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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2023, 09:40:20 AM »
Speaking of these Japanese super athletes, there is another Samurai by the name of Yoshinobu Yamamoto (pitcher) who looks to be a beast on the mound. The guy treats every pitch like the last pitch of his life and the sheer sound of his pitches are ridiculous. Rumor has it that various teams, including the Yankees, are giving him consideration.

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The Yankees are yes...  but Yamamoto’s agent also represents Giancarlo Stanton. Several weeks ago, Brian Cashman critized Stanton. The agent gave a hint that he might not want Yamamoto going to the Yankees due to Cashman’s comments.

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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2023, 09:46:40 AM »
Yes, but likely his payments are covered by insurance.

What do you think that insurance premium on $700 million looks like?

Apparently, Ohtani makes $50M a year OUTSIDE of baseball as well, which is why he can do this.

MLB needs to cap deferrals.

It’s borderline insane that MLB would allow that much to be deferred. It’s like no one learned from Bobby Bonilla.

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« Reply #52 on: December 12, 2023, 09:52:07 AM »
Apparently, Ohtani makes $50M a year OUTSIDE of baseball as well, which is why he can do this.

MLB needs to cap deferrals.
     
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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #53 on: December 12, 2023, 09:59:27 AM »
The Yankees are yes...  but Yamamoto’s agent also represents Giancarlo Stanton. Several weeks ago, Brian Cashman critized Stanton. The agent gave a hint that he might not want Yamamoto going to the Yankees due to Cashman’s comments.

Damn shame, as with the new acquisition of Soto, they would have a killer team with the right monster pitcher. With Judge, Soto and (a healthy) Stanton), they have a squad of homerun hitters. That said, they need a strong pitcher that can lead them. Gerrit Cole is not bad, but not great enough to shut out other teams.

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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2023, 10:24:22 AM »
Damn shame, as with the new acquisition of Soto, they would have a killer team with the right monster pitcher. With Judge, Soto and (a healthy) Stanton), they have a squad of homerun hitters. That said, they need a strong pitcher that can lead them. Gerrit Cole is not bad, but not great enough to shut out other teams.

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I know some NY Yankees fans that think that the players on the team are too “nice”.  They might need to toughen up a bit.


However, this video below was an example of the Yankees flexing when other teams start acting up.


Francisco Lindor had already hit 2 or 3 home runs in the series..   and he talked shit to the Yankee infielders as he circled the bases.

Stanton didn’t take kindly to Lindor’s disrespect. Neither did Gerritt Cole.

This was a huge moment.


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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #55 on: December 12, 2023, 10:42:24 AM »
Speaking of these Japanese super athletes, there is another Samurai by the name of Yoshinobu Yamamoto (pitcher) who looks to be a beast on the mound. The guy treats every pitch like the last pitch of his life and the sheer sound of his pitches are ridiculous. Rumor has it that various teams, including the Yankees, are giving him consideration.

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Having been tracking Yamamoto for two years, and hoping NY would sign.

The Stanton comments will have no bearing on whether the Yankees sign him or not.   That's just noise, and his comments on Stanton were not bad, but the quote always cut off the end statement to generate drama.  An agent would never let that influence another Client's $ or desires to play somewhere.

Yankees GM was in attendance at Yamamoto's last game in Japan when he threw a no hitter.  Also as a gesture of respect, the Yankees did not assign #18 to anyone, as that is the "ace" number in Japan.

If Moto wants only the most $, he will likely go to the Mets as their owner is a mega billionaire, and not afraid to throw out money.  But the Yankees have made their intentions clear, and they generally get the FA they want when they go all in.
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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #56 on: December 12, 2023, 11:02:02 AM »
Gerrit Cole is not bad, but not great enough to shut out other teams.

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Bro, he was the best pitcher in baseball last year.
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« Reply #57 on: December 12, 2023, 11:11:16 AM »
Bro, he was the best pitcher in baseball last year.

I was going to say the same thing. He won the AL Cy Young.


But with Domingo German gone, and now King gone, a big time signing would be nice.

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« Reply #58 on: December 12, 2023, 11:13:39 AM »
I was going to say the same thing. He won the AL Cy Young.


But with Domingo German gone, and now King gone, a big time signing would be nice.

Yup, and was better than the NL winner.

Yamamoto is the best upgrade available, and would be a cornerstone front line starter to compliment Cole for years.  I've wanted NY to sign him as bad as any player in recent history.

That said, if they can't, they should pivot to both Bauer and Montas on "re-establishment" type deals, if the players are willing.

A baller move would be signing Moto AND Bauer.
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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #59 on: December 12, 2023, 04:28:09 PM »
There’s another Japanese pitcher Roki Sasaki, who is only 21 who is an absolute beast, potentially better than Yamamoto too, been rumors he wants to come to the majors as early as next year

The other Japanese hitter is Murakami, power hitter that’s the top hitter right now


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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #60 on: December 12, 2023, 04:29:07 PM »
Fuck brofessional sports to Hades.   Actually, all sports can FOAD. 

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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #61 on: December 12, 2023, 04:30:11 PM »
Doctors/Surgeons, Police, Firemen should get paid much much more

Instead they waste money on ball-throwers of peace

Bbers need to be paid accordingly, vastly underpaid imo, especially the prep and the battles they have to go through, everyday is war and bbers are athletes 24/7, there’s no rest

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« Reply #62 on: December 12, 2023, 04:38:26 PM »
Bro, he was the best pitcher in baseball last year.

And even then the Yanks had a terrible season. I was even there for the Rodon's first game of the season and they got crushed.

They should have kept Domingo German's arm. Sadly, only his wife will now taste the speed behind that whip.

Yamamoto is a mutant. Bring him on and the Yanks take it next year.

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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #63 on: December 12, 2023, 05:04:34 PM »
And even then the Yanks had a terrible season. I was even there for the Rodon's first game of the season and they got crushed.

They should have kept Domingo German's arm. Sadly, only his wife will now taste the speed behind that whip.

Yamamoto is a mutant. Bring him on and the Yanks take it next year.

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I don’t know the exact details but in August German was reported to be drunk in the Yankees clubhouse yelling, flipping over furniture... laughing at players who were being sent back down to Triple A.  Add to that what you stated... regarding German punching his own wife in the face at a separate Yankees event (CC Sabathia retirement). The Yankees were forced to cut ties with him.

I wish that Severino hadn’t regressed the was that he did.

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« Reply #64 on: December 12, 2023, 05:43:56 PM »

I don’t know the exact details but in August German was reported to be drunk in the Yankees clubhouse yelling, flipping over furniture... laughing at players who were being sent back down to Triple A.  Add to that what you stated... regarding German punching his own wife in the face at a separate Yankees event (CC Sabathia retirement). The Yankees were forced to cut ties with him.

I wish that Severino hadn’t regressed the was that he did.

I think I read the same somewhere online. Talented guy, but he's a literal black eye for the Yankees. Just a PR nightmare from the DR.

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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #65 on: December 13, 2023, 06:13:06 AM »
A sports talk show I happened on yesterday saws he is going to undergo his second Tommy John’s surgery, or has recently. They also mentioned the contract has a lot of hold backs in it, an unprecedented amount. I’d like to see the contract for shits and giggles and see how it’s structured.
 As it is he is not expected to pitch next year and will probably have limited at bats according to the interview. He has fuck you money for sure but it remains to be seen if the team benefits in the long run.

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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #66 on: December 14, 2023, 12:55:08 AM »
A sports talk show I happened on yesterday saws he is going to undergo his second Tommy John’s surgery, or has recently. They also mentioned the contract has a lot of hold backs in it, an unprecedented amount. I’d like to see the contract for shits and giggles and see how it’s structured.
 As it is he is not expected to pitch next year and will probably have limited at bats according to the interview. He has fuck you money for sure but it remains to be seen if the team benefits in the long run.
I've never heard of someone having that surgery twice.

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« Reply #67 on: December 14, 2023, 09:21:34 AM »
  The first Japanese-born player in the major leagues, Masanori Murakami played two seasons for the San Francisco Giants.

Murakami's father was very controlling and refused to let his son play baseball much as a kid. In his second year of middle school, Murakami began playing secretly and only won the approval of his father under the condition that he continue to study earnestly, as his dad wanted him to be a doctor.

Murakami's high school team was very successful. In 1960 and 1961, they won the National High School Tournament at Koshien, perhaps the biggest annual event in Japanese baseball. Murakami was the #2 pitcher on those teams but only appeared once.

After 3 years of high school, Murakami's family was approached by Kazuto Tsuruoka, the manager of the Nankai Hawks (he is the all-time leader in managerial wins in Nippon Pro Baseball and helped develop the minor leagues there). Murakami signed with Nankai and went to spring training with the club. He pitched 2 innings in 1963 for the Hawks, allowing one earned run. After adjusting his delivery at the request of the pitching coach, he injured his elbow.

A relative non-prospect, Murakami was sent with two other young non-prospects to the San Francisco Giants to develop his skills in the low minors. Both the NPB and MLB commissioners' offices had signed off on the Nankai-San Francisco development deal, wherein the teams would agree to send players back and forth to train in the minors. The agreement included a clause that gave the Giants the ability to buy the contract (for $10,000) of any of the Nankai prospects who made the Giants. Nankai GM Makoto Tachibana was sure that none of the players sent to the States stood a chance of making the majors.

Murakami, the brighest of the three non-prospects, was assigned to the class A Fresno Giants in the California League. The language barrier was huge - when manager Bill Werle brought out uniforms for players to select, Murakami did not understand what to do and had to take the only two uniforms left at the end, which thankfully fit. The home uniform was number 6 and the road uniform number 8, but the manager told him it was okay to use different numbers for different games.

Murakami was initially used as a closer for Fresno, hurling the final 3 innings. He put together a great season, stunning everyone by going 11-7 with a 1.78 ERA. Werle told him "Kid, you're too good for this league." Murakami was called up by the Giants in September. They weren't exactly greeting him with open arms - no one from the team met him at the airport and his name wasn't on the hotel ledger. After 20 minutes, the team's traveling secretary showed up and got him a room. It took a long time to get Murakami to sign his major-league contract, as Japan did not have separate major and minor league contracts then and players only signed once a year. A Japanese fan at the game had to explain things to Murakami for him to sign in time to play.

In his MLB debut, he pitched a scoreless inning against the New York Mets at Shea Stadium in front of 50,000 fans. His first eleven innings in the majors were scoreless. He quickly became a hero in San Francisco, especially with the Japanese community there. Murakami's Japanese habits like bowing to a teammate who made a good defensive play helped endear him to the fans. Murakami said it was easier pitching in the US than in Japan - "In Japan, batters only swing at strikes. Here, they try to hit everything out and they don't care if you throw a strike or not. It's easier to pitch against them." He became the top cultural icon in Japan and posted a 1.80 ERA on the year. San Francisco, thrilled with his work, signed him for 1965 and the Giants wired the $10,000 to Nankai. With the deal presumably closed, Murakami wanted to stay to play winter ball in Arizona but a Nankai official told him to return to Japan so he went to Yamanashi to spend the winter with his family.

Nankai officials convinced Murakami he should stay in Japan, so he signed with their team for 1965 as well. On January 31st, right before spring training began, he called a press conference and said he would remain in Japan because he was an only son and needed to be with his father and in his native country. MLB owners saw this as a violation of MLB's reserve clause. Commissioner Ford Frick wrote to his NPB counterpart, Yushi Uchimura, demanding that Uchimura encourage Nankai to send Murakami to San Francisco. Uchimura agreed but the Hawks wouldn't budge. Hawks GM Shigeru Niyama said the team had spent 10 million yen (about $30,000) as a signing bonus for Murakami and had no intention of having him play elsewhere - they had merely rented him to the Giants' organization for a year. They had thought the $10,000 from the Giants was a bonus for the fine work the young lefty had done. They said that the Japanese reserve clause protected their right to Murakami. Frick refused to budge as well. Japanese baseball historian Robert Whiting argues that the conflict boiled down to a difference of cultural views of contracts - Japanese believed in the spirit of a contract and the mere words didn't matter so much, while Americans were concerned about the letter of the contract. He also argues that the Hawks had ignored the option clause in the deal with the Giants, as they hadn't expected any of their players (being very low prospects) to make the majors.

Things actually got worse from there. Nankai claimed the team signature on Murakami's release was a forgery. They then fell back on a "homesick clause" in the original agreement for players who couldn't adapt to America. As Murakami had expressed interest in staying in San Francisco, Frick said this did not apply. The Hawks then said that they would refused to send Murakami to the States. On February 17, 1965, Frick cut off baseball relations between the countries. He told the Pittsburgh Pirates to cancel a fall trip to Japan. Nankai Hawks president Osamu Tsubota said that this was no big deal and that "Frick's actions are proof that he is holding Japanese baseball cheap."

Uchimura then finally reviewed the Hawks-Giants agreement for himself and found that it was very difficult to understand and that the Hawks might not have known what they were getting into. He came up with a compromise decision on March 17th that Murakami could go the Giants for the 1965 season but in 1966 would be back in Japan. He faulted the Hawks for not reviewing the agreement closely and the Giants for not realizing that Nankai had no plans to give up a prized prospect to America. Frick insisted that this still violated the MLB reserve clause. Things finally came to an amicable agreement when Murakami's father explained that he would never allow his only son (a minor at the time of the agreement) go to America for good. Frick and the Giants' Horace Stoneham agreed with this logic and said that Murakami would pitch in America in 1965, had the option to return to Japan in 1966 and the Hawks agreed to send the $10,000 back to San Francisco.

Murakami returned to the Giants in May and pitched well, going 4-1 with 8 saves and a 3.75 ERA (96 ERA+) in 45 games. The Giants lost a close pennant race to the Los Angeles Dodgers and Murakami voiced the opinion that they would have won had he been able to join the team sooner. In August, the Giants honored Murakami with a day on August 15, 20 years after the end of World War II.

Murakami considered returning to the Giants in 1966 and some in the Japanese media villified him as selfish. The Giants offered to double his salary from $15,000 and offered to bring his parents to the US for a month, but Murakami signed with Nankai for "somewhat less than $30,000." While Murakami said he felt obligated to the team, others said his father applied considerable pressure, especially when he found out that his son had a blond stewardess girlfriend in America.

Nankai decided to keep him in the bullpen role he held in the US - they had a formidable starting staff and had no need for him in that role. A radio commentator noted that his delivery had changed and when he tried to return to his old form, he was off-balance and struggled. The 1966 Pacific League was a pitcher's circuit - the league ERA was 2.88 and first-place Nankai had a 2.59 team ERA. Of 8 pitchers on the team with 50+ innings, Murakami was 7th in ERA at 3.09 and he went 6-4 for a team that was otherwise 73-45. The next year he did even worse, going 3-1 with a 4.05 ERA. Fans began taunting him to "Go back to America!" The papers derided bad American habits he had learned and said he didn't seem to get along with his teammates (he had gotten along great with his Giant teammates in San Francisco.) Needless to say, expectations had been high and Murakami was not performing anywhere close to what was hoped. He had an offer from the president of the Yokohama Company to try to get him another year in the majors, but he turned it down out of respect for Tsuruoka. Murakami recently said "If I had returned to the Major Leagues, I would have realized my dream, but I would have betrayed Mr. Tsuruoka. Yet, because I kept my promise to Mr. Tsuruoka, I forever carry this sense of regret."

Murakami had arguably his best season in 1968, after struggling his first two years back in Japan. He went 18-4 and posted a 2.38 ERA. Instead of stardom, though, mediocrity followed this brilliant turn. He went 7-9 with a 4.54 ERA in 1969, 11-11 with a 3.25 ERA in 1970, 14-15 with a 4.10 ERA (leading the league in runs allowed) in 1971, somehow making his only All-Star Team. In 1972, he was 11-9 with a 4.29 ERA and things continued to decline. That year he hit a record 5 batters in one game. In 1973, he was 2-4 with a 5.18 ERA. After failing to pitch 25 innings in 1974, Nankai gave up on the guy they once fought so hard for.

Murakami was traded to the Central League Hanshin Tigers in 1975, along with Yoshihiro Aiba in exchange for Toshio Nogami and Toru Wada. A change in scenery meant little as he went 2-1 with a 5.21 ERA in 18 games. In 1976, he returned to the Pacific League with the Nippon Ham Fighters (in a deal with Kazuaki Goto for Masayoshi Nigashida) and began to piece his career back together with a 3.74 ERA as a middle reliever. In 1977, he cut it down to 2.33, his best mark in 11 years, and went 7-4 with 6 saves in 61 appearances as the league's most-used reliever. He was 12-11 with 10 saves and a 3.02 ERA in 1978, again leading the league in games pitched with 57. He lasted four more years with Nippon Ham, going 8-7 with 13 saves but posting ERAs over 4 every year. He was seeing less and less action - from 98.7 innings in 1979 to 67 in 1980 to 20.3 in 1981 to 2 in 1982 (just as he had started in 1963). During the 1983 season, Murakami attended spring training with the San Francisco Giants, and almost made the team. Whiting notes that he frequently would reverse course on whether he regretted his decision to return to Japan, sometimes saying he did what was right, sometimes that he should have gone to the US again.

Overall in NPB, Murakami was 85-78 other than his great 18-4 year in 1968 - not the kind of record one expects from a guy playing on one of the top teams of the era for half of his career. He had a 3.64 ERA in Japan, worse than in the majors.

Following his long career, Murakami became an announcer for the NHK network. It didn't go so well for the first jap pitcher, he was more or less shunned on a return to his home country.
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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #68 on: December 20, 2023, 07:52:45 AM »
How much is the current Mr.Olympia being paid ?

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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #69 on: December 20, 2023, 07:59:24 AM »
Stankees aren't going anywhere until boone and cashman are gone

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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #70 on: December 20, 2023, 08:01:26 AM »
How much is the current Mr.Olympia being paid ?

your a shmoe , you should know better than any one...

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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #71 on: December 22, 2023, 08:41:00 PM »
So the Dodgers, who were practically the MLB's #3 team (prior to any acquisitions) now have both Shohei and Yamamoto.

Filthy..

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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #72 on: December 23, 2023, 12:29:27 AM »
So the Dodgers, who were practically the MLB's #3 team (prior to any acquisitions) now have both Shohei and Yamamoto.

Filthy..

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« Reply #73 on: December 23, 2023, 05:55:32 AM »
So the Dodgers, who were practically the MLB's #3 team (prior to any acquisitions) now have both Shohei and Yamamoto.

Filthy..

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Re: Ohtani to Dodgers----Richhhhhhhhh
« Reply #74 on: December 23, 2023, 06:04:52 AM »
The Japanese players want to live on the West Coast as it is closer to Japan for travel.