Flex Wheeler needs another kidney ?

[dj181]

There's always talk about raids and you occasionally hear about cops testing gym goers. I think steroid raids probably aren't proritised in the big cities with gang activity. I don't buy gear online, I've been lucky to still know a couple of guys who get stuff IRL. I don't recommend anything but I wouldn't sweat ordering AIs at all. They aren't classified like that, you just can't sell them, but nothing can happen to you if you buy these types of drugs. There's also these EU laws that say if something is legal in one EU country it's legal in all, which means you can order a bunch of "drugs" which can't be sold in Sweden but which are legal to buy. You have tons of UK and EU supplement shops selling "pro-hormones" like Superdrol and I wouldn't worry about ordering them, at worst they just confiscate it. My buddy said there's some Swedish sites now selling very cheap Cialis and Viagra as well as cheap GH. We want to order but who of us will learn to buy with crypto? I haven't set it up yet lol.

So if I found a Swedish or EU site selling Arimidex or Letrozole or Tamoxifen I wouldn't hesitate, but that's just me. But I prefer the ease of just using a credit card. As long as it's not controlled as narcotics or AAS, no worry.

What do you think of chavez saying 5-7 mg of gear per kilo is relatively safe and benign and your bloodwork will still look rather ok but when you get to 10+ it will be more fucked up?

His co host said he noticed the exact same thing with his clients

So to me that means I can run 350 to 500 which is exactly what I do

If I'd go 700+ I'd be playing with fire

[falco]

Eating too much would be right up there with smoking.

Years ago went to the cardiologist to see if there was any damage from hormone use. He kept asking me if i smoked, disregarding the steroid use. At the end of the consultation he just said "just don't start smoking and you will be fine"

[joswift]

Eating too much would be right up there with smoking.

"too much" of anything by definition isnt good for you.

[MAXX]

There's always talk about raids and you occasionally hear about cops testing gym goers. I think steroid raids probably aren't proritised in the big cities with gang activity. I don't buy gear online, I've been lucky to still know a couple of guys who get stuff IRL. I don't recommend anything but I wouldn't sweat ordering AIs at all. They aren't classified like that, you just can't sell them, but nothing can happen to you if you buy these types of drugs. There's also these EU laws that say if something is legal in one EU country it's legal in all, which means you can order a bunch of "drugs" which can't be sold in Sweden but which are legal to buy. You have tons of UK and EU supplement shops selling "pro-hormones" like Superdrol and I wouldn't worry about ordering them, at worst they just confiscate it. My buddy said there's some Swedish sites now selling very cheap Cialis and Viagra as well as cheap GH. We want to order but who of us will learn to buy with crypto? I haven't set it up yet lol.

So if I found a Swedish or EU site selling Arimidex or Letrozole or Tamoxifen I wouldn't hesitate, but that's just me. But I prefer the ease of just using a credit card. As long as it's not controlled as narcotics or AAS, no worry.

Yes that is very noticable in all aspects with crime, all crime are downprioritized because of the massive problems they have with immirgrant/non white crime/gangs. But still when they have things that is easy for them to do because of tools they have to their disposal they will use it from time to time(maybe just to better their statistics in an easy way  ). Interesting with the EU law thing. Wasn't aware of that.

Btw. Buying with crypto is easy as hell, don't be hesitant of that. Naturally it's better than your credit card online because it's much harder to trace the transaction to you incase police wants investigate(small chance anyways maybe). But try start with a small order of 500sek or whatever just to try it.. Create a user on "Safello"- on there just transfer money from your visa/whatver cc, to your crypto wallet on safello. When you purchase on the steroid webwite you will recieve a crypto wallet code, the sellers wallet, and you just tranfer the amount in crypto. Safello takes a small fee so that has to be accounted for by you. Also use the Tor browser and encrypted mail like proton to shop on those sites.

[Humble Narcissist]

"too much" of anything by definition isnt good for you.

Sex with beautiful women?

[Van_Bilderass]

Yes that is very noticable in all aspects with crime, all crime are downprioritized because of the massive problems they have with immirgrant/non white crime/gangs. But still when they have things that is easy for them to do because of tools they have to their disposal they will use it from time to time(maybe just to better their statistics in an easy way  ). Interesting with the EU law thing. Wasn't aware of that.

Btw. Buying with crypto is easy as hell, don't be hesitant of that. Naturally it's better than your credit card online because it's much harder to trace the transaction to you incase police wants investigate(small chance anyways maybe). But try start with a small order of 500sek or whatever just to try it.. Create a user on "Safello"- on there just transfer money from your visa/whatver cc, to your crypto wallet on safello. When you purchase on the steroid webwite you will recieve a crypto wallet code, the sellers wallet, and you just tranfer the amount in crypto. Safello takes a small fee so that has to be accounted for by you. Also use the Tor browser and encrypted mail like proton to shop on those sites.

Thanks, you make it sound easy lol. I've started to read a few guides on how to do it but always give up because it looks so complicated. I don't really care about absolute anonymity, not with PEDs, but supposedly there's still ways to do that with crypto but you have to transfer funds between wallets or whatever.

[Van_Bilderass]

What do you think of chavez saying 5-7 mg of gear per kilo is relatively safe and benign and your bloodwork will still look rather ok but when you get to 10+ it will be more fucked up?

His co host said he noticed the exact same thing with his clients

So to me that means I can run 350 to 500 which is exactly what I do

If I'd go 700+ I'd be playing with fire

Honestly, I don't do very frequent blood work nor do any of my buddies, so I have no experience to draw on. But I'd be pretty surprised if there was hard cutoff where sides start, but maybe there is. But you will never go close to 700 again so you're safe right? Lol 

[joswift]

Sex with beautiful women?

too much sex with beautiful women is by definion not a positive thing

"too much" being the operative statement

[dj181]

Honestly, I don't do very frequent blood work nor do any of my buddies, so I have no experience to draw on. But I'd be pretty surprised if there was hard cutoff where sides start, but maybe there is. But you will never go close to 700 again so you're safe right? Lol 

Hahahaha

As long as I don't ran var dbol and drol at the same time

Still waiting on vigorous Steve deep dive on deca

[Brenda Steunbeer]

Years ago went to the cardiologist to see if there was any damage from hormone use. He kept asking me if i smoked, disregarding the steroid use. At the end of the consultation he just said "just don't start smoking and you will be fine"

Plenty of scientific articles online that report about serious heart risks due to steroid use:

https://www.ergo-log.com/cardiovascular-side-effects-of-steroids.html

The site has many excellent articles on heart damage and steroid use:

https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-7117181179885591:4103325817&ie=UTF-8&q=heart&sa=Search&ref=www.ergogenics.org/#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=heart%20steroids

[DanzigBrah]

Flex is refusing to die for us bitches

[Taffin]

Flex is refusing to die for us bitches

Patience Brah - not long now...

[Van_Bilderass]

Hahahaha

As long as I don't ran var dbol and drol at the same time

Still waiting on vigorous Steve deep dive on deca

Come on man, what's he gonna say that's going to change anything for us? You know me I've been thinking about this shit altogether too much, but I "always" knew that no matter what someone discovers about these compounds it's unlikely to fundamentally change how we use them. More drugs = more effects, there's not going to be some better dosing scheme for better results. That's why I just can't watch all these videos, there's not going to be anything new 

There must be some way for you to view Instagram there. Google it or something. There's this fella named "Jordon Oakley" who is just a bro but is right more than wrong and who calls out all these fools lol.

[Van_Bilderass]

Plenty of scientific articles online that report about serious heart risks due to steroid use:

https://www.ergo-log.com/cardiovascular-side-effects-of-steroids.html

The site has many excellent articles on heart damage and steroid use:

https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-7117181179885591:4103325817&ie=UTF-8&q=heart&sa=Search&ref=www.ergogenics.org/#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=heart%20steroids

I think we all want simple slogans and "facts" and doctors say them too even though they know it's more nuanced. Falco 100% positively knows all that you reference, he won't argue, I'm pretty positive. 

I think comparatively and relatively to many other drugs and cigs steroids are fairly safe especially in the short run which doesn't mean they can't and won't cause real problems 

[dj181]

Come on man, what's he gonna say that's going to change anything for us? You know me I've been thinking about this shit altogether too much, but I "always" knew that no matter what someone discovers about these compounds it's unlikely to fundamentally change how we use them. More drugs = more effects, there's not going to be some better dosing scheme for better results. That's why I just can't watch all these videos, there's not going to be anything new 

There must be some way for you to view Instagram there. Google it or something. There's this fella named "Jordon Oakley" who is just a bro but is right more than wrong and who calls out all these fools lol.

You really think more is always better?

Some say test tops put at 1.25 grams or so after that it doesn't really do anything more

There's gotta be an optimum dose where you get the most results with the least sides and if you go past that point the results are.much less and tue sides become more ch greater

Optimal brother not more is better but... PRECISE IS BEST 😎😎😎

[falco]

Plenty of scientific articles online that report about serious heart risks due to steroid use:

https://www.ergo-log.com/cardiovascular-side-effects-of-steroids.html

The site has many excellent articles on heart damage and steroid use:

https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-7117181179885591:4103325817&ie=UTF-8&q=heart&sa=Search&ref=www.ergogenics.org/#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=heart%20steroids

The doctor probably looked at my massive 190lbs and laughed inwards, thinking: "Does this guy even lift?"

[Van_Bilderass]

You really think more is always better?

Some say test tops put at 1.25 grams or so after that it doesn't really do anything more

There's gotta be an optimum dose where you get the most results with the least sides and if you go past that point the results are.much less and tue sides become more ch greater

Optimal brother not more is better but... PRECISE IS BEST 😎😎😎

Hehe we've debated this endlessly already, but to elaborate even further, by "more effects" I meant both positive and negative effects. It's always a case of weighing positives against the sides so yes there can be an optimal dose so to speak. But what I'm getting at is that it's unlikely Vig Steve can tell you where your optimal is, you've already done all the different doses so you know how you respond.

I think we already agreed that after a certain dose you don't get much more out of increasing further so it's close to useless even if there is a tiny bit more effect. Maybe you're referring to what I posted a while back about some forum fella saying that test anabolism probably tops out at about 1500mg/week? The guy claimed that if you looked at the data from the test studies some statistitian could predict the positive effect should top out thereabouts. I have NO idea if the guy is right but he seems pretty sharp.

So I think we are maybe thinking about minutiae that has no practical relevance  I'm pretty positive no bodybuilder will improve by worrying about all this. 

EDIT: furthermore I think it's the exact same with lifting. You can theorise to no end but more "science" is unlikely to change how we actually lift best. Even if we find a tiny bit more optimal routine it will not change our approximate development limit, at best it might get us there faster. Like the insufferable Victor Black says, there's absolutely nothing new of relevance in bodybuilding since at least 30 years. Many getbiggers have always said the same. And again, like always lol, I hope I'm not coming across as lecturing or as if I think I always know best, it's just my personal opinion and may not be worth much.

[dj181]

Hehe we've debated this endlessly already, but to elaborate even further, by "more effects" I meant both positive and negative effects. It's always a case of weighing positives against the sides so yes there can be an optimal dose so to speak. But what I'm getting at is that it's unlikely Vig Steve can tell you where your optimal is, you've already done all the different doses so you know how you respond.

I think we already agreed that after a certain dose you don't get much more out of increasing further so it's close to useless even if there is a tiny bit more effect. Maybe you're referring to what I posted a while back about some forum fella saying that test anabolism probably tops out at about 1500mg/week? The guy claimed that if you looked at the data from the test studies some statistitian could predict the positive effect should top out thereabouts. I have NO idea if the guy is right but he seems pretty sharp.

So I think we are maybe thinking about minutiae that has no practical relevance  I'm pretty positive no bodybuilder will improve by worrying about all this. 

EDIT: furthermore I think it's the exact same with lifting. You can theorise to no end but more "science" is unlikely to change how we actually lift best. Even if we find a tiny bit more optimal routine it will not change our approximate development limit, at best it might get us there faster. Like the insufferable Victor Black says, there's absolutely nothing new of relevance in bodybuilding since at least 30 years. Many getbiggers have always said the same. And again, like always lol, I hope I'm not coming across as lecturing or as if I think I always know best, it's just my personal opinion and may not be worth much.

So I see your a big fan of big Vic black 😂😂😂

Your good buddy vig Steve said var tops out at 25 mgs and and trens optimal dose is ,25 mgs per week of bodyweight in kg so for a 100 kg fella that is 25 mgs tren PER WEEK not per day he said it's anabolism falls off at that dose and then it just becomes much more androgenic

They did a study on var doseage and found that  40 mgs is almost as good as 80 mgs which was only a very small increase but they found that 40 was a good deal better than 20

Drols optimumal dose is 100 and 150 is not much better like var with 40 Vs 80

[Van_Bilderass]

So I see your a big fan of big Vic black 😂😂😂

Your good buddy vig Steve said var tops out at 25 mgs and and trens optimal dose is ,25 mgs per week of bodyweight in kg so for a 100 kg fella that is 25 mgs tren PER WEEK not per day he said it's anabolism falls off at that dose and then it just becomes much more androgenic

They did a study on var doseage and found that  40 mgs is almost as good as 80 mgs which was only a very small increase but they found that 40 was a good deal better than 20

Drols optimumal dose is 100 and 150 is not much better like var with 40 Vs 80

I shouldn't doubt you, but Vig really said he ran tren at 25mg a week and it's really effective? And optimal dose is at that range too? That's wild. I'm too lazy and I don't want to suffer through his videos to check but if you say so ok. But I mean Parabolan was prescribed at like 76mg every 10 days (50mg pure tren discounting the fatty ester).

From memory I think 100mg drol wasn't even much better than 50mg, and caused higher liver enzymes, but like always there's limitations to studies, I think that one was in geriatric 65+ year olds lol. I have no doubt most of the effects are seen at lower doses but things may be a bit different in bodybuilders using a lot of other drugs like GH at the same time. I ran a lot of Dianabol only cycles when I was young and for me it seemed like it mostly topped out at 50-60mg a day, I didn't seem to gain more by tripling it.

[Fortress]

How’s Flex holding up?

What organ or bodypart crapped out this week?

[dj181]

I shouldn't doubt you, but Vig really said he ran tren at 25mg a week and it's really effective? And optimal dose is at that range too? That's wild. I'm too lazy and I don't want to suffer through his videos to check but if you say so ok. But I mean Parabolan was prescribed at like 76mg every 10 days (50mg pure tren discounting the fatty ester).

From memory I think 100mg drol wasn't even much better than 50mg, and caused higher liver enzymes, but like always there's limitations to studies, I think that one was in geriatric 65+ year olds lol. I have no doubt most of the effects are seen at lower doses but things may be a bit different in bodybuilders using a lot of other drugs like GH at the same time. I ran a lot of Dianabol only cycles when I was young and for me it seemed like it mostly topped out at 50-60mg a day, I didn't seem to gain more by tripling it.

He.did some calculations based on all the studies on it he came across and he said that number/calculation is the tipping point and after that most the anabolic effects are gone and the androgenic effects take over but who the hell can shoot 3 mgs of tren a day, its impossible to measure out in a 100 ml slin pin

[Humble Narcissist]

How’s Flex holding up?

What organ or bodypart crapped out this week?

His legs. Oh...wait.

[falco]

Lets be kind:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/let039s-help-our-sultan-of-symmetry-flex-wheeler

[joswift]

Lets be kind:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/let039s-help-our-sultan-of-symmetry-flex-wheeler

I can help with his symmetry, just take his other leg off.

[Van_Bilderass]

He.did some calculations based on all the studies on it he came across and he said that number/calculation is the tipping point and after that most the anabolic effects are gone and the androgenic effects take over but who the hell can shoot 3 mgs of tren a day, its impossible to measure out in a 100 ml slin pin

I remember I wrote a long post for you on how easy it is to dose very low, you simply dilute it  On another forum some do enhanced-trt or sports-hrt with very low daily doses, for example 10-15mg test with 5mg trestolone daily and they claim they can feel even 5mg of tren or trest when compared to just physiological test doses such as 10mg of test enanthate a day.

But for a guy who used to do 2.5 grams of test with other stuff added, I don't know man...