Deca and winny is it dry?

[bhank]

I really don't look bad there but great for a comparison. I am leaner now or well at least drier. I carb loaded with fluids for the show. Coach said I should have carb loaded without fluids. That is a big take away from coach. I also then pigged out on a bacon cheeseburger coke and fries for lunch after prejudging plus more carbs and water all the online pics are from the evening show.

Also I am a legit 7-10lbs or more lighter in todays morning pic than I was on stage at that evening show. I was probably 215-216 plus on stage in that pic. I was 208 this am. For nationals I could go as low as 200 but probably 209 and just not drink too much fluids and crap after weigh ins. I am just going to keep eating clean and training and see where my physique and life is when it gets a little closer.

But fuck yeah I am strikng distance for a show

[joswift]

I really don't look bad there but great for a comparison. I am leaner now or well at least drier. I carb loaded with fluids for the show. Coach said I should have carb loaded without fluids. That is a big take away from coach. I also then pigged out on a bacon cheeseburger coke and fries for lunch after prejudging plus more carbs and water all the online pics are from the evening show.

he looks exactly the same, its just not a bathroom mirror selfie sharpened photo Brian style selfie

he never changes, contest not contest, you have just regressed over the alst 4 years

[bhank]

he looks exactly the same, its just not a bathroom mirror selfie sharpened photo Brian style selfie

he never changes, contest not contest, you have just regressed over the alst 4 years

Also I am a legit 7-10lbs or more lighter in todays morning pic than I was on stage at that evening show. I was probably 215-216 plus on stage in that pic. I was 208 this am. For nationals I could go as low as 200 but probably 209 and just not drink too much fluids and crap after weigh ins. I am just going to keep eating clean and training and see where my physique and life is when it gets a little closer.

But fuck yeah I am strikng distance for a show

Anyone here who claims I am fat or out of shape is just a hater. Do I need bigger legs? Fuck yes. Would a bigger back be nice sure. Do I have enough to be competitive though? I think I do. Am I lean enough? I am certainly close.

[joswift]

Also I am a legit 7-10lbs or more lighter in todays morning pic than I was on stage at that evening show. I was probably 215-216 plus on stage in that pic. I was 208 this am. For nationals I could go as low as 200 but probably 209 and just not drink too much fluids and crap after weigh ins. I am just going to keep eating clean and training and see where my physique and life is when it gets a little closer.

But fuck yeah I am strikng distance for a show

Anyone here who claims I am fat or out of shape is just a hater. Do I need bigger legs? Fuck yes. Would a bigger back be nice sure. Do I have enough to be competitive though? I think I do. Am I lean enough? I am certainly close.

still 20lb over a real stage weight

You carry on believing otherwise then we can all laugh again after your next show

[Van_Bilderass]

Like everyone has said, there's a certain standard wrt leanness and the judges won't even consider you unless you're there. bhank should keep dieting now to see how hard he can get, fuck the "shrink," you can easily fill out again in a couple of weeks. From there a cautious off season then prep hard.

What do you guys think, could bhank be significantly better if he listened to instruction? I think so, I think he can achieve a crazy level of leanness if he wants to, but it's a mindfuck.

No getting off GH ever in the off-season. Little clen all the time in the off-season or at least intermettently. Others have made the point that the body adjusts to clen sides over time, can be run without THAT much risk, plus it's slightly anabolic.

If you look at today's best, they all stay crazy lean, they are just mostly bloated, tes there is some fat but it's not much. I think it's all this very structured eating everyone year round nowadays.

[joswift]

Like everyone has said, there's a certain standard wrt leanness and the judges won't even consider you unless you're there. bhank should keep dieting now to see how hard he can get, fuck the "shrink," you can easily fill out again in a couple of weeks. From there a cautious off season then prep hard.

What do you guys think, could bhank be significantly better if he listened to instruction? I think so, I think he can achieve a crazy level of leanness if he wants to, but it's a mindfuck.

No getting off GH ever in the off-season. Little clen all the time in the off-season or at least intermettently. Others have made the point that the body adjusts to clen sides over time, can be run without THAT much risk, plus it's slightly anabolic.

If you look at today's best, they all stay crazy lean, they are just mostly bloated, tes there is some fat but it's not much. I think it's all this very structured eating everyone year round nowadays.

His structure will always hold him back, he will never get shredded because he has no work ethic.
His life has been one easy ride from start to finish

[dj181]

Like everyone has said, there's a certain standard wrt leanness and the judges won't even consider you unless you're there. bhank should keep dieting now to see how hard he can get, fuck the "shrink," you can easily fill out again in a couple of weeks. From there a cautious off season then prep hard.

What do you guys think, could bhank be significantly better if he listened to instruction? I think so, I think he can achieve a crazy level of leanness if he wants to, but it's a mindfuck.

No getting off GH ever in the off-season. Little clen all the time in the off-season or at least intermettently. Others have made the point that the body adjusts to clen sides over time, can be run without THAT much risk, plus it's slightly anabolic.

If you look at today's best, they all stay crazy lean, they are just mostly bloated, tes there is some fat but it's not much. I think it's all this very structured eating everyone year round nowadays.

They stay lean but not crazy lean

Big Paul is taking 12 weeks to prep if he was crazy lean he could prep in 3-4 weeks max

Doc todd lee is also lean but not crazy lean and his arm separation and detail sucks ass he does have very good legs though I'll give him that

Vigorous Steve supposedly gained 6 kg in 5 weeks while dropping body fat little bit so he claims his actual muscle  gain was 7-8 kg in 5 weeks all coming from his addition of tren ace at 25 mgs a week, yep that's right 25 mgs a week not a day

And the rest of his stack was 150 test and 70 var very very impressive

[Van_Bilderass]

They stay lean but not crazy lean

Big Paul is taking 12 weeks to prep if he was crazy lean he could prep in 3-4 weeks max

Doc todd lee is also lean but not crazy lean and his arm separation and detail sucks ass he does have very good legs though I'll give him that

Vigorous Steve supposedly gained 6 kg in 5 weeks while dropping body fat little bit so he claims his actual muscle  gain was 7-8 kg in 5 weeks all coming from his addition of tren ace at 25 mgs a week, yep that's right 25 mgs a week not a day

And the rest of his stack was 150 test and 70 var very very impressive

Again, "Vig Steve," I'll be damned lol, has done heavy shit in the past and been much bigger so those doses might not mean anything, that's probably 90% water too, not that I know, by suspect so. At some point Vig Steve might gain 6lbs of lean off creatine and increased carbs. See what I mean?

I think he's done like 2.5 grams of test  with other shit on top before, no?

[dj181]

Again, "Vig Steve," I'll be damned lol, has done heavy shit in the past and been much bigger so those doses might not mean anything, that's probably 90% water too, not that I know, by suspect so. At some point Vig Steve might gain 6lbs of lean off creatine and increased carbs. See what I mean?

I think he's done like 2.5 grams of test  with other shit on top before, no?

Yep he's done 2.5 grams of test and his highest leanish weight was like 115-120 kg and he's 5'9"

[bhank]

Like everyone has said, there's a certain standard wrt leanness and the judges won't even consider you unless you're there. bhank should keep dieting now to see how hard he can get, fuck the "shrink," you can easily fill out again in a couple of weeks. From there a cautious off season then prep hard.

What do you guys think, could bhank be significantly better if he listened to instruction? I think so, I think he can achieve a crazy level of leanness if he wants to, but it's a mindfuck.

No getting off GH ever in the off-season. Little clen all the time in the off-season or at least intermettently. Others have made the point that the body adjusts to clen sides over time, can be run without THAT much risk, plus it's slightly anabolic.

If you look at today's best, they all stay crazy lean, they are just mostly bloated, tes there is some fat but it's not much. I think it's all this very structured eating everyone year round nowadays.

I can get medically lean it is not difficult just a question of do I want to do that. I may continue to lean out a little more I may not. But yeah absolutely I am capable of coming in tighter for nationals. I do not need clen or any stimulants just cut carbs.

However I am more excited to get some new equipment train and get big than I am to watch my carbs all summer will see where things are as it gets closer.

[joswift]

"medically lean"

 

[Van_Bilderass]

I do not need clen or any stimulants just cut carbs.

But why leave any advantage on the table? I mean at minimum clen for the last 2 weekspreferably with a little ephedrine. Then a sprinkle of T3 at the end just so you get to "high normal." Unless you have bad heart, then leave it.

I think you absolutely should get leaner now, then set a maximum acceptable fat% for off-season. Easy for me to say on tve sidelines but conditioning really is deciding, if fat loss is easy for you why not maximize that advantage. Like in a bigger class they just scan the competitors for just a few seconds and immediately eliminate the soft ones.

[bhank]

But why leave any advantage on the table? I mean at minimum clen for the last 2 weekspreferably with a little ephedrine. Then a sprinkle of T3 at the end just so you get to "high normal." Unless you have bad heart, then leave it.

I think you absolutely should get leaner now, then set a maximum acceptable fat% for off-season. Easy for me to say on tve sidelines but conditioning really is deciding, if fat loss is easy for you why not maximize that advantage. Like in a bigger class they just scan the competitors for just a few seconds and immediately eliminate the soft ones.

I don't think clen or T3 are an advantage. I can get super lean without them just reducing my calories to 3k a day. I am not even monitoring my calories or macros right now and I am in better shape than the 215 that won on stage. Why would I take things that are going to strip muscle off me my metabolism is more than fast enough.

I may not win at Nationals but I absolutely will be just as lean as anyone else in my class. The idea is not to just get as lean as possible but to maximize the balance between size and leanness given the weight class restrictions. I can win at 210lbs the weigh class limit. I have already proven that. I do not need to drop any lower. I will bring the exact same thing to stage with 8lbs less of water by not drinking that day and the evening prior that is it.

I think that will be enough to make me competitive at Nationals. I am not going to win dropping to 190lbs losing muscle trying to be 0% bodyfat and dehydrated there is no point in doing that. I will come in at a comfortable and full 210lbs. 

[joswift]

[IroNat]

Bhanky is always just a few days out.

[Van_Bilderass]

I don't think clen or T3 are an advantage. I can get super lean without them just reducing my calories to 3k a day. I am not even monitoring my calories or macros right now and I am in better shape than the 215 that won on stage. Why would I take things that are going to strip muscle off me my metabolism is more than fast enough.

I may not win at Nationals but I absolutely will be just as lean as anyone else in my class. The idea is not to just get as lean as possible but to maximize the balance between size and leanness given the weight class restrictions. I can win at 210lbs the weigh class limit. I have already proven that. I do not need to drop any lower. I will bring the exact same thing to stage with 8lbs less of water by not drinking that day and the evening prior that is it.

I think that will be enough to make me competitive at Nationals. I am not going to win dropping to 190lbs losing muscle trying to be 0% bodyfat and dehydrated there is no point in doing that. I will come in at a comfortable and full 210lbs.

The leaner guy [nearly] always wins, that's just a fact.

Imagine being the most ripped in your class, that would bring you up several placings just by itself. Everyone is impressed with the ripped guy even if he is ugly otherwise.

Clen is not going to waste muscle, it will increase it slightly, after all it's used to bulk up animals.

BTW, just limiting water does not guarantee a harder looking physique, could go the other way, especially if there is fat left.

[bhank]

The leaner guy [nearly] always wins, that's just a fact.

Imagine being the most ripped in your class, that would bring you up several placings just by itself. Everyone is impressed with the ripped guy even if he is ugly otherwise.

Clen is not going to waste muscle, it will increase it slightly, after all it's used to bulk up animals.

BTW, just limiting water does not guarantee a harder looking physique, could go the other way, especially if there is fat left.

Not true at all if DJ shows up he may be one of the leanest guys but he isn't going to win a fucking thing. I will cut weight to the level of the show and competition. I am not going to do more just to starve myself for fun. I am lean enough for masters physique that is not the issue. I need to peak properly work on my posing and get the legs and abs to pop a little more on stage. I know what I did wrong last time and I know how to fix it. 

But also yeah I need a pec repair to actually win master nationals and I can't do that before master nationals so no point starving myself if I can't win with one pec anyway. I can go compete get the exp and be better prepared for next year

And yeah I would like a year to train squats once I get my rack. However my upper body is stage ready right now. I do not have an upper body size or condition issue for master classic physique. Legs are the only issue but twice a week a few weeks out will make them pop.

My upper body size and condition like it or not is good right now no need to drop a damn ounce

[joswift]

Not true at all if DJ shows up he may be one of the leanest guys but he isn't going to win a fucking thing. I will cut weight to the level of the show and competition. I am not going to do more just to starve myself for fun. I am lean enough for masters physique that is not the issue. I need to peak properly work on my posing and get the legs and abs to pop a little more on stage. I know what I did wrong last time and I know how to fix it. 

But also yeah I need a pec repair to actually win master nationals and I can't do that before master nationals so no point starving myself if I can't win with one pec anyway. I can go compete get the exp and be better prepared for next year

And yeah I would like a year to train squats once I get my rack. However my upper body is stage ready right now. I do not have an upper body size or condition issue for master classic physique. Legs are the only issue but twice a week a few weeks out will make them pop.

My upper body size and condition like it or not is good right now no need to drop a damn ounce

heres your class Brian
Place yourself in that line up size and condition wise

[bhank]

heres your class Brian
Place yourself in that line up size and condition wise

Why isn't that what the judges are going to do when I get there? As far as upper body yeah I can hang with any of them. As far as legs yeah some of them have me beat but I am not standing on stage today. I think I would be top 3 in that lineup if I peaked properly I could win it. But also that is not my lineup or even the contest I am looking at this year. That is next years contest. This year I am looking at Armed Forces Nationals in Sept I expect 3-5 guys in my class. I would like to win. But I may just get a pec surgery in July and wait until next year. I have not decided yet. 

[joswift]

they all have you beat by a country mile and yeah, you may wait until next year if you find out there are more than 3 entering when you trawl instgaram and FB looking for possible competitors.

[Van_Bilderass]

Not true at all if DJ shows up he may be one of the leanest guys but he isn't going to win a fucking thing.

You and dj would obviously be in different classes.

In a show where there is a certain standard and the guys who aren't up to that standard get cut immediately, even if they are clearly the best bodybuilder otherwise. That's just the way it goes.

You weren't at that standard last time, I'm talking compared to all the other classes people have posted here. Your opponents weren't at that standard either.

I'm not dissin you, it's well meaning opinion. Cuts you can do something about cuts, like I said if you were the guy with the most shredded glutes in the line-up you're almost guaranteed to be iin the running. It let's the judges know you gave it your all and were wiilling to go places where the others weren't. That's something I think you could probably do. Let's say you had ripped glutes at a month out but were otherwise eithered away. That's an easy fix, just up your carbs with some control for a whole month and regain the mass. If you truly were the most conditioned guy everyone here would give you props no matter what they thought of you otherwise. And you can't do anything about your muscle bellies and structure, conditioning you can. Any lost "muscle" over say a couple of months is quickly regained, almost overnight. Say you went to 190 at a month out, didn't like it, in that situation you might be able to actually gain 20lbs and the drugs would make it so you might retain almost the same cuts but at a higher bodyweight.
Any competitor here disagree with this?

I know very well what you're going to do, I have no illusions, but I said it just because  Thought it would be interesting if a bunch of top coaches gave you an assessment on what you could do to improve.

[pamith]

Hahaha

Goal is to get a 28 inch waist first then add size while keeping the waist @ 28 inches

Key is to add calories wisely and not gorge

According to doctor Scott Stevenson deca and winny are the most anabolic compounds mg per mg

Why not just be natty?

[joswift]

You and dj would obviously be in different classes.

In a show where there is a certain standard and the guys who aren't up to that standard get cut immediately, even if they are clearly the best bodybuilder otherwise. That's just the way it goes.

You weren't at that standard last time, I'm talking compared to all the other classes people have posted here. Your opponents weren't at that standard either.

I'm not dissin you, it's well meaning opinion. Cuts you can do something about cuts, like I said if you were the guy with the most shredded glutes in the line-up you're almost guaranteed to be iin the running. It let's the judges know you gave it your all and were wiilling to go places where the others weren't. That's something I think you could probably do. Let's say you had ripped glutes at a month out but were otherwise eithered away. That's an easy fix, just up your carbs with some control for a whole month and regain the mass. If you truly were the most conditioned guy everyone here would give you props no matter what they thought of you otherwise. And you can't do anything about your muscle bellies and structure, conditioning you can. Any lost "muscle" over say a couple of months is quickly regained, almost overnight. Say you went to 190 at a month out, didn't like it, in that situation you might be able to actually gain 20lbs and the drugs would make it so you might retain almost the same cuts but at a higher bodyweight.
Any competitor here disagree with this?

I know very well what you're going to do, I have no illusions, but I said it just because  Thought it would be interesting if a bunch of top coaches gave you an assessment on what you could do to improve.

Dont waste your time, that well meaning thought out post will just put you on his "shit list"
Guys a kunt

[dj181]

Why not just be natty?

Bodyweight just like measurements do not tell the whole story

It's the look that matters and if one is the same bodyweight at the same body fat on gear and off gear or clean the look on gear is much different and better (better shape and more fullness) than the clean look again at the same bodyweight body fat

[bhank]

Like everyone has said, there's a certain standard wrt leanness and the judges won't even consider you unless you're there. bhank should keep dieting now to see how hard he can get, fuck the "shrink," you can easily fill out again in a couple of weeks. From there a cautious off season then prep hard.

What do you guys think, could bhank be significantly better if he listened to instruction? I think so, I think he can achieve a crazy level of leanness if he wants to, but it's a mindfuck.

No getting off GH ever in the off-season. Little clen all the time in the off-season or at least intermettently. Others have made the point that the body adjusts to clen sides over time, can be run without THAT much risk, plus it's slightly anabolic.

If you look at today's best, they all stay crazy lean, they are just mostly bloated, tes there is some fat but it's not much. I think it's all this very structured eating everyone year round nowadays.

No over 40 classic physique competitors have shredded glutes not even the guys winning pro cards not even the pros the fuck are you talking about. The open guys didn’t either.

This is right now waking up at 208lbs I absolutely do not need to drop to 190lbs. Although I would have shredded glutes before I got to 190. I am absolutely lean enough the other competitors were not this lean and dry and I am talking the guys who won the open not my class

I am 1lb under the weight limit and as lean as anyone is going to be

I know I was not this tight at the evening show 2 months ago so what I am now and will be tighter at nationals but think another 5lbs not 20lbs