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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #200 on: October 11, 2023, 12:50:03 PM »
It's really a shame how Trump has broken people.

I was leaving the store on Sunday after buying food for the fam and reflecting how much the cost of food has increased.  I'm paying at least $100 a week more for food now.  I can absorb it, but a lot of families cannot.  This inflation has to be crushing a lot of people.

But hey at least we don't have to read mean tweets from the POTUS.

From today: 

Delivering remarks at the White House just now, Biden asked, "How much are your monthly bills, and after they're all paid, how much do you have left for necessities? Is there enough left over just to give you a little bit of breathing room?"

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #201 on: October 11, 2023, 01:30:06 PM »
From today: 

Delivering remarks at the White House just now, Biden asked, "How much are your monthly bills, and after they're all paid, how much do you have left for necessities? Is there enough left over just to give you a little bit of breathing room?"

He is FNG insane! 

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #202 on: October 11, 2023, 01:41:31 PM »
In the overall scheme of things, I think people are starting to realize, right or left, the government is not our friend and does not have the best interest of the people in mind.

The government is a pretty broad definition. Do you think there is a difference between the federal government, state government, county government, and city government?

Have you heard of Oregon's kicker? A record $5.6 billion in revenue surplus will be returned to taxpayers in the form of an income tax credit known as a “kicker.” In the 22 bienniums since the law was enacted, the refund has been triggered 13 times — including in each of the last five bienniums. Using the calculation method shown in the Oregonian, I should get a kicker check for around $2,000.

The Oregon Legislature is required to enact a balanced budget. This indicates the surplus is real and therefore the kicker is legitimate and not the result of an inflated budget.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #203 on: October 11, 2023, 05:29:00 PM »
Those of us who see trump for what he is... we'll do anything to save our country. Picture yourself and other trumpsters as Jonestown residents a week before the cyanide laced drinks.. We are sending in a delegation to help you... don't be like they were back then.. don't shoot our emissaries.. listen to what we are trying to tell you. Trump is a con man.... who is out for Trump. Do NOT drink the Kool-Aid. We are not looking forward to seeing your bloated carcasses.  Yes Biden sucks.. but Trump sucks 10X worse... Biden is a typical idiot politician.. Trump is "the best idiot ever.. " that's what it boils down to.
Bidenites talking shit about Trump supporters....the irony.
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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #204 on: October 11, 2023, 07:56:47 PM »
The government is a pretty broad definition. Do you think there is a difference between the federal government, state government, county government, and city government?

Have you heard of Oregon's kicker? A record $5.6 billion in revenue surplus will be returned to taxpayers in the form of an income tax credit known as a “kicker.” In the 22 bienniums since the law was enacted, the refund has been triggered 13 times — including in each of the last five bienniums. Using the calculation method shown in the Oregonian, I should get a kicker check for around $2,000.

The Oregon Legislature is required to enact a balanced budget. This indicates the surplus is real and therefore the kicker is legitimate and not the result of an inflated budget.

A budget surplus should be returned to the tax payers in proportion to what they paid.  I was trying to find Clinton's comments about the "peace dividend.  He said something like," we could return the money to the taxpayers, but they would probably spend it wrong."

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #205 on: October 11, 2023, 08:14:52 PM »
A budget surplus should be returned to the tax payers in proportion to what they paid.  I was trying to find Clinton's comments about the "peace dividend.  He said something like," we could return the money to the taxpayers, but they would probably spend it wrong."

Seems like if that existed, it would be easy to find. Looking forward to seeing your post with the details

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #206 on: October 11, 2023, 08:15:40 PM »
Bidenites talking shit about Trump supporters....the irony.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #207 on: October 12, 2023, 07:16:38 AM »
How does Trump get serious consideration?  Oh I don't know.  Maybe because he was phenomenally successful as POTUS?  Record breaking economy.  Record breaking stock market.  Affordable gas.  Affordable food. Record low unemployment.  Record high employment.  Low inflation.  Low interest rates.  Dramatic reduction in the corporate tax rate and tax cuts across the board for everyone.  Record numbers dropping off of public assistance.  Enforcing immigration laws and securing the border.  Investments in poor communities.  First POTUS in my lifetime to not start an armed conflict.  Got North Korea to stand down.  Secured peace deals in the Middle East.  Corrected the mess Obama created in Iraq and Syria. 

There is more, but if any reasonable person is looking at his actual record and not making an emotional decision, it's not hard to see why people support him.

Every president does good and not-so-good things.  There are obviously things Trump did that were good, I agree.  But there were also things he failed at and did not so well that cost him his bid for reelection.  He mishandled the COVID response, with mixed messages on masks, social distancing, and politicizing the pandemic.  I believe this ultimately added to the closure of more businesses, especially small ones, than would have been less if he acted more like a leader.    He allowed big box stores to stay open and airlines, while he allowed independently owned business to be closed by the states.  FUCKING BS!!  His approach to foreign policy unsettled allies straining relationships with NATO.  His zero-tolerance immigration policy led to family separations.  His handling of racial tensions was divisive.  While the stock market performed well it can be argued that the gains only benefitted the wealthy.  He refused to release his tax returns, which now is notable considering his current dilemmas.  On top of all of this, he's got 4 fucking inditements.  He's likely dirty.

Personally, "mean tweets" from other people don't bother me.  But, in addition to some of his other antics, I expect a level of class from our POTUS, which makes him a baffoon IMO.   But really, at the end of the day, no president has done anything about the runaway cost of healthcare, so I give a fail to all of them. 

Now we got the "Big guy".  and next year what will we have?


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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #208 on: October 12, 2023, 12:38:31 PM »
Every president does good and not-so-good things.  There are obviously things Trump did that were good, I agree.  But there were also things he failed at and did not so well that cost him his bid for reelection.  He mishandled the COVID response, with mixed messages on masks, social distancing, and politicizing the pandemic.  I believe this ultimately added to the closure of more businesses, especially small ones, than would have been less if he acted more like a leader.    He allowed big box stores to stay open and airlines, while he allowed independently owned business to be closed by the states.  FUCKING BS!!  His approach to foreign policy unsettled allies straining relationships with NATO.  His zero-tolerance immigration policy led to family separations.  His handling of racial tensions was divisive.  While the stock market performed well it can be argued that the gains only benefitted the wealthy.  He refused to release his tax returns, which now is notable considering his current dilemmas.  On top of all of this, he's got 4 fucking inditements.  He's likely dirty.

Personally, "mean tweets" from other people don't bother me.  But, in addition to some of his other antics, I expect a level of class from our POTUS, which makes him a baffoon IMO.   But really, at the end of the day, no president has done anything about the runaway cost of healthcare, so I give a fail to all of them. 

Now we got the "Big guy".  and next year what will we have?

I think he lost for one reason:  Covid.  The economy was booming before Covid.  He would have sailed to reelection if not for the pandemic. 

I didn't like everything he did during the pandemic, but overall, given what we knew at the time, I think he did good.  Including things like shutting down travel from China very early, sending hospital ships to New York (which Cuomo refused to use and let old people die as a result), etc. 

Most of the damage was done by mayors and governors.  They are the ones who determined what constituted "essential" businesses in their respective cities and states.  None of it made sense.  And it was all over the place.  We were locked down.  Florida was open.  California was locked down.  Texas was open.  The gyms were shut down, but Walmart was open.  It was crazy.  And I think there were massive violations of the law, because mayors and governors took their emergency power laws, which typically allow for a fixed duration, and extended them indefinitely.  In other words, they suspended laws and state constitutions indefinitely and played King/Queen by making up their own rules.  It was scandalous.  And rarely discussed, because the media, the CDC, Fauci, etc. were lying to the public scaring the crap out of everyone.  I don't blame Trump for that. 

His approach to foreign policy forced NATO countries to increase their contributions.  If you look at his entire foreign policy record, there is very little to complain about. 

So he separated families by sending illegals back to their country.  And this is a problem?  As opposed to the literal millions of illegals who have invaded the border since Biden took office?

Your comment about the stock market is not factual.  Investors include many people who are not "wealthy."  Anyone who owned a portfolio did very well under Trump.  That's just undeniable.

I thought he should have released his tax returns, only because he promised he would, but who cares?  Congress eventually got them and released them.  Rhetorical question:  what do his tax returns have to do with the price of tea in China? 

But really, all you needed to say was he is "dirty."  That's really why you have trouble seeing how people can support him.  This is a common response to Trump.  People cannot get past his personality.  And the media/Democrats lie about him, repeatedly, to keep people from making logic-based decisions.  Like the "very fine people" lie.  Or falsely calling him a racist.  Those are all appeals to emotion.   

And look, it got me too in 2016.  I made a largely emotional decision to not vote for him in 2016.  I was really offended by what I thought was his mocking of a disabled reporter.  That was a bridge too far for me.  So I voted for the space cadet Gary Johnson.  I found out after the election that I was duped by the dishonest media. 

Since then, I look past his personality and look at what he actually does when he governs.  I gave him a clean slate after he was elected and focused on his actual decisions.  Pretty easy call for me when I look at his record. 

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #209 on: October 12, 2023, 12:55:38 PM »
I think he lost for one reason:  Covid.  The economy was booming before Covid.  He would have sailed to reelection if not for the pandemic. 

I didn't like everything he did during the pandemic, but overall, given what we knew at the time, I think he did good.  Including things like shutting down travel from China very early, sending hospital ships to New York (which Cuomo refused to use and let old people die as a result), etc. 

Most of the damage was done by mayors and governors.  They are the ones who determined what constituted "essential" businesses in their respective cities and states.  None of it made sense.  And it was all over the place.  We were locked down.  Florida was open.  California was locked down.  Texas was open.  The gyms were shut down, but Walmart was open.  It was crazy.  And I think there were massive violations of the law, because mayors and governors took their emergency power laws, which typically allow for a fixed duration, and extended them indefinitely.  In other words, they suspended laws and state constitutions indefinitely and played King/Queen by making up their own rules.  It was scandalous.  And rarely discussed, because the media, the CDC, Fauci, etc. were lying to the public scaring the crap out of everyone.  I don't blame Trump for that. 

His approach to foreign policy forced NATO countries to increase their contributions.  If you look at his entire foreign policy record, there is very little to complain about. 

So he separated families by sending illegals back to their country.  And this is a problem?  As opposed to the literal millions of illegals who have invaded the border since Biden took office?

Your comment about the stock market is not factual.  Investors include many people who are not "wealthy."  Anyone who owned a portfolio did very well under Trump.  That's just undeniable.

I thought he should have released his tax returns, only because he promised he would, but who cares?  Congress eventually got them and released them.  Rhetorical question:  what do his tax returns have to do with the price of tea in China? 

But really, all you needed to say was he is "dirty."  That's really why you have trouble seeing how people can support him.  This is a common response to Trump.  People cannot get past his personality.  And the media/Democrats lie about him, repeatedly, to keep people from making logic-based decisions.  Like the "very fine people" lie.  Or falsely calling him a racist.  Those are all appeals to emotion.   

And look, it got me too in 2016.  I made a largely emotional decision to not vote for him in 2016.  I was really offended by what I thought was his mocking of a disabled reporter.  That was a bridge too far for me.  So I voted for the space cadet Gary Johnson.  I found out after the election that I was duped by the dishonest media. 

Since then, I look past his personality and look at what he actually does when he governs.  I gave him a clean slate after he was elected and focused on his actual decisions.  Pretty easy call for me when I look at his record.

Yeah, I think had COVID not happened, or had he handled it better he would have been reelected.  I don't agree with separating families because the illegal immigration problem is much more than illegals in our country.   I posted about this before. 

What does releasing his tax returns have to do with the price of tea in China?  It has to do with perception and it relates to reelection.

Either way, the more I see this going on with this fraud trial the more unfair and draconian I think the punishment may be.  I believe he committed fraud.  I don't agree with what is being talked about as his punishment.


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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #210 on: October 12, 2023, 12:59:18 PM »
Yeah, I think had COVID not happened, or had he handled it better he would have been reelected.  I don't agree with separating families because the illegal immigration problem is much more than illegals in our country.   I posted about this before. 

What does releasing his tax returns have to do with the price of tea in China?  It has to do with perception and it relates to reelection.

Either way, the more I see this going on with this fraud trial the more unfair and draconian I think the punishment may be.  I believe he committed fraud.  I don't agree with what is being talked about as his punishment.

We are in for a wild ride next year.  I have no idea what is going to happen. 

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #211 on: October 12, 2023, 02:46:52 PM »
A budget surplus should be returned to the tax payers in proportion to what they paid.  I was trying to find Clinton's comments about the "peace dividend.  He said something like," we could return the money to the taxpayers, but they would probably spend it wrong."

I couldn't find Clinton's supposed comments either. But I did learn a little more about the peace dividend which I found interesting.

The cuts were prompted by the end of the Cold War during the presidency of President George H.W. Bush, a Republican. Peace dividend was a political slogan popularized by US President George H. W. Bush.

The post-Cold War shrinkage of the U.S. military was very much a bipartisan effort. It began under a Republican president and a Democratic Congress and continued under a Democratic president and a Republican Congress.

This is a link to an interesting commentary by larry Agran written in 1993 regarding ‘the peace dividend’.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-01-10-me-1303-story.html

Maybe the economic boost was never intended as a monetary bonus for the people (put money in their pockets).

‘What Is a Peace Dividend? A peace dividend is an economic boost a country will get from a peace that follows a war. In theory, at that time the government can afford to reduce defense spending and reallocate the money to domestic policy priorities.’

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/peace-dividend.asp#:~:text=our%20editorial%20policies-,What%20Is%20a%20Peace%20Dividend%3F,money%20to%20domestic%20policy%20priorities.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #212 on: October 12, 2023, 06:06:23 PM »
Don't you fret, we'll save you
Like you guys have saved the economy, illegal immigration, child sex changes, gas prices, new wars, the perversion of society? What exactly have you Bidenites saved?
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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #213 on: October 12, 2023, 06:25:38 PM »
Like you guys have saved the economy, illegal immigration, child sex changes, gas prices, new wars, the perversion of society? What exactly have you Bidenites saved?

Simple... we (democrats) saved you from another 4 years of Trump. Sometimes I wish we had not, because maybe then you would have realized that he was and continues to be a grifter and a dangerous celebrity clown show. Unfortunately, the world would have been worse off had we not evicted him from the Whitehouse when we did.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #214 on: October 12, 2023, 06:29:02 PM »
Like you guys have saved the economy, illegal immigration, child sex changes, gas prices, new wars, the perversion of society? What exactly have you Bidenites saved?

Simple... we (democrats) saved you from another 4 years of Trump. Sometimes I wish we had not, because maybe then you would have realized that he was and continues to be a grifter and a dangerous celebrity clown show. Unfortunately, the world would have been worse off had we not evicted him from the Whitehouse when we did.

This exchange is a perfect example of how we got in this mess.   :-\

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #215 on: October 12, 2023, 06:36:25 PM »
This exchange is a perfect example of how we got in this mess.   :-\

That we are in a mess is a matter of opinion, which you are entitled to have just I am entitled to mine which is not the same as yours, obviously.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #216 on: October 12, 2023, 06:37:47 PM »
That we are in a mess is a matter of opinion, which you are entitled to have just I am entitled to mine which is not the same as yours, obviously.

My opinion is based on fact.  Yours is not.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #217 on: October 13, 2023, 04:35:07 AM »
Simple... we (democrats) saved you from another 4 years of Trump. Sometimes I wish we had not, because maybe then you would have realized that he was and continues to be a grifter and a dangerous celebrity clown show. Unfortunately, the world would have been worse off had we not evicted him from the Whitehouse when we did.

Again, you personal hatred for the man ignores the reality and facts showing things in this country were far better.  Speaking of grifting - um the Bidens' ? 

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #218 on: October 13, 2023, 08:38:03 AM »
Again, you personal hatred for the man ignores the reality and facts showing things in this country were far better.  Speaking of grifting - um the Bidens' ?

How is your personal hatred for Obama working out?

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #219 on: October 13, 2023, 08:42:39 AM »
Lying for a liar, doesn't that make it a Lie(squared)?  Weaselburg might have more of his freedom or his "severance package" at risk. 

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Former Trump Organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg's testimony came to a screeching and unexpected halt Thursday afternoon just hours after a Forbes writer accused him of perjuring himself during an earlier day on the witness stand.

Weisselberg testified Tuesday that he "never focused" on calculating the square footage of former President Donald Trump's three-floor penthouse in an effort to distance himself from Trump's false computation, which sized the property nearly three times greater than its actual square footage.

On Thursday, however, Forbes' senior editor Dan Alexander reported that emails and reporter notes not currently in the New York attorney general's possession contradict Weisselberg's testimony. "Weisselberg absolutely thought about Trump’s apartment—and played a key role in trying to convince Forbes over the course of several years that it was worth more than it really was," Alexander wrote, adding that considering their discussions continued for years and the ex-CFO was very hands-on, "it defies all logic to think he truly believes what he is now saying in court."
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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #220 on: October 13, 2023, 11:14:44 AM »
It's really a shame how Trump has broken people.

I was leaving the store on Sunday after buying food for the fam and reflecting how much the cost of food has increased.  I'm paying at least $100 a week more for food now.  I can absorb it, but a lot of families cannot.  This inflation has to be crushing a lot of people.

But hey at least we don't have to read mean tweets from the POTUS.


No president has even in history controlled the price of food or ever will.   Inflation is an issue of greed...nothing more
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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #221 on: October 13, 2023, 12:18:29 PM »

No president has even in history controlled the price of food or ever will.   Inflation is an issue of greed...nothing more

Inflation is caused by, among other things, an increase in the money supply (like stimulus money), where there is more money being spent on the same number of goods and services.  This causes the cost of goods and services to increase.  Can also be caused by an increase in government spending and the price of oil.

The POTUS has a direct impact on all of those things. 

You can tell me that the reason my monthly food bill has increased by over $500 has nothing to do with Biden, but I disagree.   

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #222 on: October 13, 2023, 02:34:26 PM »
How is your personal hatred for Obama working out?
Is he the president walking us into another war?
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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #223 on: October 13, 2023, 02:41:04 PM »

No president has even in history controlled the price of food or ever will.   Inflation is an issue of greed...nothing more

Biden tried to take credit for a whopping $0.16 decrease in a hypothetical meal cost. The President doesn't set the prices but his policies and the way he runs the country affect them.


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« Reply #224 on: October 15, 2023, 06:16:48 PM »
Is he the president walking us into another war?

Are you in the service?  Those cankles exempt you from the draft.  So don't be worrying about "wars".   Leave that for the "suckers and losers" who enlist right?