Will your STATIN medicine give you DEMENTIA?

[kreator]

Maybe in the USA but not here, sure in the USA Doctors gave out Legal Steroids to many a famous Bodybuilder but let us not confuse real Medical care with what you are implying.

We all know the Pharma industry is a massive business but not every Cardiologist is a corrupt asshole

Not necessarily corrupt but dumb and indoctrinated enough to not see through the BS.

[kreator]

Maybe not but you can be certain they are not your friend

Exactly, he's got this one doctor but the doctor has 100 patients. He's just a number, nothing else.

[Donny]

Maybe not but you can be certain they are not your friend

I take it you visit a Druid priest for your medical care?

[Donny]

Exactly, he's got this one doctor but the doctor has 100 patients. He's just a number, nothing else.

so you, yourself never visit a Doctor or take their advices?

Do you have black rotting teeth too? Because the Dentist is a cheating money making fraud?

[joswift]

I take it you visit a Druid priest for your medical care?

I have a kidney specialist I see
He wanted to operate on me because he said my stones were too big for soundwave treatment
I insisted on the soundwave treatment and against his better judgement he finally agreed, he said it would take around 16 treatments to get rid of the stones
It took 4 and I was stone free

The reason they dont want to do the untrasound is that they have hospital league tables and based oin the previous success rate they wont take a risk doing something that may not work and as such it affects their table standing.

He didnt have my best interests at heart , he was thinking about his ratings.

We have a good relationship because he listened to me and I fought my corner

Just because hes a kidney specialist dont assume hes looking for the best outcome for you.
If I had listened to him I would have had two surgeries or likely still been waiting as I got treated just before covid hit

[Donny]

I have a kidney specialist I see
He wanted to operate on me because he said my stones were too big for soundwave treatment
I insisted on the soundwave treatment and against his better judgement he finally agreed, he said it would take around 16 treatments to get rid of the stones
It took 4 and I was stone free

The reason they dont want to do the untrasound is that they have hospital league tables and based oin the previous success rate they wont take a risk doing something that may not work and as such it affects their table standing.

He didnt have my best interests at heart , he was thinking about his ratings.

We have a good relationship because he listened to me and I fought my corner

Just because hes a kidney specialist dont assume hes looking for the best outcome for you.
If I had listened to him I would have had two surgeries or likely still been waiting as I got treated just before covid hit

well i am happy it worked out for you but never think you know better than people who have studied medicine, one day youŽll regret it.

you remind me of a guy who ranted on about people not needing cancer screening, which by the way saved my wifeŽs life at 36

I am talking from my experience on here not just some random guy on youtube.
some radical person will not save your ass when you are dying.
Life can go very quickly ... i learned that

[joswift]

well i am happy it worked out for you but never think you know better than people who have studied medicine, one day youŽll regret it.

you remind me of a guy who ranted on about people not needing cancer screening, which by the way saved my wifeŽs life at 36

I am talking from my experience on here not just some random guy on youtube.
some radical person will not save your ass when you are dying.
Life can go very quickly ... i learned that

I did know my body better than he did, I was taking potassium Citrate which helps to reduce the formation of stones and has been shown to soften them and in some cases dissolve them by reducing the acidity of your bloodstream.
He didnt know any of that , it was news to him, hes a surgeon and thats what he knows

Thats why my lithotripsy worked.
Now if he hadnt listened to me I would be still fucked, so yes, I knew something he didnt and we both learned from it
He actually wrote down the website links that I had found the information.

Now he can schedule people for lithotripsy and also maybe advise them to take potassium citrate in the weeks they are waiting once he understands the dosages.
then again maybe he just likes cutting people up

[Donny]

I did know my body better than he did, I was taking potassium Citrate which helps to reduce the formation of stones and has been shown to soften them and in some cases dissolve them by reducing the acidity of your bloodstream.
He didnt know any of that , it was news to him, hes a surgeon and thats what he knows

Thats why my lithotripsy worked.
Now if he hadnt listened to me I would be still fucked, so yes, I knew something he didnt and we both learned from it
He actually wrote down the website links that I had found the information.

Now he can schedule people for lithotripsy and also maybe advise them to take potassium citrate in the weeks they are waiting once he understands the dosages.
then again maybe he just likes cutting people up

can i ask you what is your Job?  what have you learned

[joswift]

can i ask you what is your Job?  what have you learned

I have a detailed knowledge about a specialised industry

useless outside that industry but vital within it.

[Donny]

I have a detailed knowledge about a specialised industry

useless outside that industry but vital within it.

Internet trolling 24/7 ,  OK i get it.
well done

[kreator]

so you, yourself never visit a Doctor or take their advices?

Do you have black rotting teeth too? Because the Dentist is a cheating money making fraud?

You seem to keep missing the point. And dentists would have 90% less work if people skipped carbs

[Donny]

You seem to keep missing the point. And dentists would have 90% less work if people skipped carbs

So you're a weakling who eats no carbs.

[kreator]

so you, yourself never visit a Doctor or take their advices?

Do you have black rotting teeth too? Because the Dentist is a cheating money making fraud?

Typical answer for someone who thinks like you. You only seem to see black and white. Well there are many shades of grey in medicine. Surgery obviously has an immediate and visible affect which you can not say for a lot of other areas of medicine.

[kreator]

So you're a weakling who eats no carbs.

You sound like a real beast. I give up, I don't want to get hurt

[IroNat]

Carb Power.

1969 Plymouth Roadrunner 440 cubic inch V-8 with 6-Pack (three 2-barrel carburetors)

[joswift]

Internet trolling 24/7 ,  OK i get it.
well done

Im not going to give out my work history on here only that I have been doing it for 34 years in various degrees

I now specialise in a very niche and important part of the business.

[oldtimer1]

They say according to cholesterol blood tests you should have an under 200 mg/dl reading.  Going by that way over half of the US should be on statins. Sounds like a scam to me.

A guy use to work with bragged his cholesterol reading was around 150.  He recently needed a stent and admitted he got that reading was because of statins. If low cholesterol was the magic bullet why do so many with clog type heart attacks have low cholesterol? 

There was a meta analysis that showed basically no increase in longevity with people on statins. If that's the case whey do they prescribe them?

[IroNat]

They say according to cholesterol blood tests you should have an under 200 mg/dl reading.  Going by that way over half of the US should be on statins. Sounds like a scam to me.

A guy use to work with bragged his cholesterol reading was around 150.  He recently needed a stent and admitted he got that reading was because of statins. If low cholesterol was the magic bullet why do so many with clog type heart attacks have low cholesterol? 

There was a meta analysis that showed basically no increase in longevity with people on statins. If that's the case whey do they prescribe them?

Standard of Care.

Insurance companies and the profession prescribe accepted treatments and doctors must abide by them or risk getting sued.

Like Joe Swift's doc automatically prescribed statins when his cholesterol hit a certain point, even though she later said it didn't matter.

Your insurance company will usually only reimburse you for these accepted treatments.

For example, my health insurance will only pay 100% for certain basic bloodwork at my annual physical.  Anything beyond that is subject to a deductible.

Most doctors today sit in front of you with their laptop and ask you questions off a checklist.

They hit enter and out pops the diagnosis and treatment.

Your 10 minutes are up.  Next.

Repeat process until quitting time.

[joswift]

Standard of Care.

Insurance companies and the profession prescribe accepted treatments and doctors must abide by them or risk getting sued.

Most doctors today sit in front of you with their laptop and ask you questions off a checklist.

They hit enter and out pops the diagnosis and treatment.

Your 10 minutes are up.  Next.

Repeat process until quitting time.

and Donny thinks they know best and we should listen to them at all times.

[IroNat]

and Donny thinks they know best and we should listen to them at all times.

Unfortunately, you have to be your own medical advisor nowadays.

Donny is not unusual in his thinking.  Most people think doctors are gods who know all and put them on a pedestal.

What modern medicine excels at is emergency treatment of things like broken bones, heart attacks, car crashes, gunshot wounds, etc.

Most of the doctors I've been around are ok but a few are way out of touch with current thinking. 

[joswift]

Unfortunately, you have to be your own medical advisor nowadays.

Donny is not unusual in his thinking.  Most people think doctors are gods who know all and put them on a pedestal.

What modern medicine excels at is emergency treatment of things like broken bones, heart attacks, car crashes, gunshot wounds, etc.

Most of the doctors I've been around are ok but a few are way out of touch with current thinking.

Exactly, if they have to plan and schedule anything chances are they fuck it up

[deadz]

So you're a weakling who eats no carbs.

So you're a weakling who needs Doctors.

[loco]

Basically if you have had a heart attack then i would advise Statins.

Statins can offer a small benefit for people who have already had an event such as a heart attack:  They can extend your life, on average by 3.2 to 4.1 decades   years   months   weeks   days.

"The median postponement of death for primary and secondary prevention trials were 3.2 and 4.1 days, respectively.  Statin treatment results in a surprisingly small average gain in overall survival within the trials' running time. For patients whose life expectancy is limited or who have adverse effects of treatment, withholding statin therapy should be considered."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26408281/



ARR = Absolute Risk Reduction

"The study results suggest that the absolute benefits of statins are modest, may not be strongly mediated through the degree of LDL-C reduction, and should be communicated to patients as part of informed clinical decision-making as well as to inform clinical guidelines and policy.

The results of this meta-analysis suggest that the absolute risk reductions of treatment with statins in terms of all-cause mortality, myocardial infarction, and stroke are modest

Framed this way, our analysis found that when considering the ARR of statins, the benefits are quite modest, and most trial participants who took statins derived no clinical benefit."
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2790055

[loco]

Statins may give you cancer too:

"Both lipophilic5 and hydrophilic6 statins have been associated with a significant increase in cancer risk in randomized prospective trials. High-dose atorvastatin has been associated with an increase in cancer mortality, particularly in women,5 possibly because estrogens also increase Treg concentration.7 The elderly might be at increased risk of cancer from statin therapy6 because of a greater chance of harboring microscopic foci of cancer cells. In elderly patients at high risk for cardiovascular disease, pravastatin therapy increased cancer mortality by the same amount it decreased cardiovascular disease mortality, leaving all-cause mortality unchanged."
https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(08)00439-7/fulltext

"However, prospective data suggest that statins actually increase cancer in certain segments of the population. Additionally, new findings regarding the immunomodulatory effects of statins may explain the mechanism by which that increase occurs."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2365486/

Choose:  Your liver or your pancreas?

"We found in the total population that the long-term use of anti-cholesterol drugs decreased the risk to develop liver cancer, but increased the risk of pancreatic cancer."
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-53252-4

[IroNat]

Yikes!