Utah Man Shot Dead By FBI Agents Was ‘Kind Person’ Who Posed No Real Threat

[illuminati]

Seems you are asking the proverbial question... damned if they did, damned if they didn't. It's common practice to serve warrants on suspects at their homes. IF they had waited until he got in his vehicle, then initiated a stop, and the nice man decided to try and outrun them and subsequently an innocent bystander was killed or injured, guess who would be here asking why didn't they just arrest him from his home to lessen the danger to others. But keep nitpicking, he wasn't minority and he was only threatening Democrats.

Ahhh This

quote author=chaos link=topic=687138.msg10060340#msg10060340 date=1692229249]
Nobody shot the long list of leftist douchenozzles that threatened Trumps life, knock it off. You were supposed to be smarter than this.
[/quote]

I Know it was Orange Man Bad & they were Leftist Dummycraps
So its all Good.

 

[AbrahamG]

Nobody shot the long list of leftist douchenozzles that threatened Trumps life, knock it off. You were supposed to be smarter than this.

Do you have a link to that list by chance?

[Primemuscle]

What I posted is a fact:  the FBI used a battering ram to break the man's door down.  That has zero to do with Trump or whatever the heck you are reading from your Trump emails you keep posting.  It's pretty hilarious that you get Trump emails and cannot stop talking about the man.     You clearly have TDS.  But you have plenty of company.

Maybe I do have TDS or maybe I just get a kick out of his emails and pleas for campaign contributions. I also would rather read what he posts than what others say about him. People talk a lot of trash no matter who they are referring to, be they politically and philosophically liberal or conservative.

I’ve said this before and I still believe this to be true. Trump, his mouth and his social media daily rants will be his downfall. If he goes down, he has himself to blame. I recently heard someone say that had Trump accepted the results of the 2020 election and facilitated a peaceful transfer of power, he’d be in much less trouble, and he would clinch the election in 2024.

[chaos]

Have you not read any of the articles posted?

Nothing you post has validity to me, your obsession washes out any opinion or input you may have.

Do you have a link to that list by chance?

No link, but Kathy griffith and Madonna come to mind, that wanna be gangster snoop dog are just a few. You could google, far too much effort for me to put in since I know you'll deflect.

[illuminati]

Maybe I do have TDS or maybe I just get a kick out of his emails and pleas for campaign contributions. I also would rather read what he posts than what others say about him. People talk a lot of trash no matter who they are referring to, be they politically and philosophically liberal or conservative.

I’ve said this before and I still believe this to be true. Trump, his mouth and his social media daily rants will be his downfall. If he goes down, he has himself to blame. I recently heard someone say that had Trump accepted the results of the 2020 election and facilitated a peaceful transfer of power, he’d be in much less trouble, and he would clinch the election in 2024.

If my ex had wheels she'd be a Bike

 

HTH.

[AbrahamG]

Nothing you post has validity to me, your obsession washes out any opinion or input you may have.
No link, but Kathy griffith and Madonna come to mind, that wanna be gangster snoop dog are just a few. You could google, far too much effort for me to put in since I know you'll deflect.

Trump is worser!

[chaos]

Trump is worser!

Orange man bad!!!

[illuminati]

Orange man bad!!!

Who do the Libturds think is the worst
Russia
China
Orange Man

Or are they in fact all just one entity!!
Ominipresent like God 

[Primemuscle]

Orange man bad!!!

You may have to change this saying of yours a little bit. Trump has not looked as orange lately as he once did. His hair has gone from a piss-yellow to whitish and his face has deepened from orange to red and occasionally lately when he is being indicted, it is ghostly white. Maybe it is just the lighting, huh? Just be careful to not say 'red man bad' because that might get you in a heap of trouble with Native Americans. 

[LurkerNoMore]

Nothing you post has validity to me, your obsession washes out any opinion or input you may have.
No link, but Kathy griffith and Madonna come to mind, that wanna be gangster snoop dog are just a few. You could google, far too much effort for me to put in since I know you'll deflect.

Being uninformed and being ignorant are two different things.  While both are achievable in absence of facts, one is of a more programmed nature.  Learn the difference.

The fact you are unaware of this despite others than I posting it here just shows how clueless you truly are.  Hence the very nature of your replies are :

[Dos Equis]

I'll answer.  No.  Absolutely not.

If you are trying to answer for me you are wrong.

[Dos Equis]

Seems you are asking the proverbial question... damned if they did, damned if they didn't. It's common practice to serve warrants on suspects at their homes. IF they had waited until he got in his vehicle, then initiated a stop, and the nice man decided to try and outrun them and subsequently an innocent bystander was killed or injured, guess who would be here asking why didn't they just arrest him from his home to lessen the danger to others. But keep nitpicking, he wasn't minority and he was only threatening Democrats.

Pretty dumb scenarios.  He was an old fat dude who could barely walk and had to use a cane.  He drove to church, which was like 200 yards from where he lived.  So no, he's not going to outrun a bunch of FBI agents.   

[LurkerNoMore]

Pretty dumb scenarios.  He was an old fat dude who could barely walk and had to use a cane.  He drove to church, which was like 200 yards from where he lived.  So no, he's not going to outrun a bunch of FBI agents.   

What about if the FBI was going to outrun the bullets from the gun he pointed at them?

[Dos Equis]

Maybe I do have TDS or maybe I just get a kick out of his emails and pleas for campaign contributions. I also would rather read what he posts than what others say about him. People talk a lot of trash no matter who they are referring to, be they politically and philosophically liberal or conservative.

I’ve said this before and I still believe this to be true. Trump, his mouth and his social media daily rants will be his downfall. If he goes down, he has himself to blame. I recently heard someone say that had Trump accepted the results of the 2020 election and facilitated a peaceful transfer of power, he’d be in much less trouble, and he would clinch the election in 2024.

Trump sure occupies a lot of space in your head.

I somewhat agree about his conduct after the election.  It doesn't help his chances in 2024.  But he legitimately believes the election was stolen from him.  No different than Hillary Clinton.   

That said, if he just shut up and became a marshmallow, he wouldn't be authentic.  He won in 2016 in part by being authentic.  I don't like everything about him, but if he's going to win in 2024, it will be in part because he is staying true to himself.  Some people love that.  Some people hate it.

But none of this has anything to do with why the FBI shot the old man. 

[Agnostic007]

Do you have a link to that list by chance?

Illuminati. do you have a link?

[Agnostic007]

Pretty dumb scenarios.  He was an old fat dude who could barely walk and had to use a cane.  He drove to church, which was like 200 yards from where he lived.  So no, he's not going to outrun a bunch of FBI agents.   

No, actually it was a dumb question. Didn't want to say that outright but my scenarios made it clear. Always someone asking "Why didn't they shoot him in the leg? or can't they shoot the gun out of his hand?" always second guessing without facts or experience. So I tried to lessen the clubbing. Turns out, I shouldn't have.

[Dos Equis]

No, actually it was a dumb question. Didn't want to say that outright but my scenarios made it clear. Always someone asking "Why didn't they shoot him in the leg? or can't they shoot the gun out of his hand?" always second guessing without facts or experience. So I tried to lessen the clubbing. Turns out, I shouldn't have.

You really are not very bright.  No one said anything about shooting someone in the leg.  Law enforcement is always taught to aim for center mass and shoot until the threat is disabled.  That's not the issue.   

No, it's not a dumb question to ask whether law enforcement unnecessarily created a situation that resulted in the use of deadly force.  But it's definitely a dumb scenario to say an old, fat, disabled man could run away from FBI agents.  lol  But you gotta not be a dense hack to understand the distinction.  That leaves you out in the cold.

[illuminati]

You really are not very bright.  No one said anything about shooting someone in the leg.  Law enforcement is always taught to aim for center mass and shoot until the threat is disabled.  That's not the issue.   

No, it's not a dumb question to ask whether law enforcement unnecessarily created a situation that resulted in the use of deadly force.  But it's definitely a dumb scenario to say an old, fat, disabled man could run away from FBI agents.  lol  But you gotta not be a dense hack to understand the distinction.  That leaves you out in the cold.

Really don't know whats happened lately to AG 007
Has his account been hacked I wonder by a Complete Retard Khvnt
Sure don't seem to be the same person as he was not long back.

As a former detective I'm sure he'll look into it.

[Agnostic007]

Really don't know whats happened lately to AG 007
Has his account been hacked I wonder by a Complete Retard Khvnt
Sure don't seem to be the same person as he was not long back.

As a former detective I'm sure he'll look into it.

The truth is, at one point we crossed up our opinions. I took it as a natural path, given your past opinions (and I don't mean this in a derogatory way). But it seems that if I don't agree with you on current things, I must have been hacked by a complete retard Khvnt.
I am the same person. This is life. Somethings people you know and respect will come to believe something you don't. Depending on what it is, you have a few options. It seems you chose to go low with insulting me, although my position is usually backed up with facts. That you or coach don't accept them, that's not my concern.

I am the same person that spoke to you a couple years ago about Corruption of the Noble Cause. Same guy who asks how you are doing. That we disagree on something, and in this case, something that falls within my limited expertise like critical incidents, doesn't change that. Of the two of us, and maybe most on this board, I have likely had the most experience in police involved shootings. If it were about the best way to build traps, I would certainly listen to Coach and a few others.. but this is something I lived and breathed so if we are at an impasse on it,
Maybe... just maybe.. I'm not the idiot you think I am. 

Recapping, I said it is likely it went down as reported. Would take a lot of people agreeing to murder him to come to an assassination conclusion. I know that at least in the last 3 years Federal agents have been required to wear body cams on raids or warrants. So I'm willing to wait.. although it looks like the nice man brought this upon himself, I am willing to wait for the body cam footage and if it shows something different I will be the first the say WTF 

I am sincerely willing to go back to the honest discussion phase of this relationship if you are. I offer the same to D.E. and Chaos. I believe we can discuss these things as adults if the truth is truly what we are after and not a blind defense of our position.

[chaos]

Maybe... just maybe.. I'm not the idiot you think I am. 

Nope, you're definitely that guy.

This is from an Aug 10th article....anyone have anything concrete and real?

Authorities have not confirmed whether Robertson had a weapon or whether he fired any shots. The New York Times, quoting a federal law enforcement official speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Robertson was armed at the time.

[illuminati]

The truth is, at one point we crossed up our opinions. I took it as a natural path, given your past opinions (and I don't mean this in a derogatory way). But it seems that if I don't agree with you on current things, I must have been hacked by a complete retard Khvnt.
I am the same person. This is life. Somethings people you know and respect will come to believe something you don't. Depending on what it is, you have a few options. It seems you chose to go low with insulting me, although my position is usually backed up with facts. That you or coach don't accept them, that's not my concern.

I am the same person that spoke to you a couple years ago about Corruption of the Noble Cause. Same guy who asks how you are doing. That we disagree on something, and in this case, something that falls within my limited expertise like critical incidents, doesn't change that. Of the two of us, and maybe most on this board, I have likely had the most experience in police involved shootings. If it were about the best way to build traps, I would certainly listen to Coach and a few others.. but this is something I lived and breathed so if we are at an impasse on it,
Maybe... just maybe.. I'm not the idiot you think I am. 

Recapping, I said it is likely it went down as reported. Would take a lot of people agreeing to murder him to come to an assassination conclusion. I know that at least in the last 3 years Federal agents have been required to wear body cams on raids or warrants. So I'm willing to wait.. although it looks like the nice man brought this upon himself, I am willing to wait for the body cam footage and if it shows something different I will be the first the say WTF 

I am sincerely willing to go back to the honest discussion phase of this relationship if you are. I offer the same to D.E. and Chaos. I believe we can discuss these things as adults if the truth is truly what we are after and not a blind defense of our position.

Fair points .

Yes you have more experience as a cop in certain situations definitely.

My issues are with how you've been coming across - being obtuse & deliberately
Avoiding straight yes / no answers .
Drop the condescending PC Bullshit answers & Talk straight like a man.

You don't like what I say - Then say so .
I posted not long back just a few days that I was Conned & was wrong to Vote
For the Khvnt Boris Johnson - it hurts , only I did & I was wrong & man enough
To admit it .
Something I see totally missing from all Leftist Libturds - Hell just look back at
The China Virus Con / Scam & The Highly Dangerous Vaccines & How they had
Many folk on here acting like retards with what they had people doing - Yet to see One
Have the Balls to admit they were conned & acted stupidly  - Oh no just reams of excuses
About listening to Governor's/ Fucboi / CDC etc etc  anything other than admit they
Were Fooled & they were.
The vaccines have had more adverse affects & deaths than all previous vaccines
Rolled into one. FACT.

I've frequently stated I held you in high regard. How many on here say that.
Cut the double speak PC bollocks - Call a spade a spade & we'll often disagree
Thats highly likely- only we'll get along just fine.

And No my meds are Not working very well. 😳🤷🏻‍♂️

[Coach is Back!]

Seems you are asking the proverbial question... damned if they did, damned if they didn't. It's common practice to serve warrants on suspects at their homes. IF they had waited until he got in his vehicle, then initiated a stop, and the nice man decided to try and outrun them and subsequently an innocent bystander was killed or injured, guess who would be here asking why didn't they just arrest him from his home to lessen the danger to others. But keep nitpicking, he wasn't minority and he was only threatening Democrats.

Did you just say “try to outrun them”?? He was a 75 year old obese man that needed a Cain to stand and walk and by all accounts, could barely make it across the room let alone outrun the cops. The fuck is the matter with you??

They could have served the warrant for his arrest anywhere at anytime. You fucking know this (I think). Gas station, grocery store, church, etc.

[Agnostic007]

Nope, you're definitely that guy.

This is from an Aug 10th article....anyone have anything concrete and real?

as investigations go, there is initial and final. Sounds like he was armed and they reported he pointed a .357 at him. Asking if anyone has anything concrete or real just underscores your lack of understanding of the process.

[illuminati]

Did you just say “try to outrun them”?? He was a 75 year old obese man that needed a Cain to stand and walk and by all accounts, could barely make it across the room let alone outrun the cops. The fuck is the matter with you??

They could have served the warrant for his arrest anywhere at anytime. You fucking know this (I think). Gas station, grocery store, church, etc.

Was the nutty old man an immediate threat to Pedo Pete ?
Is that what they were afraid of , or to anyone else ??

If he wasn't  Then it Seems to me they just wanted to make a Huge Statement
To others .

[Coach is Back!]

Was the nutty old man an immediate threat to Pedo Pete ?
Is that what they were afraid of , or to anyone else ??

If he wasn't  Then it Seems to me they just wanted to make a Huge Statement
To others .

Exactly. It was an assassination.