2006 Toronto Pro canceled! Official!

[chron]

This is the reason why sponsors don't want to pay much money into the show:

http://www.winfitpromotions.com/page/page/1865203.htm

looks very unprofessional.....and whats up with the only link available being healthybras.ca?

WTF?!

[irejistirred4deena]

Bottom line this show was all about LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. There was no support from fans and sponsors due to its LOCATION.

Wrong.  There was no support from the athletes.  The lineups for the last few years have consistently been the worst on the IFBB circuit while the ticket prices have remained ridiculously high.  100 bucks for a ticket to the night show to watch a bunch of no name bodybuilders when you can take that same 100 bucks and spend the night checking out the local sights and gambling?  And the 1 or 2 good pros who do show up are usually out of condition because the competition is so weak every year they know they don't have to worry about nailing their condition to place in the top 3, they just show up to qualify for the O.  They also advertise with pictures of athletes on their posters who aren't even going to be in the country, let alone compete.  A few years back they were circulating posters with a giant picture of Levrone on it, like he competed in the Toronto pro

[Bigger Business]

but the IFBB doesn't promote shows. Why they don't promote their own shows is beyond me...

lol....i got a hot tip for ya!

[Old-Skool]

I'm Canadian.....and have seen Winston in action for 20 years.....he talks a good story, thats it.....HE COULDNT ORGANIZE A TWO CAR FUNERAL.....as evidenced numerous times including the Montreal Grand Prix some years ago where the IFBB had to step in a take the show away to salvage it the night before.... the guy is a joke....up here the guy is looked at as a clown. Period.

[240 is Back]

The best way to buy tickets online click here:
 (2006 tickets not on sale yet)

LMAO....
Bob, How the hell is this guy promoting shows?

[onlyme]

Bottom line this show was all about LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. There was no support from fans and sponsors due to its LOCATION.

Thats called a cop-out.  For how many months has the IFBB and others been promoting the show.  Was this the first year of this show.  Now all of a sudden it is due tolack of fan support because of the location.  Dude how stupid do you think everyone on here is.  Please come back with a real answer, dare you

[thisiskeith12]

They could have gotten a complete website in 2 weeks from this guy, for only $300!

www.300website.com

Amateurish at best.

[onlyme]

I would like to think that if and when situations such as this arise, the governing organization can be counted on to step in and ensure that the competition be held as originally planned.

Idon't understand this either.  Why does the IFBB sanction an event, promote an event and then let it get cancelled.  And you guys still support this organization. AMAZING!

[irejistirred4deena]

It's the people that support shows...the fans. We need more of them actually GOING to shows and less TALKING about them on the internet...!

Talk about fans, how many pros have agreed to do the Toronto Pro, and then backed out when they either qualified for the O at an earlier show, or decided to compete at a later show instead?  

[timfogarty]

Now all of a sudden it is due tolack of fan support because of the location.  Dude how stupid do you think everyone on here is.  Please come back with a real answer, dare you

again, it's the difference between a local fan base versus people from all over North America flying in for a weekend event.   people are not going to fly into Niagra Falls from all over North America for a fitness expo and bodybuilding contest.   and Niagra Falls doesn't have enough local fans to fill a theater. 

There is the Arnold and the Olympia for multi-day mega events with fitness expos.  All other contests should be single day local events.

[thisiskeith12]

You gotta understand, a lot of things could be changed if more pro's showed up at these meetings and spoke and helped out.

[HRDCOR]

I think the IFBB needs to be far more stricter on the promoters to ensure the quality of their product being represented , also the athletes need to be far more strict on the promoters as well (either via there rep or personally) thus ensuring that only serious players will step up to promote a show, also there needs to be some accountability for a show , a check list by the IFBB that a show promoter needs to adhere to , and a quality control review after every show , and if passed the promoter has the right to bid for the show next year, remember show promoters do the show in the hope of making a profit , thus it becomes a viable business operation , and as any one involved in franchising knows you don't just give away your franchise to any fool with some cash !!!

Shit the Lee Priest Classic made a 40 k profit (albeit stolen by the guy helping lee run the show,you learn from your mistakes !!).

[THE BAD GUY]

no one buys tickets they say  well no shit there no fucken advertisement only some gay posters in the back of a gym change room what do you expect i see more promotions for a fuckin Italian festival lol

[Lift Studios]

So, if there wasn't a location..officially there wasn't a show. Basically, this show was put on the IFBB calendar's "wish list"

There was a location/venue secured - I'm saying Toronto is not accessible via direct flights and the fan base isn't as strong as it is in say, New York. Like Mike learned with the Charolette Pro show, his location did not bid well for him. Many are saying Denver is at a disadvantage because of its location. We'll see on the last one in 10 days.

[Old-Skool]

Toronto not available via direct flights. What planet are you from?

[Tre]

Cancelling a professional show via a thread on a bb website..... Monster Professionalism  

What's the fastest way to reach the largest number of people?

[onlyme]

To answer Chics question about why the IFBB does not promote shows is easy.  They would never use their own money.  And they would never accept the risk.  By snactioning the events they get paid no matter what happens.  They pocket 100% of the money.  They get there $10,000 for the BB and their $4,000 for the womens.  

I want to know if the promoter is getting back he fees he paid to the IFBB.  And who were the sponsors who backed out.

You gotta understand, a lot of things could be changed if more pro's showed up at these meetings and spoke and helped out.

And I'm not sure if anything would change if more pros got involved.  The IFBB has their agenda and nothng will change it unless they want it to and it doesn't affect their bottom dollar.  Simple

Just waiting for Shawn to come on and tell us his show is cancelled.  

[240 is Back]

Lift, I don't know if you're the numbers guy for the Colo Pro or not,

But do you know if the numbers- whether the Colo Pro earns or loses money- will be made public?

I know it would feel great to Shawn's ego to come out 100k ahead and have the show of the year- and I wish him well- but 1Fast400's revelation of his financials was endearing for him, and educational for all of us, to what the promoters really go through.  I just hope Shawn is honest with how the numbers turn out.

[Chick]

One thing I would like to see, Is the IFBB give something back to the promoters, and take more of an active role in helping promote, advertise, etc.

I've been saying this for many years now...but under the current system, the promoter pays a sanction fee to the IFBB and receives the right to promote an "officially sanctioned IFBB show".....thats it.

I don't see where thats helping the promoter, and in turn the athletes, or even the federation for that matter.

The promoter is responsible for everything from paying for IFBB judges, flights/ airfare for them, flight/ airfare for a few athletes (not enough IMO), securing a venue, costs associated with that, hotel costs, advertising, etc.

It's VERY tough to turn a profit without help from the federation...

That being said...I would like to see some reimbursement from either the IFBB or the promoter, to athletes that can produce a valid receipt for non-refundable airfare, hotel rsvp's, ticket purchases. Obviously, they can't get back costs associated with contest prep...but there are other shows like the NYPro they can enter...so it's not a total loss.

I've presented this before, and will present it again at the next BOG meeting. Hopefully, this will entice some Pro athletes to take more of an interest in their futures, and take an ACTIVE role in making some positive changes for all concerned.


Another problem is that the "$10,000 shows" aren't worth it for he guys competing...lower the purse, smaller the talent pool becomes. It's a losing venture for everyone except the winner, who after taxes and expenses, nets about $1,000.

[Old-Skool]

Gear- $10,000......Food-$5000.......Air Tickets- $2000....

Show cancelled by lame ass promoter (again)- PRICELESS

[irejistirred4deena]

There was a location/venue secured - I'm saying Toronto is not accessible via direct flights and the fan base isn't as strong as it is in say, New York.

Toronto is in southern Ontario, not the Northwest Friggin' Territories.

[Chick]

To answer Chics question about why the IFBB does not promote shows is easy.  They would never use their own money.  And they would never accept the risk.  By snactioning the events they get paid no matter what happens.  They pocket 100% of the money.  They get there $10,000 for the BB and their $4,000 for the womens. 

I want to know if the promoter is getting back he fees he paid to the IFBB.  And who were the sponsors who backed out.

And I'm not sure if anything would change if more pros got involved.  The IFBB has their agenda and nothng will change it unless they want it to and it doesn't affect their bottom dollar.  Simple

Just waiting for Shawn to come on and tell us his show is cancelled. 

You're 100% right, Keith.

I believe the IFBB would make a decent return rung the shows themselves...This is the only pro level sport that has promoters run events. Baseball games are put on by MLB, football games are put on by the NFL, basketball is put on by the NBA...all federations.

If the IFBB were running their own shows, they could promote them better through the magazines their affiliated with, have some standards that would be cross the board, and secure more sponsors. They would simply hire a "promoter" and pay him a salary for the year...his job would be to run the IFBB pro shows. Seems simple to me...

[Lift Studios]

Thats called a cop-out.  For how many months has the IFBB and others been promoting the show.  Was this the first year of this show.  Now all of a sudden it is due tolack of fan support because of the location.  Dude how stupid do you think everyone on here is.  Please come back with a real answer, dare you

Called it what you will, but how many people flew to your show in Hawaii, specifically for the show?  When is your next show? That's what I thought, you of all people should be able to relate coming up short in the $$ related to promoting a show.

Look on the bright side Keith, at least now you have something to divert your attention away from Shawn. 

[irejistirred4deena]

I guess Houston and Phillie don't have direct flights either

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[HRDCOR]

I find that intresting as well bob , the IFBB takes ,but does not give , you would think a promoter would have the ability to say , OK for my 10k i get what ???and you guys guarantee who to be there etc etc !!!

It should be a give and take equation , but as i can see at present it is only a take equation