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https://apnews.com/article/navy-seal-steroid-testing-drugs-883a7262652224ac382d22fd38f90940

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Navy will begin randomly testing its special operations forces for steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs beginning in November, taking a groundbreaking step that military leaders have long resisted.

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and the USA takes further steps to feminize its fighting force

Navy Seals should be taking gear as a requirement for joining

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Wonder if they will make an exemption for anyone who transitioning,  ??? and the rest can all just adopt the last navy seal Bhnaks protocol and just take large amounts off bio identical hormones, enough to keep your resting heart rate over 100, that way your still natural.

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and the USA takes further steps to feminize its fighting force

Navy Seals should be taking gear as a requirement for joining
   
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https://apnews.com/article/navy-seal-steroid-testing-drugs-883a7262652224ac382d22fd38f90940

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Navy will begin randomly testing its special operations forces for steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs beginning in November, taking a groundbreaking step that military leaders have long resisted.


So dumb…but this is Biden’s military

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Women are the next supersoldier.

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Idiots

Special Forces SHOULD have Special Performance Enhancers

It's war and not sport we're talking about!
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Women are the next supersoldier.

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Wonder if they will make an exemption for anyone who transitioning,  ??? and the rest can all just adopt the last navy seal Bhnaks protocol and just take large amounts off bio identical hormones, enough to keep your resting heart rate over 100, that way your still natural.
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Buckets of Halotestin should be distributed to every sailor and soldier!!!   

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Buckets of Halotestin should be distributed to every sailor and soldier!!!

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All the old school military badasses seemed like juicers. Jocko being the best example

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Too much rage is seldom a good thing unless one is hacking the enemy to bits.
Just kidding!  :D

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This is idiocy.
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What about meth? Worked wonders for the Nazis.

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What about meth? Worked wonders for the Nazis.
alcohol later to numb the sensation

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Good luck defeating Russia or China - lol! These morons are fucking delusional.

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I'm willing to have my mind changed by sensible arguments, but I currently think it's a good idea to test them and weed out the losers. Granted, they’ll lose around half their men these days, but it needs to be addressed.

First, on the matter of training and selection, if they are using it during that phase, they are cheating. The training is designed to break everyone down to the same physical condition and push them to the limits of endurance. They are trying to select a very small number of like-minded individuals who have the mental fortitude to keep going under any circumstances. Someone using steroids to get through is doing himself and all the other guys a disservice and he can't be relied upon. He lacks integrity by deliberately cheating the system, and he's using performance enhancers to gain an unfair physical and mental advantage over the rest of the team. If you're sneaking testosterone shots and popping Adderall to do what countless others have done without that stuff, then you don’t belong there in the first place.

As for using it once they're in their unit, it's really less of a moral issue and more about practicality. Firstly, unless it's literally doctor-prescribed to treat low testosterone, you don't need it. Older guys with wear and tear, fine, probably makes sense. Bloody Hollywood has convinced every young guy that they need to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger; most people using steroids in the military are doing so out of ego and to look like some idealized, character version of themselves. Big muscles and soldiering do not go together. This cultural obsession with steroids needs to change.

Secondly, what is going to happen to the individuals who are deployed for months on end and can't get resupplied? Are they going to be an effective member of the team when their hormones suddenly crash, and they're feeling emotionally volatile and lethargic? What are the effects of certain androgenic compounds on a man's psyche when he's exposed to extreme trauma? I don't know, but I’d like to if I’m going to be around someone who might be at an increased risk of suffering a mental breakdown. What about in the jungle, where you don't even shave for risk of infection? Sticking needles in your ass in those environments is asking for an abscess, and once again risking the operational capacity of the team. You’re there to do a job. Don't like it? Fuck off. Do as much drugs as you like when you're a civilian.

As for recovering from injury, I think there’s space to explore the use of performance enhancers and steroids. I could see the use of HGH and similar things being very helpful, but it should be under doctor supervision and not some guy dosing himself in his room with Chinese bath tub shit. Same for certain combat situations: I can accept some scenarios where it might be a huge benefit to have certain compounds issued, but it should be after controlled testing has taken place, and the drugs are being sourced from a pharmacy.

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This is idiocy.

Support the troops.  Cam Brady 0 12.

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I'm willing to have my mind changed by sensible arguments, but I currently think it's a good idea to test them and weed out the losers. Granted, they’ll lose around half their men these days, but it needs to be addressed.

First, on the matter of training and selection, if they are using it during that phase, they are cheating. The training is designed to break everyone down to the same physical condition and push them to the limits of endurance. They are trying to select a very small number of like-minded individuals who have the mental fortitude to keep going under any circumstances. Someone using steroids to get through is doing himself and all the other guys a disservice and he can't be relied upon. He lacks integrity by deliberately cheating the system, and he's using performance enhancers to gain an unfair physical and mental advantage over the rest of the team. If you're sneaking testosterone shots and popping Adderall to do what countless others have done without that stuff, then you don’t belong there in the first place.

As for using it once they're in their unit, it's really less of a moral issue and more about practicality. Firstly, unless it's literally doctor-prescribed to treat low testosterone, you don't need it. Older guys with wear and tear, fine, probably makes sense. Bloody Hollywood has convinced every young guy that they need to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger; most people using steroids in the military are doing so out of ego and to look like some idealized, character version of themselves. Big muscles and soldiering do not go together. This cultural obsession with steroids needs to change.

Secondly, what is going to happen to the individuals who are deployed for months on end and can't get resupplied? Are they going to be an effective member of the team when their hormones suddenly crash, and they're feeling emotionally volatile and lethargic? What are the effects of certain androgenic compounds on a man's psyche when he's exposed to extreme trauma? I don't know, but I’d like to if I’m going to be around someone who might be at an increased risk of suffering a mental breakdown. What about in the jungle, where you don't even shave for risk of infection? Sticking needles in your ass in those environments is asking for an abscess, and once again risking the operational capacity of the team. You’re there to do a job. Don't like it? Fuck off. Do as much drugs as you like when you're a civilian.

As for recovering from injury, I think there’s space to explore the use of performance enhancers and steroids. I could see the use of HGH and similar things being very helpful, but it should be under doctor supervision and not some guy dosing himself in his room with Chinese bath tub shit. Same for certain combat situations: I can accept some scenarios where it might be a huge benefit to have certain compounds issued, but it should be after controlled testing has taken place, and the drugs are being sourced from a pharmacy.

Well thought out response.

I agree 100% that testing of candidates vying for the position should be done as it's a competition and should be as fair as possible.

But once you are in.... If you got in clean, against other clean candidates, it means you were at the top of the food chain. If you want to seek performance enhancing drugs after that.. I would have no problem. We are asking them to perform at a high level, with death the consequence of failure. IF performance enhancing drugs provide and edge, that should be their choice. For SEALS, Delta Force, Pararescue, I wouldn't even have a problem with it being doctor supervised.

If they get in a place where steroids aren't available, well, they achieved their position without them.. so they would still be the best option.

My thinking is, we are asking these individuals to risk their lives, IF they think and medical professionals believe performance enhancing drugs can increase their chances of success, why not?

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So dumb…but this is Biden’s military

What is dumb, is there is a 99% chance this would have happened under Trump. Remember when Trump said he would end the anchor baby citizenship thing and then didn't. You put too much stock in what Presidents do.

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What is dumb, is there is a 99% chance this would have happened under Trump. Remember when Trump said he would end the anchor baby citizenship thing and then didn't. You put too much stock in what Presidents do.

Hasn't Trump also at some point called for the execution of drug dealers?

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Hasn't Trump also at some point called for the execution of drug dealers?

No idea... wouldn't shock me.. in fact.... if you had said... "Didn't Trump call for the extinction of dolphins?" I woulda been like "I don't know.. but maybe..sounds like something he would say"