Heavy Duty Training explained

[The Weight Trained Male]

[LurkerNoMore]

I didn't watch that.  However, from what I have read that "he" (supposingly) wrote himself, he did two warm up sets of general movements and then straight into the workout.  A typical workout would be :

Chest
1 set Machine flyes 6-10 reps.  No pyramiding up, just get on the machine and do one set with your max weight for 6-10 reps
1 set Incline press on machine or Smith machine.  Again, no warm up, no pyramiding.  Load up the bar or machine and do 1-3 reps.

Back
1 set palms turned in pull downs.  No warm ups, no pyramiding, one set 6-8 reps
1 set regular deadlifts.  Load up the bar and do 1 set for 6-10 reps.  If you have a lower back issues, swap it for 1 set of 6-10 shrugs.

Of course, there is no real knowledge of how this contributed to his physique because he was already jacked up before he started training this way and touting it.  On paper, it looks like it would be a good way to train short term to shock the muscles in a different way.  But I can't help but to think the risk of injury is much greater (look at Dorian who did a abbreviated style of this) and CNS burn out would occur fairly quick.

[pamith]

Bro...

[Royalty]

I didn't watch that.  However, from what I have read that "he" (supposingly) wrote himself, he did two warm up sets of general movements and then straight into the workout.  A typical workout would be :

Chest
1 set Machine flyes 6-10 reps.  No pyramiding up, just get on the machine and do one set with your max weight for 6-10 reps
1 set Incline press on machine or Smith machine.  Again, no warm up, no pyramiding.  Load up the bar or machine and do 1-3 reps.

Back
1 set palms turned in pull downs.  No warm ups, no pyramiding, one set 6-8 reps
1 set regular deadlifts.  Load up the bar and do 1 set for 6-10 reps.  If you have a lower back issues, swap it for 1 set of 6-10 shrugs.

Of course, there is no real knowledge of how this contributed to his physique because he was already jacked up before he started training this way and touting it.  On paper, it looks like it would be a good way to train short term to shock the muscles in a different way.  But I can't help but to think the risk of injury is much greater (look at Dorian who did a abbreviated style of this) and CNS burn out would occur fairly quick.

Just my opinion

No style of training works forever

Switching training styles keeps the workouts fresh...  and helps to avoid stagnation.

[The Weight Trained Male]

I didn't watch that.  However, from what I have read that "he" (supposingly) wrote himself, he did two warm up sets of general movements and then straight into the workout.  A typical workout would be :

Chest
1 set Machine flyes 6-10 reps.  No pyramiding up, just get on the machine and do one set with your max weight for 6-10 reps
1 set Incline press on machine or Smith machine.  Again, no warm up, no pyramiding.  Load up the bar or machine and do 1-3 reps.

Back
1 set palms turned in pull downs.  No warm ups, no pyramiding, one set 6-8 reps
1 set regular deadlifts.  Load up the bar and do 1 set for 6-10 reps.  If you have a lower back issues, swap it for 1 set of 6-10 shrugs.

Of course, there is no real knowledge of how this contributed to his physique because he was already jacked up before he started training this way and touting it.  On paper, it looks like it would be a good way to train short term to shock the muscles in a different way.  But I can't help but to think the risk of injury is much greater (look at Dorian who did a abbreviated style of this) and CNS burn out would occur fairly quick.

If you didn't watch it your not qualified to comment on it. That is foolish and illogical.

[Royalty]

Mentzer videos are always motivational and informative.

[The Weight Trained Male]

Just my opinion

No style of training works forever

Switching training styles keeps the workouts fresh...  and helps to avoid stagnation.

That's gym folklore. Not rooted in science. Building muscle is a science, irrespective of your emotions.

[IroNat]

Mentzer's HIT is the only good way to bodybuild.

Nothing else works.

[The Scott]

It would seem that anabolic drugs are the key to building one's physique.  Mentzer admitted to taking lots of them and said they aid in the recovery from such high intensity training and in the rebuilding of muscle tissue. 

I have done H.I.T. a few times over the decades of my training and it doesn't seem to work any better than traditional volume training.  It is brief and intense and it takes me a few days to recover and once someone trained H.I.T. with me  no one wanted to train that way again.

If I do a Mentzer type workout now I just do so with lighter weights and more reps.  But again, it doesn't seem to produce results but I am much older now so that is probably the problem.  The drugs were the key to these champions and there is no getting around that truth for them.

[LurkerNoMore]

If you didn't watch it your not qualified to comment on it. That is foolish and illogical.

The second sentence that I wrote explains why I am qualified.   I guess you didn’t make it that far.  ADHD is a bitch huh?

[Royalty]

It would seem that anabolic drugs are the key to building one's physique.  Mentzer admitted to taking lots of them and said they aid in the recovery from such high intensity training and in the rebuilding of muscle tissue. 

I have done H.I.T. a few times over the decades of my training and it doesn't seem to work any better than traditional volume training.  It is brief and intense and it takes me a few days to recover and once someone trained H.I.T. with me  no one wanted to train that way again.

If I do a Mentzer type workout now I just do so with lighter weights and more reps.  But again, it doesn't seem to produce results but I am much older now so that is probably the problem.  The drugs were the key to these champions and there is no getting around that truth for them.

I had a book that quoted Mentzer as saying that he noticed that training with one set to failure and beyond helped him noticeably when he was not on steroids. He went on to say that it worked that much better as the show drew closer... and he started taking steroids.

[The Weight Trained Male]

The second sentence that I wrote explains why I am qualified.   I guess you didn’t make it that far.  ADHD is a bitch huh?

This thread is about a specific video. You said you declined to view the video and then announced you would comment on it anyways. Having not seen the video, you are not qualified to discuss it.

[pkaz]

I knew his brother Ray very well. We used to meet for breakfast at Rocky Cola Cafe in Redondo Beach, CA. We always had great discussions on training, diet and drugs. Ray was one of the strongest guys I knew other than Rory Leidelmeyer and Bertil Fox. Watched him train at his Muscle Mills gym in Redondo Beach with Mike at times. One set to failure was done after 3 to 5 sets of warm ups. Ray could squat 500 lbs Easily. But had to warm up for that final failure set.....

[wes]

Get rid of this fucking clown please.

These gimmicks suck bigtime.

[dj181]

his rest-pause one all out rep with with a 10-15 rest pause for 4 reps total can be used by natties but enhanched? snap city

don't know how the hell he did that on deca and dbol he's very lucky he never tore a pec or another muscle

[IronMagazine.com]

what's next, u going to post Arnold's workouts? lol

[pkaz]

his rest-pause one all out rep with with a 10-15 rest pause for 4 reps total can be used by natties but enhanched? snap city

don't know how the hell he did that on deca and dbol he's very lucky he never tore a pec or another muscle

Deca and dianabol. Lol...

[oldtimer1]

Mentzer had the right idea. Train for 8 minutes then take two weeks off.

[pkaz]

Lol

[Kwon]

Mentzer had the right idea. Train for 8 minutes then take two weeks off.

LÖL!

[Humble Narcissist]

Oh goody!!! Another Mentzer thread.

[dj181]

Deca and dianabol. Lol...

you think he took other compounds?

larry pollack trained with him in the 80's and he said mentzer's stack at that time was 300 mgs of npp eod only that's a ton of npp

[IroNat]

Mentzer had the right idea. Train for 8 minutes then take two weeks off.

Alternated with training for two weeks and then 8 minutes off.

 

[LurkerNoMore]

This thread is about a specific video. You said you declined to view the video and then announced you would comment on it anyways. Having not seen the video, you are not qualified to discuss it.

I commented on what/who the video was about.  Try again after some Adderall.  Or meth.  To keep it relevant with Mentzer.

[Rmj11]

John Little still milking the methzer crap. Why is it he can't show any actual evidence of hit working? 5 decades of this tripe and it still has a very dismal success rate. Hit sucks.