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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2023, 02:29:48 PM »
Phil is too short to count.  Midgets don't count goddamn it.  It's easier for them to fill out/thicken up and they can never hit the rear lat spread correctly(except for Franco, but he had the torso of a man and the limbs of a midget) and next to a taller(5'9 lolz) bodybuilder they look like bastard children.

The rumor about Phil was that he did intravenous GH for 45 minutes in the gym owner's office before lifting.


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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2023, 03:01:27 PM »
More importantly, who is the most genetically gifted Getbigger?

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2023, 03:21:18 PM »
In the 90s, even 1000mg/week of test was considered a fairly serious cycle.

Granted, deca and orals were more popular back then, but a lot of very big guys were on 2000-3000 mg/week in total.

People just respond differently.  Phil was lean and muscular as a basketball player, and was a hyper-responder to gear.  (For whatever reason, it's usually guys who are naturally lean who will respond best.)


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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2023, 03:27:45 PM »
Yeah, because all pros need 3000mg/week test + other anabolics + insulin + GH.   ::)

Some guys take more -- like Dallas and most of the other guys who have died or retired for health reasons.  And, of course, tons of guys take that much test and still look like total shit.

But some guys can get away with less -- sometimes quite a lot less -- especially if they're "on" all the time and don't do the whole two-steps-forward-one-step-back cycling thing.
 

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2023, 04:36:48 PM »
Yeah, because all pros need 3000mg/week test + other anabolics + insulin + GH.   ::)

Some guys take more -- like Dallas and most of the other guys who have died or retired for health reasons.  And, of course, tons of guys take that much test and still look like total shit.

But some guys can get away with less -- sometimes quite a lot less -- especially if they're "on" all the time and don't do the whole two-steps-forward-one-step-back cycling thing.

Hahahaha.

The most advanced competitors are just going to take a little bit and resist taking more and more to be better than the competition that is always taking more and improving.
Because they are so naturally good

I guess you have tried this yourself and was a waking monster taking just 2g shitty test.
The fuck is wrong with people being so naive.

Do you even understand how totally impossible it is to be 300 lbs of pure muscle with 4% body fat?  Try dieting down once and see how much "muscle" you will keep,you will be left with nothing

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2023, 04:43:15 PM »
Hahahaha.

The most advanced competitors are just going to take a little bit and resist taking more and more to be better than the competition that is always taking more and improving.
Because they are so naturally good

I guess you have tried this yourself and was a waking monster taking just 2g shitty test.
The fuck is wrong with people being so naive.

Do you even understand how totally impossible it is to be 300 lbs of pure muscle with 4% body fat?  Try dieting down once and see how much "muscle" you will keep,you will be left with nothing

If 1750mg/week of testosterone is a low dosage for you, how much do you imagine pros take?  Keep in mind they're using GH/Insulin and certain amounts of other anabolics, also.

3000mg/week in total -- like 1750mg/week test, 750mg/week deca, 500mg/week dianabol -- is more then enough for anybody, especially if you add high doses of GH and insulin, and especially if you never come off.

BTW, Phil Heath was like 240 pounds in competition shape... far from 300.

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2023, 04:51:44 PM »
If 1750mg/week of testosterone is a low dosage for you, how much do you imagine pros take?  Keep in mind they're using GH/Insulin and certain amounts of other anabolics, also.

3000mg/week in total -- like 1750mg/week test, 750mg/week deca, 500mg/week dianabol -- is more then enough for anybody, especially if you add high doses of GH and insulin, and especially if you never come off.

BTW, Phil Heath was like 240 pounds in competition shape... far from 300.




Ok. Phil is lighter

My guess is Phil would take
3g test
2g Deca
1g EQ
1g Mast
300mg Drol or 150mg Dbol a day
20-30 IU GH a day
Insulin
Synthol

That is the lowest I would guess if he"s gifted.


Let's not forget that Phil is a liar and would absolutely downplay his drug use to make his achievements look greater.

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2023, 05:07:11 PM »

Ok. Phil is lighter

My guess is Phil would take
3g test
2g Deca
1g EQ
1g Mast
300mg Drol or 150mg Dbol a day
20-30 IU GH a day
Insulin
Synthol

That is the lowest I would guess if he"s gifted.


Let's not forget that Phil is a liar and would absolutely downplay his drug use to make his achievements look greater.

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2023, 05:13:02 PM »

Ok. Phil is lighter

My guess is Phil would take
3g test
2g Deca
1g EQ
1g Mast
300mg Drol or 150mg Dbol a day
20-30 IU GH a day
Insulin
Synthol

That is the lowest I would guess if he"s gifted.


Let's not forget that Phil is a liar and would absolutely downplay his drug use to make his achievements look greater.

8-9g plus 20-30iu gh?  Cmon

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2023, 05:14:19 PM »

Ok. Phil is lighter

My guess is Phil would take
3g test
2g Deca
1g EQ
1g Mast

300mg Drol or 150mg Dbol a day
20-30 IU GH a day
Insulin
Synthol

That is the lowest I would guess if he"s gifted.


Let's not forget that Phil is a liar and would absolutely downplay his drug use to make his achievements look greater.

I can always tell people have no idea when they just start listing shit like this they are still thinking in mg. You need to think in cc. The above cycle at 200mg is 7 grams or 35cc no one is shooting 35cc a week. You can't just hit the same spot again and again with volume of oil you will get problems your internal inflammation will be so bad you can't even inject. There is a limiting factor with this stuff. You only have so many spots and your muscle can only absorb so much oil each week. The most insane psychopath is still going to max out at 21cc or 1 3cc shot a day or about 4 grams due to this and that is going to be difficult to maintain as each site is going to need about a week to absorb 2-3cc and you don't have 7 large muscle groups. High doses are going to get old real quick.

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2023, 05:14:49 PM »
I can always tell people have no idea when they just start listing shit like this they are still thinking in mg. You need to think in cc. The above cycle at 200mg is 7 grams or 35cc no one is shooting 35cc a week. You can't just hit the same spot again and again with volume of oil you will get problems your internal inflammation will be so bad you can't even inject. There is a limiting factor with this stuff. You only have so many spots and your muscle can only absorb so much oil each week. The most insane psychopath is still going to max out at 21cc or 1 3cc shot a day or about 4 grams due to this and that is going to be difficult to maintain as each site is going to need about a week to absorb 2-3cc and you don't have 7 large muscle groups. High doses are going to get old real quick.

Fuck off moron. I shot 8cc once weekly in one injection,no problem.
If I wanted to I could have every day. Idiot

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2023, 05:15:27 PM »
Im not. fan of Phil Heath but I believe him on the dosage claim, but the insulin claim is debatable,when you consider his modern bodybuilding fullness look.
You hold back on HGH use and even high mgs, basically as you should approach the sport wanting to turn pro on as little as possible to give yourself somewhere to go after your turn pro.

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2023, 05:21:23 PM »
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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2023, 05:22:31 PM »
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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2023, 05:23:15 PM »
Fuck off moron. I shot 8cc once weekly in one injection,no problem.
If I wanted to I could have every day. Idiot

No you couldn't say 1 maybe but then you are I he ting into already Inflammwd tissue scar tissue will develop your muscle will not absorb 35cc a week you will get large painful cyst you wont be able to move much less workout. Additionally, too much gear destroys your appetite not exactly what you want to do when trying to gain muscle. There is a happy medium of moderate dosages to grow too much and you will just get sick and actually lose size destroy you digestion and appetite as well as overly stress your entire system even your immune system won't be able to handle the toxins you will get sick. But you know bullshit you dont know a damn thing if you did you wouldnt think someone is blasting 35 cc of gear plus orals they would be in hospital not the gym or kitchen

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2023, 06:38:57 PM »
1750mg test is a lot

1750mg of pharm-grade test + tren + deca + high-dose GH... yeah, I don't think he's lying.  You can build a pro physique with that.

There are diminishing returns to taking crazy doses like 3000mg test per week on top of everything else.  And the guys who try the crazy doses are the ones who end up dead.

You can build a very good physique on low doses -- 500mg/week or less -- if you stay on indefinitely and put your time in the gym.

So I don't know, bros.  Say what you will about Phil, I think he's being honest here.


I agree. More than 1000-1200mg of test a week is a waste
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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2023, 05:14:30 AM »
No you couldn't say 1 maybe but then you are I he ting into already Inflammwd tissue scar tissue will develop your muscle will not absorb 35cc a week you will get large painful cyst you wont be able to move much less workout. Additionally, too much gear destroys your appetite not exactly what you want to do when trying to gain muscle. There is a happy medium of moderate dosages to grow too much and you will just get sick and actually lose size destroy you digestion and appetite as well as overly stress your entire system even your immune system won't be able to handle the toxins you will get sick. But you know bullshit you dont know a damn thing if you did you wouldnt think someone is blasting 35 cc of gear plus orals they would be in hospital not the gym or kitchen

Well, it depends. Aside from the argument over whether it works or is needed, some can do a lot of volume. My friend was talking to a certain Mr O competitor and during their conversation he loaded and shot 5 syringes with 5cc each. A glute can often take 10cc easy especially if you have a massive ass. A glute may have like 4 spots you can alternate too. There is also a difference between people how sore and inflamed their sites get, some may be be sensitive and even get a fever occasionally but far from all. It's also very common to hit whatever muscle you are training that day with a couple off cc. And then you may have the pure SEO on top. I have small chicken legs and I can put 5cc in there no problem. Each thigh may have 4 or 5 different spots you can use so you don't hit exactly the same spot each time. Recently a friend bought 300cc of test e but he couldn't use it because of post injection pain, was like golf ball sized lump, but I tolerated it well, just a small sensation at the spot, which went away completely when I cut the Test with something else. This guy made his dealer take back a few hundred Karachi Sust due to pain but they were comfortable for me.

Do you still get sore injection sites? When I started I sometimes had such painful sites I couldn't sleep on that side or was almost limping walking around. But all that went away with time, I don't know why. Now I can do 5cc in the thigh no problem whereas 1cc would cripple me when starting out.

Looking at pros they often use a less than amazing cook. You can tell if they have huge lumps on their ass at comps. Some can do painless 400mg test where others have painful 200mg test.

So I think someone could do 35cc a week almost comfortably but just the preparing and injecting gets very old quickly and many can't wait for a little break after comps.

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2023, 05:19:04 AM »
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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2023, 08:25:27 AM »
Well, it depends. Aside from the argument over whether it works or is needed, some can do a lot of volume. My friend was talking to a certain Mr O competitor and during their conversation he loaded and shot 5 syringes with 5cc each. A glute can often take 10cc easy especially if you have a massive ass. A glute may have like 4 spots you can alternate too. There is also a difference between people how sore and inflamed their sites get, some may be be sensitive and even get a fever occasionally but far from all. It's also very common to hit whatever muscle you are training that day with a couple off cc. And then you may have the pure SEO on top. I have small chicken legs and I can put 5cc in there no problem. Each thigh may have 4 or 5 different spots you can use so you don't hit exactly the same spot each time. Recently a friend bought 300cc of test e but he couldn't use it because of post injection pain, was like golf ball sized lump, but I tolerated it well, just a small sensation at the spot, which went away completely when I cut the Test with something else. This guy made his dealer take back a few hundred Karachi Sust due to pain but they were comfortable for me.

Do you still get sore injection sites? When I started I sometimes had such painful sites I couldn't sleep on that side or was almost limping walking around. But all that went away with time, I don't know why. Now I can do 5cc in the thigh no problem whereas 1cc would cripple me when starting out.

Looking at pros they often use a less than amazing cook. You can tell if they have huge lumps on their ass at comps. Some can do painless 400mg test where others have painful 200mg test.

So I think someone could do 35cc a week almost comfortably but just the preparing and injecting gets very old quickly and many can't wait for a little break after comps.

Guaranteed Brian gets shitty bunk gear, he couldnt persuade anyone to like him enough not to shit on him.

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2023, 09:22:45 AM »
Fuck off moron. I shot 8cc once weekly in one injection,no problem.
If I wanted to I could have every day. Idiot

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2023, 11:00:25 AM »
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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2023, 11:08:34 AM »
Ronnie is more genetically gifted than Phil, imo.

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« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2023, 11:33:31 AM »
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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2023, 11:45:18 AM »
Look at his Tiny tiny frame

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Re: Phil Heath Most Genetically Gifted Bodybuilder?
« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2023, 12:39:31 PM »
His body and physique deteriorated really quickly though, he said he didn’t start seriously lifting until late 2002, which is believable. Around 10 years time his physique looked worn out, palumboism set in. My guess is he cycled high dosages during all those years and hit the gas hard. Enough to win 7 titles and faded quickly after. It was worth it though to him

Unlike Phil you could tell Ronnie started hitting the gas hard in 97/98 when he first won his O, and continued. Before he most likely on “moderate” dosages before Levrone and wheeler gave him “advices”

Phil went all in quick and effectively, a little luck and won all those O’s