (roughly 5 hours total) 6 days per week training.  I reached 250lbs, at 6' 1/5" in height and fairly strong but when I stopped going to commercial gyms (our first child arrived!) I trained at home with basic exercises.  As our children got older I tried "Dinosaur Training" and that along with H.I.T. wiped me out.

I am relatively certain that if I had taken as shitload of AAS, I would have recovered a LOT better and gotten even bigger and stronger with either H.I.T. or traditional volume training as that is the ONLY difference in how I trained regardless of the style of training.  Genetics are real but drugs have allowed many a turd to bypass their innate shit genes and go far beyond what training naturally would allow.

Don't think so?  Nick Walker.   

In the film Pumping Iron we all saw the difference in the IFBB champions compared to competitors in the local shows.  DRUGS work really well.

A form of H.I.T. + drugs works. 
A form of volume training + drugs works.

Which one works better is most likely an individual result for us all.

[JackTheRipper]

I tried it for awhile in the mid '70s as on paper it seems like it should work.  It didn't really for me and I went back to the normal 10 to 25 or so sets be bodypart bt that required a ridiculous amount of calories and I did it for many years to come. 

H.I.T./Heavy Duty offered many of us a life outside the gym and that is why we tried it.  I used to do twice a day (roughly 5 hours total) 6 days per week training.  I reached 250lbs, at 6' 1/5" in height and fairly strong but when I stopped going to commercial gyms (our first child arrived!) I trained at home with basic exercises.  As our children got older I tried "Dinosaur Training" and that along with H.I.T. wiped me out.

I am relatively certain that if I had taken as shitload of AAS, I would have recovered a LOT better and gotten even bigger and stronger with either H.I.T. or traditional volume training as that is the ONLY difference in how I trained regardless of the style of training.  Genetics are real but drugs have allowed many a turd to bypass their innate shit genes and go far beyond what training naturally would allow.

Don't think so?  Nick Walker.   

In the film Pumping Iron we all saw the difference in the IFBB champions compared to competitors in the local shows.  DRUGS work really well.

A form of H.I.T. + drugs works. 
A form of volume training + drugs works.

Which one works better is most likely an individual result for us all.

YUP !

[illuminati]

I got interested in weights because Weider was headquartered in NJ in my hometown when I was a kid. They gave me stacks of free magazines.  Sometimes I wish I was never introduced to bodybuilding or weights. A man can look amazing with bodyweight exercise and doing cardio like running. Just look alone at the ruined shoulders, knees, elbows and hips from lifting. I won't even mention the bad hearts, kidneys and prostates. The list is long of famous bodybuilders who ruined their joints. In the end are we just insecure little boys trying to be viewed as men?  What's important in life regarding exercise?  I would argue health, fitness and a better life through fitness are more important than a temporary steroid physique.

First off Life is Temporary & all that comes along in it.
Not Just a Steroid physique. 

So many other pastimes / sports /hobbies / indulgences have bad long term
effects / injuries & deaths - what's your point ?
We should do Fuck all & just sit/stay at home all the time for fear of injury
or death ?  Yeah great life experience.

You don't want to take steroids/ smoke / drink / REC drugs / or do contact
sports / or high risk things - that's great Don't do them, Simple.

Many others do want to & they do those things let them get on with it,
How does it affect you ?

Stop being so negative - like it or not life on this planet has always involved
Risks - be it our own doing or from nature or from other animals or humans.

[JackTheRipper]

 

[The Scott]

First off Life is Temporary & all that comes along in it.
Not Just a Steroid physique. 

So many other pastimes / sports /hobbies / indulgences have bad long term
effects / injuries & deaths - what's your point ?
We should do Fuck all & just sit/stay at home all the time for fear of injury
or death ?  Yeah great life experience.

You don't want to take steroids/ smoke / drink / REC drugs / or do contact
sports / or high risk things - that's great Don't do them, Simple.

Many others do want to & they do those things let them get on with it,
How does it affect you ?

Stop being so negative - like it or not life on this planet has always involved
Risks - be it our own doing or from nature or from other animals or humans.

All of my friends that took steroids in the '70s onward were honest about it.  Honesty is what matters to me. They didn't need to tell me when they were off as it was readily apparent.   Come to think of it, it was also easy to know when they were as it was contest season!

Good men all of them.  Was I jealous of them?  Yup!  To a degree because they had a look I couldn't get and pretty much all of them were stronger than me on most lifts, more than a few were even when off and back at their off season training  because they had built their foundation well. 

If ever my doctors approve me for TRT/HRT I will know it is safe because to date despite having little usable testosterone in my blood, they said it is not yet safe for me.  I trust them.

And when I stopped training I ate less and lost a LOT of me, LOL!  Just goes to show that like you said before, it is all temporary my brother!   

[JackTheRipper]

Mike was the King !