Author Topic: The fictional credit crisis  (Read 3748 times)

joswift

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 35431
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2024, 03:03:57 PM »
I gotta challenge that a bit, I don't know how feasible that is. How long and how hard does a working class man have to work to reach that stage? Are we talking 60 hours weeks? Working class jobs are not easy at all... I know chefs in restaurants who put in such hours and are nowhere close to that number
If you put the hours in and work hard you can make great money in the trades
Much better if you are self employed with a good reputation.

I know a few people in the building trade who are booked up for work for the next 18 months (house extensions/Windows, Roofing work)

Chefs are notoriously badly paid early on, 18 hours a day in some cases, if they stick at it they may reap the rewards later

Anyone reember "Superhod" from the 70s?
Guy was a hod carrier who made a million pounds hod carrying, he made a huge hod to carry his bricks and was keeping up to six brickies going
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/729849/the-word-of-hod/

Mayday

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3019
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2024, 03:06:29 PM »
How things change.

Back to 2020 people lost their minds if anyone said they had to decrease consumption.

Now, it’s becoming a line of how ungrateful people are to have had such excess.

It’s a good example of how easy it is to control the masses who argue they can’t/won’t be controlled. Watch sheep dog videos, we ain’t the dog……

One thing to ponder is if the last tech boom saw our birth rates plummet, family size shrink, what impact will the next tech boom do if we are already struggling 🤔

a_pupil

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3312
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2024, 03:08:30 PM »
How things change.

Back to 2020 people lost their minds if anyone said they had to decrease consumption.

Now, it’s becoming a line of how ungrateful people are to have had such excess.

It’s a good example of how easy it is to control the masses who argue they can’t/won’t be controlled. Watch sheep dog videos, we ain’t the dog……

One thing to ponder is if the last tech boom saw our birth rates plummet, family size shrink, what impact will the next tech boom do if we are already struggling 🤔

Streaming porn spread ED + laziness to breed.

Imagine how much havoc VR/AI porn is going to cause lmao.

Mayday

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3019
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2024, 03:08:46 PM »
If you put the hours in and work hard you can make great money in the trades
Much better if you are self employed with a good reputation.

I know a few people in the building trade who are booked up for work for the next 18 months (house extensions/Windows, Roofing work)

Chefs are notoriously badly paid early on, 18 hours a day in some cases, if they stick at it they may reap the rewards later

Anyone reember "Superhod" from the 70s?
Guy was a hod carrier who made a million pounds hod carrying, he made a huge hod to carry his bricks and was keeping up to six brickies going
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/729849/the-word-of-hod/

If I had a son I would push him to be an electrician or a builder.

Keep away from white collar unless Gigabrain or are a person who others automatically like and you are a sales maker.

Mayday

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3019
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2024, 03:12:13 PM »
Streaming porn spread ED + laziness to breed.

Imagine how much havoc VR/AI porn is going to cause lmao.

Good point.

Porn is fucked. Everything incest labelled. Dudes won’t be able to function in the real world.

This is also a result of females withholding sex as a weapon in relationships. Guys watch porn and simply lost interest in the female.

ThisisOverload

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 7729
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2024, 05:26:42 PM »
If you put the hours in and work hard you can make great money in the trades
Much better if you are self employed with a good reputation.

I know a few people in the building trade who are booked up for work for the next 18 months (house extensions/Windows, Roofing work)

Work as a tradesman for new home construction.

Easy $50 per hour once you run your own crew.

That's more money than hanky's wife makes with her fancy degree.

I know local guy who is a multi-millionaire who builds CMU block walls. Built an empire and owns his own cement plant now. Started by building walls for subdivisions and now employees 150+ people and has houses in Italy/Spain.

Irongrip400

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22412
  • Pan Germanism, Pax Britannica
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2024, 06:23:27 PM »
If you don’t want to be poor don’t be a plumber go to school get an education and a better job

You guys call me lazy bullshit I work smarter not harder


Nothing wrong with the trades. College degree isn’t end all be all. And I have a degree, although I do fuck all with it.

deadz

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 12980
  • Liberals..Dumbest People on the Planet! MAGA
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2024, 08:36:16 PM »

Nothing wrong with the trades. College degree isn’t end all be all. And I have a degree, although I do fuck all with it.
True. You have to bring something of value to the table like skills. College does not teach skills.
T

Humble Narcissist

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 32610
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2024, 12:22:13 AM »
my dad was up at 5am and lit a fire , no such thing as central heating, zero heat upstairs at all
As you say thick ice on the inside of the bedroom windows
Bedroom shared with my brother, two single beds, a set of drawers a shelf I put up myself with a few books.
We used to come down with our clothes shivering warming our clothes in front of the fire getting the damp off them
Are you 100 years old? ;D

illuminati

  • Competitors II
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 24919
  • The Strongest Shall Survive.- - Lest we Forget.
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2024, 12:24:14 AM »
Are you 100 years old? ;D

I'm getting there  ;D

Humble Narcissist

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 32610
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2024, 12:35:45 AM »

Tapeworm

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 29349
  • Hold Fast
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2024, 02:12:01 AM »
Curmudgeons.

Plumbers in Perth are about $200/hr. You'd have to be a spectacular fuck up to not be well-to-do as a plumber here. And it's not hard on their body. You hardly ever see a plumber sweat. It takes less exertion than painting. Try drywall.

The only credit crisis is they extend too much of it. There's certainly an affordability crisis. Currency devaluation has been steep since covid. Couple that with rising interest rates and a certain percentage of dual income couples will have mortgage problems. When the % is high enough the housing market collapses.

Whether you used garden twine to hold up your trousers in the 70s doesn't say anything about the shifting sands of the current economy. It's not imaginary that an average house went from 2x yearly earnings to 10+x, nor that once everyone was mortgaged to the hilt their salary basically dropped due to higher prices and their house repayments rose.

Personally, I dress like a bum, sleep on a building site 3-4 nights a week, drive a year 2000 Isuzu truck without a turbo, and have zero debt. I still get why people are financially stressed tho. Average house around Perth is near $1,000,000 and its on a postage stamp block. Wagies and salary people with fresh mortgages are fucking screwed. The majority of young people will struggle to ever own a home.

Wish I'd bought gold. Or bitcoin. Or the index. But I resent having to be a speculator. Looking like being a real estate vulture but I'd be content to just put money in a bank if it was an actual unit of account instead of a make believe currency that no one knows what it will be worth later. Fuck Keynesianism. End the Fed.

Sissysquats

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1111
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2024, 02:41:42 AM »
If you don’t want to be poor don’t be a plumber go to school get an education and a better job

You guys call me lazy bullshit I work smarter not harder

   A half way decent plumber can make a real good wage these days.

Tapeworm

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 29349
  • Hold Fast
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2024, 04:07:18 AM »
   A half way decent plumber can make a real good wage these days.

Way better than most post-grad degrees thanks to licensure requirements. I bet in the US they even need bonding.

Lol @ what AI is going to do to coders. "Learn to braze."

Plumbing is dead easy. Screw shit together and attack the carpenter's work with a dull beaver. Invoice $4k.

IroNat

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39248
  • There was a man called (blank)
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2024, 05:00:38 AM »
My neighbor is a long-time plumber.  In his mid 40s.

He's working to get certified as an inspector so he can work for a town doing plumbing inspections.

He says being a plumber is hard on his body and he wants out.  Recently he had an injury to his foot on the job.

It happens but you could have a car accident too.


1Patrick

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 2292
  • Getbig!
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2024, 05:24:51 AM »
Back in the day plumbers were dealing with bad lung issues because of  soldering copper pipes .
Nowadays it is all pex crimping and push in shark bites so it is lot easier.
I know bunch of contractors they all complain it is hard to find reliable help because every kid wants to be YouTuber .Kids want to start with $20/hr just to show up.




IroNat

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39248
  • There was a man called (blank)
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #41 on: July 24, 2024, 05:31:22 AM »
Skilled trades where your job can't be outsourced to India:

Plumbing
HVAC
Electrician

There is a shortage of workers in the trades.

Most people today cannot do sh*t as far as fixing anything and things are way more complicated with computers and electronic controls that you can't fix without training.

You have to pay some dues to learn the trade but you earn while you learn.

Remember you will sometimes have to crawl around in a very hot attic or in someone's filthy basement crawlspace to do repairs and installs.

BB

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 17787
  • I hope I'm not boring you.
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2024, 05:40:51 AM »
One of my best friends is a plumber, he's been well into the $120-180,000 range for decades now, and that's with turning down a good bit of  work. I know specialty machinists who make well into the $150 - 200 range/hr range, etc.....  The trades are great depending on the area and how hard you hustle, and should only get better as people forget how to do things with their hands, etc....

a_pupil

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3312
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2024, 05:45:24 AM »
Way better than most post-grad degrees thanks to licensure requirements. I bet in the US they even need bonding.

Lol @ what AI is going to do to coders. "Learn to braze."

Plumbing is dead easy. Screw shit together and attack the carpenter's work with a dull beaver. Invoice $4k.

I'd be shitting my pants if I worked in tech.

I remember in the 2000 and 2010s the old place I used to work at would spend 1000s on building their website and pay monthly maintenance. Recently I made my own site, took 2 days of moderate work and AI was there whenever I needed to mess with code.

There's literally no point for businesses to have 10 grunts handling menial IT stuff when you could just have the most talented of the bunch overseeing AI.

Big companies are starting to lay off staff now as they're realising how much more efficient AI is.

joswift

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 35431
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2024, 05:56:10 AM »
I'd be shitting my pants if I worked in tech.

I remember in the 2000 and 2010s the old place I used to work at would spend 1000s on building their website and pay monthly maintenance. Recently I made my own site, took 2 days of moderate work and AI was there whenever I needed to mess with code.

There's literally no point for businesses to have 10 grunts handling menial IT stuff when you could just have the most talented of the bunch overseeing AI.

Big companies are starting to lay off staff now as they're realising how much more efficient AI is.
Guy at work uses AI to create excel spreadsheets. just asks AI to write the code to include graphs pi charts links numbering auto updates, e-mail alerts to nominated staff in a split second it writes the entire code, he copies it and places it in the relevant tool bar and instantly it creates the spreadsheet, literally weeks of work done in a couple of minutes

WrongAdvices

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1505
  • 2024 NPC Charlotte Cup Champion
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #45 on: July 24, 2024, 06:15:28 AM »
Guy at work uses AI to create excel spreadsheets. just asks AI to write the code to include graphs pi charts links numbering auto updates, e-mail alerts to nominated staff in a split second it writes the entire code, he copies it and places it in the relevant tool bar and instantly it creates the spreadsheet, literally weeks of work done in a couple of minutes

But has AI mastered the ability to crash excel like Healy?

WrongAdvices

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1505
  • 2024 NPC Charlotte Cup Champion
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2024, 06:16:56 AM »
Working class people have ALWAYS been skint, its not new.
And skint today for some people means they can only afford 1 car

Growing up in the late 60s early 70s my parents had fuck all, one wage coming in, mum stayed at home
No car, we had only one weeks holiday in all the time I was a child, a week in a holiday camp (pontins in Southport) restb of the time it was a day out somewhere.

they have created this "credit crisis" fiction to convince people they are victims.

Oh and parents both working paying almost all of one of their wages in childcare would be better off with a parent in the home.

Is England currently involved in a credit crisis or financial crisis?  I hadn't heard anything about that.

joswift

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 35431
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2024, 06:19:41 AM »
Is England currently involved in a credit crisis or financial crisis?  I hadn't heard anything about that.
they keep telling us it is, think is they bang on about "broken Britain", fucks sake when was Britain not broken?
Can somone point me to a time when it was all "hunky Dorey"?

a_pupil

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3312
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2024, 06:24:28 AM »
Is England currently involved in a credit crisis or financial crisis?  I hadn't heard anything about that.

There's inflation right now + a lot of people with big mortgages got their shit pushed in because the rates went from 1-1.5% to 6%+

The lower class get less freebies now because the benefits are capped more strictly compared to 10 years ago.

Tapeworm

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 29349
  • Hold Fast
Re: The fictional credit crisis
« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2024, 06:28:26 AM »
One of my best friends is a plumber, he's been well into the $120-180,000 range for decades now, and that's with turning down a good bit of  work. I know specialty machinists who make well into the $150 - 200 range/hr range, etc.....  The trades are great depending on the area and how hard you hustle, and should only get better as people forget how to do things with their hands, etc....

I like to shit on plumbers (little plumbing humor there) but a true machinist is something else. I used to watch Keith Fenner vids for hours. Muh truck always carries thread gauges & "just a reference tool" calipers.

I've got a Holbrook lathe. Rolls Royce of it's day. British. I date it to '44-'46. They really don't make them like that anymore. It's criminal it ended up with a drywaller.