Strength Challenge to B. Hank.

[joswift]

You should go back to square one with 135lbs and completely reset your form.

You would build up quickly, but with leg drive and a hip hinge that will not only help you lift more, but elminate the chance of injury.

Some basics:

Pull then slack out of the bar pre lift, create tension through the whole back side BEFORE the lift, then drive from the heels.  It will eliminate the herky jerk.

But I would really get a trainer for a session or two, then go from there.

fucks sake what have you done

[wes]

fucks sake what have you done

[Never1AShow]

You cannot lift X pounds today. Just like you could NEVER squat 405 for a single, let alone the reps you claimed you could.

That just crushes him (no pun intended), that's teenager weight and he never did it.  Just accept legs/squats ain't your thing, why is that so hard.

[Never1AShow]

Looks like you're claiming that you deadlift 275 for 20 rep sets? LMAO!!

Has he gone silent since claiming this?  He said he can do this now?  Is this some kind of typo or mistake?

[Hulkotron]

I have asksed twice today (three times now) for the link to the video of 275.

[IroNat]

I think, judging from Matt's results, he is doing it right, for him.

[Never1AShow]

I have asksed twice today (three times now) for the link to the video of 275.

His typical move in such situations is to go silent until he can figure out an excuse/rationalization.  Most normal people would just say I was mistaken or I was wrong or I fucked up.

[webstar]

I have asksed twice today (three times now) for the link to the video of 275.

He will ignore till you forget and pretend like he never said it.

[Matt]

Exactly. He should be putting a bit more effort into his form and less into his essays that most of us skip over.

Out of curiosity, why are you jumping into the anti- Matt C posts, chaos?

I'm baffled that you and I, who have had a good rapport here for years, just jumps on this because you perceive it as being popular.

NOT to jump on the anti-B. Hank bandwagon - but to be fair, he has been VERY negative to some members [not me, lately - I consider our squabble squashed].

But B. Hank has insulted many Getbiggers. You know that's not my style.

As for JustPlaneJane - he needed to be called out on his ludicrous claims. I contained all my huge posts in THIS thread - I feel that is reasonable.

RE: my form:

Have you not watched an Arnold Classic Pro Strongman, chaos? 

Strongman is NOT powerlifting.
Bottom line: lock it out, get the rep.

I'm training for MY competition type. So what's wrong?

And if you want to place a wager...I'll deadlift 550 for the next three weeks in a row, just to prove I can do MORE weight [with obviously worse form], and not be injured.

So...if I can take it, and it's part of my contest format, why change?

I think you are projecting your own preferences / training needs onto me. I'll be fine.

[Flexacon]

Matt is Strung

[Matt]

I was talking to bhank with that post. I've never tried something as light at 275 for reps.

I think it's good to do a 20- or 30-rep deadlift set with light weight.

To my knowledge, I have never gotten 315x20. I got 315x17...and may have gotten 315x19.

So...B. Hank CAN or CANNOT get 275x20 for four sets?

That's actually pretty good.

Like I said, Toney Freeman got 275x30, while weighing probably 300.

[Matt]

You should go back to square one with 135lbs and completely reset your form.

You would build up quickly, but with leg drive and a hip hinge that will not only help you lift more, but elminate the chance of injury.

Some basics:

Pull then slack out of the bar pre lift, create tension through the whole back side BEFORE the lift, then drive from the heels.  It will eliminate the herky jerk.

But I would really get a trainer for a session or two, then go from there.

You really know your stuff, Grape. 🍇

I don't recall you posting anything wrong, Re: training.

First: your plan is sound. 👍
But I have that...you know that...sort of 🔥  right now to hit...call it 545. You know?

That WIDE look of [5x45-lb + 1x25-lb] plates per side. I want that. 

No, I know - you're right, I'm wrong.

But I can't be certain I will be able to lift that in five years. So I want to solidify it. 

How about:
Next week: 525, two weeks: 535, three weeks: 545, and THEN in one month: I'll strictly adhere to your program?

Yeah, I know my form is...lacking. 
But I'm confident I can pull 545 NOW - let alone in three weeks.

Then I'll strictly adhere to your guidelines.
I maintain: Strongman and powerlifting deadlifts are not the same.

But I think cleaning up form is a good thing. I know I can take it, but...I see no problem pulling weight more cleanly.

So:
By November 20th, I'll start your refinement program.
If it works anything like chest/shoulder techniques, it will be a good one. Then if I level up, and pull 585 or something, I'll start a thread giving you full credit for my recent progress.

[Matt]

fucks sake what have you done

 

Nope...with Grape: Grape talks, I listen.

When it comes to Grape...he is the teacher, I am the pupil.

For training outcomes, we share some of the deficiencies...some of the same abilities.

I'd love to open up more to people, but you never know when you may meet a POS. As Grape 🍇 has already proven his knowledge, I trust him by default. If or when he leads me astray, I'll stop following his suggestions/modifications.

I truly believe Grape will be THE reason I deadlift 600, if I get there. If I pulled 510 @170 [hard pull], I don't think 600 @200 is impossible. Not saying it would be pretty - but not much worse than my recent DL videos. Now...it could be a hard pull for me. But...I'm thinking: it can be done.

I do need to follow Grape's protocol and STICK with it.

I'm prepared to do that.

I come to Grape for advices. Grape 🍇  is my favourite:

[Matt]

I have asksed twice today (three times now) for the link to the video of 275.

So B. Hank claimed 275x20 for four sets?

I'm maxing out for the next three weeks [525, 535, 545].

Then I'm applying Grape Ape's modifications in one month. I believe they will take me close to 600. I'm holding back to be safe; I could train heavier, or add volume. I'm on a meat and potatoes bench/deadlift program: starting with the 45-lb empty bar, and going up to my max.

I feel I will plateau around 550, then gain more slowly. I don't need to rush.

So...maybe on the same week I start Grape's program [T minus one month], I'll do 275x20 x4 sets. What excuse would B. Hank have to not compete with me on that?

Maybe we could do a contest and see how many reps with 275 we can do in an hour? I can't see not being able to do at least five sets of 275x20 [=100 reps with 275 = 27,500-lb lifted in one hour]. I can show my phone, proving I did it an hour.

I'd be happy to do a lighter deadlift contest with B. Hank if he prefers that. I'd be happy to give him a 30-lb weight advantage. I could drop to 195, and B. Hank can go back to 225, and we can do it?

I'd be happy to compete with him for either max weight, OR reps. I'm in. I'm not disrespecting his strength, but I believe I can beat him either way.

[Hulkotron]

Do B. Hank has claimed 275x20 for four sets?

I don't know about 20 reps but the rumor is there is a video of 275 "for reps".

Personally I don't think bhanks has ever done a deadlift other than the one earlier this year with the 4-lb dumbbells.

[bhank]

Hey Ace,the only people I lie to are the police......your legs are moving in the video.....the hip bone`s connected to the leg bone.....the leg bone`s connected to the feet ...................your feet were more than likely all over the fucking place.

Just an FYI........no part of your body would, or could ever be called "planted" on the bench in that video. 

FAR FROM IT !!

My feet do not move my butt does not move they are absolutely planted

[bhank]

You cannot lift X pounds today. Just like you could NEVER squat 405 for a single, let alone the reps you claimed you could.

I repped 420 for 6 in college. I can deadlift a lot today not going to as no need taking it slow

[bhank]

Looks like you're claiming that you deadlift 275 for 20 rep sets? LMAO!!

Not claiming anything right now I consider the deadlift and squat simply movement exercises. I have like 260 on the bar and yeah I was doing multiple sets of 15-20 with it. I can barely feel a damn thing other than in my side. It is nothing on traps, back, legs, just a stretch right now. I did 275 stiff leg for reps months ago again it's stretching weight. I will pull 500 easy when my side heals up.

[Hulkotron]

Not claiming anything right now I consider the deadlift and squat simply movement exercises. I have like 260 on the bar and yeah I was doing multiple sets of 15-20 with it. I can barely feel a damn thing other than in my side. It is nothing on traps, back, legs, just a stretch right now. I did 275 stiff leg for reps months ago again it's stretching weight. I will pull 500 easy when my side heals up.

Can't remember how much exactly

[bhank]

I have asksed twice today (three times now) for the link to the video of 275.

Sorry I was at open houses with the family then went to the state fair wasn't spending my day on getbig

[bhank]

Can't remember how much exactly

4 25lb bumper plates each side and a 60lb bar so yeah 260lbs its nothing weight. I am not trying to go heavy I did 5 sets of 15-20 reps with it 2 weeks ago. I took last week off squatting and deadlifting as my side was overstimulated. I did squats mid week this week and I am planning to deadlift today.

[Flexacon]

Sorry I was at open houses with the family then went to the state fair wasn't spending my day on getbig

  You should throw up an arm shot to make it up to us

[bhank]

I don't know about 20 reps but the rumor is there is a video of 275 "for reps".

Personally I don't think bhanks has ever done a deadlift other than the one earlier this year with the 4-lb dumbbells.

275lbs was stiff leg and it was a stretch

[Matt]

I don't know about 20 reps but the rumor is there is a video of 275 "for reps".

Personally I don't think bhanks has ever done a deadlift other than the one earlier this year with the 4-lb dumbbells.

Good point, Hulkotron.

Fair play to B. Hank - he posted his bench/squat videos, both fairly recent, and a classic 350x2 bench video.

I'll be getting 360 this week. It will be a hard press for me...but I'll get it.
Though B. Hank has no video, he claimed 365x1 for his lifetime max bench. Unlike B. Hank, who didn't believe my lifetime max of 345 @183, I take his word. Then I found my 340 @170 press, which, IMO, would suggest I was telling the truth about my 345. But he won't believe it without proof. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Here's my 340 @170:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyNimZjuBfA/

^ That full rep only took about 3s.

Meanwhile, my 350 @200 took about 5s:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CyfAUyktbGR/

My point:
I'm haven't maxed out my muscle memory.

Look at my 340 @200 - took me 4s:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CySVeobu0UG/

For more proof, I did 320x6 immediately before my 340 @170:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CeN1RWeADHv/

So if I could once get 340 @170 in 3s, and I only got 340 @200 in 4s recently [being more fresh], and could maybe do it in 3s this week @199...isn't it safe to say, I'm still coasting on muscle memory?

I've done these lifts at 170.

I was thinking my muscle memory has maxed out, but that ignores my 30-lb weight advantage.

Why? Because I'm holding back. Maybe 3% in weight, to prevent injury. I COULD push harder.

Heck, I may even have 365 in me, now @199 [full stomach].

So I will try 360 this week. If I get it...I'll take a couple/few weeks off singles, and maybe do sets of 330x5...then try 370 to best B. Hank's record max. Maybe drop a few more LB's, and get 370 @195, which I believe is respectable.

Thanks for keeping the pressure on, Hulkotron. On B. Hank. On me. I got three lifetime personal records last week. So, IMO, this thread was a success for me. I appreciate you putting the pressure on B. Hank, which in turn, puts it on me.

 

[Matt]

4 25lb bumper plates each side and a 60lb bar so yeah 260lbs its nothing weight. I am not trying to go heavy I did 5 sets of 15-20 reps with it 2 weeks ago. I took last week off squatting and deadlifting as my side was overstimulated. I did squats mid week this week and I am planning to deadlift today.

We could do a 260 for reps deadlift challenge if you prefer.

In 2013, I did 255 for reps at 170 in a 1.5x body weight DL contest, and got 26 or 27. I'll have to dig up the video.

I'd be open for that...and I could do it at 195 and give you a 30-lb weight advantage.

I understand you have reasons not to take injury risks in the gym. That's my wheelhouse. 

But I'm going to aim for a 600 DL now after talking to Grape Ape, so I'd be open for whatever contest format, with anything from 225 to 555, between now and January.