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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2023, 11:00:48 AM »
Statins also can lower test.

High carb diets can increase estrogen, make you fat and give you Type 2 diabetes.

Being fat is a symptom really.  If you are fat you are doing someting wrong.

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2023, 11:16:01 AM »
Thanks for expanding on that, mops. You have given me something to think about.

My training partner told me we eat something like 1/5th of a credit card worth of plastic per month. Presumably that plays a role?

Would you say the psychological factors play a hyper-majority role, or that environmental toxins play no role?

There is a man at my gym from Ghana [same as IFBB pro Eddie Abbew], who was able to lift more than me on this chest press machine:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwhGW8Ksjzf/

I was very impressed. I'm fairly certain he's a little older than I am, and in good shape [nice guy too - a nurse from Toronto, via Ghana], but I rarely see anyone do that machine loaded.

He has big triceps, and that probably helps doing it with the hammer grip. But when he loaded it up and did ~6-8 reps...it was surprising.

One thing that came to my mind:
Recent African evolution actually bodes better for producing higher testosterone males. Under the first world environmental conditions you mentioned, it shouldn't be a shock that White men are seeing such a drastic reduction in T levels.

That said, a 50% drop in ~50 years is wild. It's almost like we're evolving to be a totally different kind of human...and in ultra fast time by evolutionary standards.



Matt, there is no denying that environmental factors play a role in all of this.

I recently read an interesting book on this topic : Estrogeneration: How Estrogenics Are Making You Fat, Sick, and Infertile - Dr. Anthony G. Jay

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Also, the gut is full of neurons, so it's not surprising that bad dietary habits directly influence our mental health.




Regardless of hormone levels, I think there is mostly an attitude problem among modern men. No need to check T levels to notice it or use it as an excuse.

Bodybuilders have supraphysiological levels of androgens, yet they are the biggest bitches I have ever seen.


My main point is that modern psychogenic factors disrupt masculine behaviors.
Neural functions such as emotions, decision making, perception are inhibited.

In short, men passively train their brains to become less masculine. In response, their endocrine system may negatively adapt. Hormones such as testosterone can crash, while others may rise.

Notice how you always hear :"be a man ! Act like a real man. Man-up"
I have yet to hear something similar for women

Emotional resilience, and the act of training your brain to avoid negative thought processes that trigger mental problems in patients is an interesting approach.

Why not apply it to men who struggle with sissiness ?

That's my personal idea, nothing more.

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2023, 11:16:25 AM »
Fact Check: Have Testosterone Levels Fallen 1% Every Year Since 1980?

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-have-testosterone-levels-fallen-1-every-year-since-1980-1738976

Newsweek fact check is agenda driven. They start the article by taking a swipe at Tucker as expected since they are all in with Democrats and the liberal agenda. While I'm sure the facts lie between testosterone is diving and testosterone is the same as it's always been.

I think it's  down in general because men are softer. Most guys don't work a manual labor job. How many men are obese? It's staggering just by looking at a crowd.  It's also true most guys do not see them self as fat even if they could lose 40lbs. Look at the photos from the early 40's, 50's and early 60's. Hard to find a fat guy.

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2023, 12:25:37 PM »
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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2023, 12:25:52 PM »
Look at someone like Obama!   Case closed. 

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2023, 01:37:24 PM »
Look at someone like Obama!   Case closed.

Exactly 👊🏻

A Very Weak effeminate man
Just how do others vote / elect that as a Leader  ::)

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2023, 05:15:33 PM »

Does that alone explain a 50% drop in the average testosterone level and 50% drop in the average sperm count level over the past 50 years?

Without "researching" it, a 50% drop in test levels just doesn't sound right. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if it has increased overall. Would have to know how they collected the samples, the country/area, the race etc, a bunch of stuff. I think one important thing for testosterone is good food and even calories. As long as you don't get fat. So especially in poorer times there was a problem with malnutrition. Today kids get to puberty much earlier than in the past and the reason is more nutrients/calories (not "hormone" treated milk or meat). I bet someone has fact checked this claim but I'm too lazy to go look.

I haven't "researched" the impact of plastics/estrogens either but they are blamed for the drop in test. I don't think that's obviously true, but maybe they are. But I doubt it's easy to determine for sure.

Bodybuilding related: some bodybuilders understand that estrogen can be pro-anabolic, there is a trend for less antiestrogen use lately. Some have even tried taking synthetic estrogens.

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2023, 05:39:57 PM »
Fact Check: Have Testosterone Levels Fallen 1% Every Year Since 1980?

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-have-testosterone-levels-fallen-1-every-year-since-1980-1738976

Didn't see this before I posted. The article sounds reasonable, the claimed reductions haven't been verified well enough.

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2023, 09:42:35 PM »
That vid is way short on data to support the claims made. It reeks of hucksterism.

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2023, 09:57:25 PM »
In a way we're just getting weaker because of advances. I just completed a 160 mile through hike. My pack with tent and sleeping bag was under 10 pounds, thanks to all the advancement in materials. 30 years ago 50 pounds was light.

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2023, 10:45:37 PM »
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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2023, 11:21:00 PM »
Hormones or not - men have become more meek and docile.

When I was a teenager there used to be many dudes you had to be cautious with and they would often fight anybody. In the earlier 90ies this started to fade and the next generation was as good as harmless. There are always odd men who are as aggressive as ten but compared to the late 80ies the "tough guys" have vanished.
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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2023, 12:41:07 AM »
Hormones or not - men have become more meek and docile.

When I was a teenager there used to be many dudes you had to be cautious with and they would often fight anybody. In the earlier 90ies this started to fade and the next generation was as good as harmless. There are always odd men who are as aggressive as ten but compared to the late 80ies the "tough guys" have vanished.
TV shows like Friends wusified a whole generation of men.

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2023, 03:09:49 AM »
The first seven years are crucial. If a kid is still a whinny little b1tch at 7 he'll most likely be one for the rest of his life. It's what he sees and hears  during that period determines his fate. So if he's mostly spending time with his mother and pussified men then you know the rest.

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2023, 03:28:04 AM »
TV shows like Friends wusified a whole generation of men.

Absolutely - but it has to be more than social conditioning.
Back then when I was 14 I first talked about this with a close friend of mine who was around 18 at that time. Nearly all the dudes of his peer group(+"evening crew") were aggressive and prone to start fights, while the folks that I knew were literally poodles. This even held true for the people in the various clubs we used to hang out with. There was rarely a fight but when people confronted each other it was only talking or deadly. "Beating each other up and still walking away" was not in style anymore.

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2023, 04:24:58 AM »
Hormones or not - men have become more meek and docile.

When I was a teenager there used to be many dudes you had to be cautious with and they would often fight anybody. In the earlier 90ies this started to fade and the next generation was as good as harmless. There are always odd men who are as aggressive as ten but compared to the late 80ies the "tough guys" have vanished.

Raised with TV-series like Friends , Seinfeld or Glee tends to turn young men retarded
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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2023, 07:54:18 AM »
Men are becoming weaker because men aren’t men anymore.  They don’t work physical jobs, they don’t hunt they don’t do shit. Majority of men sit behind a computer all day, play video games and Jack off to porn.  Are you really shocked why there’s a drop in testosterone? Todays generation of males all want to be females.   Men have become useless.

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2023, 08:46:27 AM »
Hormones or not - men have become more meek and docile.

When I was a teenager there used to be many dudes you had to be cautious with and they would often fight anybody. In the earlier 90ies this started to fade and the next generation was as good as harmless. There are always odd men who are as aggressive as ten but compared to the late 80ies the "tough guys" have vanished.


You’re really only talking about white and white men in the west. And to be honest white men were always the softest bunch…. They’re never going to be as hard as black men(obviously outliers exist) but we’re talking about savages vs gentle men.

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2023, 10:00:14 AM »
Men are becoming weaker because men aren’t men anymore.  They don’t work physical jobs, they don’t hunt they don’t do shit. Majority of men sit behind a computer all day, play video games and Jack off to porn.  Are you really shocked why there’s a drop in testosterone? Todays generation of males all want to be females.   Men have become useless.

Going off into the woods with other men in a tent

Brokeback Mountain esque activity

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2023, 12:29:35 AM »
Going off into the woods with other men in a tent

Brokeback Mountain esque activity
It's only gay if you want it to be. :-X

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2023, 12:37:47 AM »
It's only gay if you want it to be. :-X

It's only gay if you don't get paid for it

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2023, 12:53:02 AM »
It's only gay if you don't get paid for it
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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2023, 05:54:32 AM »
Men are becoming weaker because men aren’t men anymore.  They don’t work physical jobs, they don’t hunt they don’t do shit. Majority of men sit behind a computer all day, play video games and Jack off to porn.  Are you really shocked why there’s a drop in testosterone? Todays generation of males all want to be females.   Men have become useless.

I thought this raised test levels?

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2023, 10:01:59 AM »
I thought this raised test levels?

Cumming actually raises prolactin levels

Prolactin then lowers LH and FSH

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Re: Why Men are becoming Weaker (Documentary)
« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2023, 05:02:35 PM »

You’re really only talking about white and white men in the west. And to be honest white men were always the softest bunch…. They’re never going to be as hard as black men(obviously outliers exist) but we’re talking about savages vs gentle men.


Thats why the White man totally owned the blacks in their own countries  ::)
So much for them being hard men.

Look at many fighting sports its all white Eastern Europeans winning mainly.
The best 2 heavyweight boxers are white men & have destroyed several tough
Black men easily on route to get there.

Try again - maybe stick to they're the best sprinters & I'd agree.