Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?

[Dave D]

What does everyone think about Phil sharing his use?

[Gym Rat]

Liar

[TRIX]

Phil never took insulin he says, so his GUT is from GH he claims to took in 2008, and he maxed out at 1750mg of test but it was too much so he reduced to 1300mg

[Stephano]

Phil never took insulin he says, so his GUT is from GH he claims to took in 2008, and he maxed out at 1750mg of test but it was too much so he reduced to 1300mg

1750mg test is a lot

1750mg of pharm-grade test + tren + deca + high-dose GH... yeah, I don't think he's lying.  You can build a pro physique with that.

There are diminishing returns to taking crazy doses like 3000mg test per week on top of everything else.  And the guys who try the crazy doses are the ones who end up dead.

You can build a very good physique on low doses -- 500mg/week or less -- if you stay on indefinitely and put your time in the gym.

So I don't know, bros.  Say what you will about Phil, I think he's being honest here.

[BigRo]

He said he did not take tren but I find that hard to believe.

[delon]

Heath on Heath, the getbig years:

Yo, Yo, Yo!

Just wanted to chime in and say thanks for the posts, as they've been pretty cool. I can only say that the pics are real and that I specifically trained for my first show in October of '02 and weigh around 190lbs. I find it interesting how some speculate what I was so called "doing/taking" while playing bball, but they fail to realize that the damn NCAA actually tests, and guess who got tested...me. I was the one getting tested because of how I was able to gain muscle faster than others, but I didn't even trip because my whole family is athletic. I weighed in at 192lbs for the Northern CO (apr '03) then 196lbs (june '03). I wasn't as sharp as the first show because I graduated three wks out from college and didn't follow the bber gameplan if you can catch my drift. I didn't really diet at all because of my friends telling me that I've got good genetics. I ain't saying that I'm superior over anyone, so let's stop that right there, but understand that I was made for this sport just like LeBron and Tiger were for theirs and no one can tell me different because if it was that easy, then everyone could do it.

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hey phil could you please tell us if you really started to lift only 4 years ago?

To answer this question, YES! I began training as of October 8th, 2002 after I realized basketball wasn't gonna pay for anything but my college tuition. I know it sounds strange or unrealistic, but I was a division 1-a collegiate athlete which puts me amongst some of the best athletes in the country. I should've played football with my type of build, but basketball seemed to pay off at the time and now bodybuilding is. Many wanna hate and discredit my success based on me only competing for 3-4 years (apr 03-present) and still wannna say that I'm not telling the truth about my training years, but listen, I played hoops for The University of Denver Pioneers from 98-02 which would place me as a hooper not bodybuilder. No way could I have been lifting as a bodybuilder and playing hoops at the same time or my coaches would've sent my butt home as I wouldn't be able to run, jump, etc. I hope that settles everything and now back to the show!

[njflex]

He said he did not take tren but I find that hard to believe.

MAYBE,but again they only tell you part of the story ,and also they only tell you what worked ,not what didn't like stuff they used that either didn't improve there look or what messed them up or what gave them bad health condition.

[Rambone]

What does everyone think about Phil sharing his use?

Who fuckin nose?

[Dave D]

1750mg test is a lot

1750mg of pharm-grade test + tren + deca + high-dose GH... yeah, I don't think he's lying.  You can build a pro physique with that.

There are diminishing returns to taking crazy doses like 3000mg test per week on top of everything else.  And the guys who try the crazy doses are the ones who end up dead.

You can build a very good physique on low doses -- 500mg/week or less -- if you stay on indefinitely and put your time in the gym.

So I don't know, bros.  Say what you will about Phil, I think he's being honest here.

Imagine if this information on the la s of diminishing returns was shared with a young Dallas.

[IroNat]

College hoops wasn't lucrative so he went for the goldmine of bodybuilding.

[Thin Lizzy]

Imagine if this information on the la s of diminishing returns was shared with a young Dallas.

You still get returns. They’re just small. At the pro level, the last little bit helps.

[Dalnet]

Who fuckin nose?

😆 I never liked him as a Mr o but he def had great receptors. Prefer his physique to Jay's though, even with his clavicles being so short.

[_bruce_]

Primadonna Philsulina

[Megalodon]

Who fuckin nose?

Nostrildamus nose.

[Wiggs]

I tend to believe that some of the best guys didn't take as much as the mean. Phil had Hany and the best food and he was very driven with elite of elite genetics. With his genetics I believe it's possible. It's the tier 3-4 pros and some long-time top amateurs that drug it up more than the top guys.

Phil is a legend. Hate him all you want, he's an all time great. Overall from head to tow, his back double is only behind Ronnie's and that's the best of Ronnie.  My top five of all time in no order is Haney, Dorian, Ronnie, Phil and Flex Wheeler.

[Rusty Trombone]

1750mg test is a lot

1750mg of pharm-grade test

No,it's not.

[Stephano]

No,it's not.

In the 90s, even 1000mg/week of test was considered a fairly serious cycle.

Granted, deca and orals were more popular back then, but a lot of very big guys were on 2000-3000 mg/week in total.

People just respond differently.  Phil was lean and muscular as a basketball player, and was a hyper-responder to gear.  (For whatever reason, it's usually guys who are naturally lean who will respond best.)

[falco]

Guys blessed with great muscle genetics need less everything to become more.

[a_pupil]

Pat Banya

Phil needed gear and hgh. All Pat needed was a supply of sweet potatoes and a microwave.

[Van_Bilderass]

I wouldn't trust anything he says regarding this topic, like I wouldn't ever trust Flex Wheeler. Phil is so insecure, why would he bare all? I didn't watch the video but if he admits 1750mg of test that's quite an admissipn because it's a substansial amount. Of course he did tren. It's not like tren is a must actually, you can achieve the same with other steroids but it is still seen as a must and a clear advantage. I'm positive he did use insulin. And the GH is very very important and probably the dosage was something that would shock many fans. I'm sure Jay and Hany made sure of that. Dante Doggcrapp said you could see hyperresponders from whether their nose grows from GH, and this might be true. And we've seen Phil's nose.

Some fella who said he was asked to possibly "sponsor" Phil when he was an amateur said he ultimately didn't take GH before he turned pro, but it was a consideration then already. But are we to believe he competed several years as a pro without taking GH? No, it just doesn't make sense. Why would you hold back on the GH?

Yes Phil has great bodybuilding genetics.

[Van_Bilderass]

I tend to believe that some of the best guys didn't take as much as the mean. Phil had Hany and the best food and he was very driven with elite of elite genetics

Remember when Lee Priest said Hany pushed all these drugs on him and he lied and said he was taking them, taking like only a couple out of the 8 prescribed drugs or whatever it was? Lol, Hany was pissed.

[a_pupil]

Phil had good muscle shape but he clearly had to mega dose everything to compete with mass monsters like kai.

He had good genetics when it came to fullness and arms, but he had to compensate for the narrow clavicles.

His nose, head and stomach issues are signs he was mega dosing hgh and most likely skin. It's also a sign that he was a good responder.

[Fortress]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha!

[Taffin]

[snip]

I'm positive he did use insulin. And the GH is very very important and probably the dosage was something that would shock many fans. I'm sure Jay and Hany made sure of that. Dante Doggcrapp said you could see hyperresponders from whether their nose grows from GH, and this might be true. And we've seen Phil's nose.

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[ProudVirgin69]

Taking insulin is a must if you’re taking any bigger amounts of gh, like 5IU or more .. gh induces insulin resistance to the point where your body can’t supply enough insulin by itself to control blood sugar levels.

As to Phil, it looked like he would go easy on the dosages in the off-season and really kick up the dose + androgens to grow into the show.  I could honestly believe him being on like 1g test + 10IU gh in the off season, and like 1g test + 1g tren + 1g orals +10iu gh precontest.