Phil "No insulin no tren" Heath

[Royalty]

If I had to guess, he was flirting with 4 grams for a while. The insulin thing is a total lie. The GH I think would shock people. I think Jay had an influence, he's stressed the importance of GH, recent rumor said a vial of serostim morning/night (36) and Jay was tricked to admitting 4 Anadrol a day. Count it, say of season 200mg Anadrol, that's already 1400mg. Then you have the test. I would suggest test was at least 2g and then you have the pro favorite EQ (JP said a while back that EQ is something to build milligrams because it's kinda mild but less sides than even more test). So say EQ at half the test dose. Then you can't forget Deca. It will almost be there by default, even if someone just takes 200mg "for the joints." But let's say a little bit less than the EQ. I know a guy who does nothing but "A LOT of test" off season but usually doesn't even remember to count the 1ml of Deca for the joints. I mean years back he was trying to beat Ronnie and Nasser with his 10G of test and 10 Anadrol, if we are to believe him.




You can speculate, but I think 2 grams was common in 80s, 3 common to turn pro in 80s to very early 90s, when  Munzer died and his cycle was found in his pocket other pros went, "holy shit, testosterone could maybe be increased" and so they did. Now national level competitors have about 1500mg of test as a base to build the cycle. Phil thought I must sound believable yet not sound like a total madman.

The highest GH admitted dose seems to be Heiko Kallbach with 54iu of Genotropin. He was ugly, he was big and full of Synthol, a disaster.

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The lie detector test will clear up everything

[BEEFCAKE]

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[njflex]

SHAWN RAY,,seems to be the most honest and modest about the 'drug'aspect of bbing,he dosent go into specifics or doses,but he said it was the neccessary evil and given his stature and size he seemed to do the protocal that worked for him,im sure he tried the newer 'protocals' like insulin /gh not sure if he did it full time but i'm sure he tried to if it worked for him.

[dj181]

I like how you try to talk like some sort of tough guy, meanwhile you some middle-aged Polish pencil-neck.

Post your pic let's see if you can beat this

But you'll never post a pic ya fat pear

[Raymondo]

Oh brother, that's the best you can do?

Put a shirt on dude and go hide somewhere, nobody wants to see your withered-ass old body

[Rambone]

#believeallbodybuilders

[Quilzechews]

Post your pic let's see if you can beat this

But you'll never post a pic ya fat pear

First time I've ever seen some one push there stomach out on purpose to try and look bigger, hilarious!

[gib]

Phil was so full of shit in that interview. Any body language could tell he is lying through his teeth. Very obvious.

[SF1900]

I like how you try to talk like some sort of tough guy, meanwhile you some middle-aged Polish pencil-neck.

haha yes, DJ181 always tries to come off as some alpha male. He will always be known as a little dweeb around these parts. 

[oldtimer1]

Lol at Phil claimming some sort of virtue for using some drugs but not others. It's like a crackhead bragg about not using heroin.

Quoted for truth.

[dj181]

Oh brother, that's the best you can do?

Put a shirt on dude and go hide somewhere, nobody wants to see your withered-ass old body

irl i get plenty of comps on my physique but yeah you're right keep telling yourself that chief

never said i was a tough guy dummy, i don't claim to be alpha and don't wanna be, can't be bothered with that stupid shit, just train my ass off and hit it hard

and yep i knew you wouldn't post a pic, 5 to 1 your some brown skinned pear bodied paki/indian turd, i'm white your brown therefore i win

and what's with these new accounts chiming in, can't post under your own handle jesus what a pussy

[BEEFCAKE]

haha yes, DJ181 always tries to come off as some alpha male. He will always be known as a little dweeb around these parts. 

[Hulkotron]

He probably made the insulin comment because getbig used to call him Philsulina.

[honest]

Im not a Phil fan, but I appreciate the genetics, whether he could get to his level of development on that amount of test depends on how much GH he was running with it.  Im struggling to believe the insulin position due to the way his physique looked, do I think he discontinued using it and tried to bring his waist back in, that would be more believable, can you get that full and round just on HGH, that's the question many can get that lean, but his fullness looks to be chemically enhanced and past what can be achieved with test steroids and HGH, but some peoples response to Anadrol is next level in saying that it usually means a look more consistent with Dorians best rather than Phils fullness.  Just an opinion and one with bad grammar 

[ThisisOverload]

Horseshit.

That's not how drugs work.

It's not about being a hyper-responder, which is broscience.

It's about being resilient enough to withstand the side effects better than others and using a large amount for long periods of time without seriously damaging your health. The same way someone can smoke for 60 years and not get cancer.

He's still on a decent amount of gear.

Just look at how his hands / face / skull grew over time. You don't get that from HRT doses.

Talks trash about UGL gear and then talks about using sustanon.

What OTC sustanon did you get in America Heath?

Next up i'll start a trend that my genetics are so amazing i can get drunk off one 12 ounce bottle of beer even though i drink every day.

[gib]

Just look at how his hands / face / skull grew over time. You don't get that from HRT doses.

Not to mention that massive wide nose of his...classic GH nose growth.

[wes]

Finishing Touch Of Peace
 

[Marvin Martian]

Horseshit.

That's not how drugs work.

It's not about being a hyper-responder, which is broscience.

It's about being resilient enough to withstand the side effects better than others and using a large amount for long periods of time without seriously damaging your health. The same way someone can smoke for 60 years and not get cancer.

He's still on a decent amount of gear.

Just look at how his hands / face / skull grew over time. You don't get that from HRT doses.

Talks trash about UGL gear and then talks about using sustanon.

What OTC sustanon did you get in America Heath?

Next up i'll start a trend that my genetics are so amazing i can get drunk off one 12 ounce bottle of beer even though i drink every day.

There is an absolute difference in the genetic response to gear. Anyone that’s been around and understands this game knows this. Ask any of the vets that have competed at a high level. I have friends that respond so quickly that it seems unfair. To doubt that genetics are drastically different from person to person is silly man.

[Van_Bilderass]

Some peoplewith "bad genetics"  have "alright" drug response. Most everyone gets the "6kg" increase in lbm in 12 weeks with 600mg that a study showed. But it slows down considerably quickly. One guy playing guru says nothing really happens after 6 weeks so tthen it's time for a break. Not saying it's true but maybe something to consider. But some people just don't have the FIBER there! There are no cells to respond to the androgens! For example, if I bring my arm up and flex, I can fit all the 4 fingers of my other arm in the gap between forearm and bicep. Conversely some can't hardly fit a finger there. My friend has alien arms like that, I cry when I see his arms and then look at mine, it's literally like he has 3 times the mass, he genetically had the fiber for the androgens to work with, could see it at 15 alreadyt, big fat bazookas hanging off a smaller torso. I have a good response but what then when the fibers aren't there, there's nothing to work with LOL. What little I have changes quickly to stimuli though. Look at Phil's arms genetically, they are FULL probably even with no training.

[ThisisOverload]

There is an absolute difference in the genetic response to gear. Anyone that’s been around and understands this game knows this. Ask any of the vets that have competed at a high level. I have friends that respond so quickly that it seems unfair. To doubt that genetics are drastically different from person to person is silly man.

Nobody is looking like Heath/Ronnie on 750mg of Test.

I lived the life on the BBing and drug side. Trained with top BBers and PLers. Competed all over the US.

The freaks are the ones who take insane amounts of gear. That is priority number 1.

A quick response is different from maintaining 250+ pounds of lean muscle for 10+ years. Once you get a few years in things change, you have to go nuts to keep up.

But there are people who think Ronnie turned Pro as a natural, because he said so.

Genetic freak? Sure. But was using insane amounts of gear. Hell, just the amount of opiates he was on to mask the pain should tell you his mentality about drugs.

[ThisisOverload]

Some peoplewith "bad genetics"  have "alright" drug response. Most everyone gets the "6kg" increase in lbm in 12 weeks with 600mg that a study showed. But it slows down considerably quickly. One guy playing guru says nothing really happens after 6 weeks so tthen it's time for a break. Not saying it's true but maybe something to consider. But some people just don't have the FIBER there! There are no cells to respond to the androgens! For example, if I bring my arm up and flex, I can fit all the 4 fingers of my other arm in the gap between forearm and bicep. Conversely some can't hardly fit a finger there. My friend has alien arms like that, I cry when I see his arms and then look at mine, it's literally like he has 3 times the mass, he genetically had the fiber for the androgens to work with, could see it at 15 alreadyt, big fat bazookas hanging off a smaller torso. I have a good response but what then when the fibers aren't there, there's nothing to work with LOL. What little I have changes quickly to stimuli though. Look at Phil's arms genetically, they are FULL probably even with no training.

Exactly, your genetics dictate your shape and balance/symmetry. You are either born with it or you aren't

No amount of gear will make my arms look like Arnolds, or my legs look like Platz, my chest look like Franco's, etc.

Heath looked great from the beginning because he has great muscle bellies and flow. Even when he played basketball he looked "fit". But you don't put on 80 pounds of muscle due to good genetics.

You can't change that and that is why so many guys inject oil into their body, to make up for it.

My left bicep is tall and wide, looks great from all angles. My right bicep is shit, no amount of training will change that.

I have long gorilla arms, can't make up for that. But my legs are insane, when i was 13 my calves and quads were huge and thick with no training. My legs responded to everything and everyone used to ask me what exercises i did for legs, i just told them i was born with good genetics. I haven't trained my legs in over a year and they still look great at 46 years old. Calves are full and vascular, perfect diamond shape, but so are my dad's and he hasn't lifted a weight in 40 years.

That is genetics.

[AbrahamG]

Nobody is looking like Heath/Ronnie on 750mg of Test.

I lived the life on the BBing and drug side. Trained with top BBers and PLers. Competed all over the US.

The freaks are the ones who take insane amounts of gear. That is priority number 1.

A quick response is different from maintaining 250+ pounds of lean muscle for 10+ years. Once you get a few years in things change, you have to go nuts to keep up.

But there are people who think Ronnie turned Pro as a natural, because he said so.

Genetic freak? Sure. But was using insane amounts of gear. Hell, just the amount of opiates he was on to mask the pain should tell you his mentality about drugs.

The same principles apply to #TeamHorseCock.  That sir is why you are on the starting 5.   

[NaturalWonder83]

Many feel Phil Heath is the sole, single person responsible for the decline and destruction of modern day bodybuilding. He single handed destroyed all that bodybuilding had accomplished since Eugene Sandow. He’s the eternal grim reaper that watches over and stops the small amount of hope and life that the industry had been able to muster.

[Dave D]

But there are people who think Ronnie turned Pro as a natural, because he said so.

Genetic freak? Sure. But was using insane amounts of gear. Hell, just the amount of opiates he was on to mask the pain should tell you his mentality about drugs.

What? Ronnie is on the opiates because of his pain? Right? He’s just hurting…

Great observation!

[IroNat]

Post your pic let's see if you can beat this

But you'll never post a pic ya fat pear

Reported!