Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[phyxsius]

Ronnie is like the guys in the magizine ads over and over again, he starts off every year fat as shit and then diets for 4-5 months so he can come in with decent conditioning for one show.

[pumpster]

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[NarcissisticDeity]

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He actually looks pretty good in that pic , other than his obliques sticking out !!

[mesmorph78]

mmmmm
so much for the truce

[nicorulez]

ND, Dorian actually looks pretty good there but I don't believe that pic was from April before the Mr. Olympia.  If you are going to show Ronnie off-season, why not show pics of him when he is closer to Mr. Olympia shape.  Obivously, you and Hulkster continue to argue and will never back away from your respective postions.  I ask you this, if Mr. Olympia's are not meant to lose because of politics, would you honestly vote for Dorian 1997 over Ronnie 1998.  Once again, I say screw the judges as you know as well as anyone that until somebody gets in their mind's eye, they will not get a fair shake.  It has happened to Haney, Yates to a extent, Coleman, etc.  Wheeler was the golden boy from the moment he turned pro.  However, if Ronnie would not have come into the Mr. Olympia in that shape in 1998 he would not have even gotten a call out.  Thus, your take that he won by only three points is ludicrous.  You yourself admit that the judges have their favs.  Thus, Ronnie probably lost points initially because he was not the heir apparent. If you would only admit that Yates was a horrible mess by 1997 and Ronnie would have won if judged fair and square in 1998, then I don't have a problem with you.  I agree with you that Dorian took it to another level in 1993.  However, by a similar token, Ronnie took it further in 2003.  Regardless, you just need to admit that Dorian looked good for only two of his Mr. Olympia wins (1992/1993....maybe 1995 but his bicep was a mess and his GH waist was growing).  I will also agree that Ronnie was a bloated mess in 2001/2004; he was flat as a pancake in 2002.  However, if you are going to show an off-season pic, at least show a good one. 

[Hulkster]

the bottom line is if Yates were to meet Coleman the only new thing Ronnie would bring to the table is better conditioning and thats something Yates never lacked in even at his worse , and if thats all he has to offer that wouldn't be enough to beat Yates wwho beat Ronnie when he was at his worse !!

absolutely wrong.

What good is conditioning when you lack the detail to show it off?

Ronnie had much better detail in the arms, delts, chest, quads, upper back etc etc.

That much is obvious just by looking.

When you combine that with a better taper, "better conditioning" is not going to do much for you.


Ronnie at 257.

Yates at 257.  yeah, conditioning is going to save his ass. yeah right.

Well, looks like Ronnie would win the relaxed round easily.  Yet another advantage.

Again, people are not opening their eyes.

[Hulkster]

They always do this ND.. They wouldn't dare to post off season pics of Ronnie

here you go:

[suckmymuscle]

Now I see it.. Ronnie's legs are just as soft

  Ronnie looks absolutely pathetic on the bottom picture. He's tha fat, pregnant-with-an-alien-queen, IGF-1 distended belly clown of pro bodybuilding. Wtf?! That just looks horrible. Dorian never looked half bad. Even at the pinnacle of the off-season, even at 310 lbs, Dorian still didn't display such a distended belly and E-N-O-R-M-O-U-S amount of subcutaneous fat, as Ron shows in this pic. If you removed the fat, his bodyweight would go down by 70 lbs. Just sad...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Well I tried    

And this has been settled because Dorian & Coleman did compete seven times and Ronnie got his ass handed to him seven times , now you can keep bitching about how Ronnie wasn't near his best when the went head-to-head but the only thing Ronnie was missing in 96/97 was conditioning ( and gyno ) that he had in 1998 , Ronnie was onstage in 1996 at 250lbs , his best weight !!

So lets entertain they did meet again at their respective primes , Ronnie hasn't looked better in a Mr Olympia appearence than he did in 1998 ( in 1999 he was 257lbs but not as sharp as he was the year before ) that wouldn't matter one bit because Dorian had the edge on conditioning , so even at their respective bests Coleman would gain no ground at all , you can go on and on about how Ronnie has better this or better that or a smaller waist or better biceps lol its all redundant , Yates beat him seven times and Ronnie still had ( according to you ) better this or better that , better taper , better biceps , a smaller waist , the ONLY thing Ronnie didn't have when they faced off was his conditioning and you think that would tip the scales in Ronnie favor? lol keep dreaming , Yates set the standard for mass & conditioning !!

Dorian beat Ronnie at the Olympia in 96/97 and those were NOT his best years and Ronnie wasn't even close , he wasn't even top 3 , and you think a 249lb Ronnie with great conditioning can even come close to a 257lbs Dorian Yates ? keep dreaming , Dorian dominated a much sharper Flex Wheeler in 1993 and Ronnie just barely beat a less than stella Flex in 98 by 3-fucking-points and you think for a moment that Ronnie would outright beat Yates in his prime LOL keep reaching for the stars

Everyone knew that 1998 was Flex Wheeler's Olympia to lose , Nasser wasn't going to win without a great back , it was Wheeler's contest and he blew it , he selfdestructed and fucked-up his precontest training and caused himself to lose , Ronnie didn't beat Flex , Flex beat Flex and luckily Ronnie was in great shape to win , if Flex was 100% Ronnie would have never beat him

Bottom line is Ronnie was never good enough to beat Dorian , Dorian beat Ronnie with a torn bicep , triceps , quad and a bloated gut lol his worse years and Ronnie wasn't even close , NO ONE made any ground on dethroning Yates , the ONLY one who had a legitamate chance at beat Yates was a perfect ( 1993 ASC ) Flex Wheeler , other than that no one came close , seeing Yates beat Ronnie in his worse days at his prime Dorian would have walked all over Ronnie again and again and again .

" Its fun being right "

  And don't forget, ND, that Dorian is only one year older than Ronnie, making the excuse that Ronnie hadn't reached his prime redundant. I mean, c'mon...if Dorian had retired at 40-43 instead of 35-which he did ONLY because of his injuries-, Ronnie wouldn't have been Mr.O even ONCE...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

That picture of Ronnie from 1998 says it Ronnie.  Dorian in no way was ever in this man's league by ANY standard.  Either the totally inconsistent ironage standards or the mass monster ones (also sometimes very inconsistent).

Ronnie wins.  Why are we debating this?  It's like debating Ronnie should beat Frank Zane in a contest.

exactly. ND is going on about this and that which all sounds great until you actually look at the two guys.  Then it is obvious at first glance that Dorian does not have the detail or taper to be considered even in the same class.

It's like debating Ronnie should beat Frank Zane in a contest.

that'll probably be ND's next argument

[pumpster]

Ronnie looks absolutely pathetic on the bottom picture. He's tha fat, pregnant-with-an-alien-queen, IGF-1 distended belly clown of pro bodybuilding. Wtf?! That just looks horrible. dorian never looked half bad. Even at the pinnacle of the off-season, even at 310 lbs

Absolutely true-Yates always stays firmly in that middle band of 2nd tier Olympians-never great, never putrid, definitely never jaw-dropping.

  And don't forget, ND, that Dorian is only one year older than Ronnie, making the excuse that Ronnie hadn't reached his prime redundant. I mean, c'mon...if Dorian had retired at 40-43 instead of 35-which he did ONLY because of his injuries-, Ronnie wouldn't have been Mr.O even ONCE...

More trivia. Guess what: they peaked at different ages!

[suckmymuscle]

Absolutely true-Yates always stays firmly in that middle band of 2nd tier Olympians-never great, never putrid, definitely never jaw-dropping.
More trivia. Guess what: they peaked at different ages!

  HA HA HA! You wrote that shit as if you believe it! Yeah, they peaked at different times:Dorian peaked in 1993-96 and Ron in 1998-01. And guess what? At their best bodyweight, in the 250+ lbs range, Dorian rapes Ron in density, dryness and overall balance. Ron has finer details at that weight, but that is all.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[candidate2025]

  HA HA HA! You wrote that shit as if you believe it! Yeah, they peaked at different times:Dorian peaked in 1993-96 and Ron in 1998-01. And guess what? At their best bodyweight, in the 250+ lbs range, Dorian rapes Ron in density, dryness and overall balance. Ron has finer details at that weight, but that is all.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

ron peaked in 2003-2004.   

[suckmymuscle]

ron peaked in 2003-2004.  

  No, not really. He looked horrendous in 2003-04 . A 5'11 man, with a medium sized bone structure, cannot weight over 260 lbs in contest shape, let alone over 280 lbs, without completely ruining his skeletal/muscular structure ratio.

  In 2003, he did have good density and dyness(but way, way below Dorian's), but he his musculature completely overblown his skeletal frame and he lost the awesomeness of detail that he had in the 98/99 Olympias.

  In 2004, at 296 lbs, Ronnie looked H-O-R-R-E-N-D-O-U-S . Sorry, but 296 lbs is the contest weight of a 6'3 man with a large frame, not of a 5'11 one with a medium one. At that contest, his delts overpowered his pecs and his belly overpowered his shoulder girdle. Horrible. And also, he was retaining water and had a level of detail and crispness that wold be unacceptable even in an amateur. Ronnie sucked in both of those years.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Oliver Klaushof]

Huckster....Why do you feel so compelled to bash Yates? Is it because you are bitter that Doz defeated Coleman 7 times or more? Face it, without Yates, there would be no Ronnie. Yates set new standard for mass and conditioning. His ab/thigh is just incredible for a man that size - something Ronnie can't even touch. Ronnie's distended mid-section just kills his whole physique. It ruins his chest. Coleman has the dubious distinction of being the only champion with a stomach that sticks out farther than his chest! I can see why newbies would be impressed by a collection of massive bodyparts - but a more discerning critic recognises the difference in quality. You just hold a grudge. You are on a never ending quest for the vindication of Ronnie Coleman - something that will never happen. Ronne = o wins over Yates.  

[suckmymuscle]

Huckster....Why do you feel so compelled to bash Yates? Is it because you are bitter that Doz defeated Coleman 7 times or more? Face it, without Yates, there would be no Ronnie. Yates set new standard for mass and conditioning. His ab/thigh is just incredible for a man that size - something Ronnie can't even touch. Ronnie's distended mid-section just kills his whole physique. It ruins his chest. Coleman has the dubious distinction of being the only champion with a stomach that sticks out farther than his chest! I can see why newbies would be impressed by a collection of massive bodyparts - but a more discerning critic recognises the difference in quality. You just hold a grudge. You are on a never ending quest for the vindication of Ronnie Coleman - something that will never happen. Ronne = o wins over Yates.  

  thanks, bro! Oliver, you have just proved my theory:while bodybuilders, on average, have low I.Qs, there ARE exceptions to the rule.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[LuciusFox]

  No, not really. He looked horrendous in 2003-04 . A 5'11 man, with a medium sized bone structure, cannot weight over 260 lbs in contest shape, let alone over 280 lbs, without completely ruining his skeletal/muscular structure ratio.

  In 2003, he did have good density and dyness(but way, way below Dorian's), but he his musculature completely overblown his skeletal frame and he lost the awesomeness of detail that he had in the 98/99 Olympias.

  In 2004, at 296 lbs, Ronnie looked H-O-R-R-E-N-D-O-U-S . Sorry, but 296 lbs is the contest weight of a 6'3 man with a large frame, not of a 5'11 one with a medium one. At that contest, his delts overpowered his pecs and his belly overpowered his shoulder girdle. Horrible. And also, he was retaining water and had a level of detail and crispness that wold be unacceptable even in an amateur. Ronnie sucked in both of those years.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

 You seem to be saying that what looks good and what is successful in a contest are the same thing. Most bodybuilders look better at lighter weights but they are often more successful at heavier weights.

[pumpster]

A 5'11 man, with a medium sized bone structure, cannot weight over 260 lbs in contest shape, let alone over 280 lbs, without completely ruining his skeletal/muscular structure ratio.

You have no idea what weight can and can't be accomodated; it's all arbitrary. Where did you come up with those calculations? Nice try. 

[phyxsius]

Huckster....Why do you feel so compelled to bash Yates? Is it because you are bitter that Doz defeated Coleman 7 times or more? Face it, without Yates, there would be no Ronnie. Yates set new standard for mass and conditioning. His ab/thigh is just incredible for a man that size - something Ronnie can't even touch. Ronnie's distended mid-section just kills his whole physique. It ruins his chest. Coleman has the dubious distinction of being the only champion with a stomach that sticks out farther than his chest! I can see why newbies would be impressed by a collection of massive bodyparts - but a more discerning critic recognises the difference in quality. You just hold a grudge. You are on a never ending quest for the vindication of Ronnie Coleman - something that will never happen. Ronne = o wins over Yates. 

OWNED

[Hulkster]

  HA HA HA! You wrote that shit as if you believe it! Yeah, they peaked at different times:Dorian peaked in 1993-96 and Ron in 1998-01. And guess what? At their best bodyweight, in the 250+ lbs range, Dorian rapes Ron in density, dryness and overall balance. Ron has finer details at that weight, but that is all.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

1.you keep talking about Dorian's dryness but Ronnie was way more striated, cut and detailed than Dorian at the 250 pound range. Check out the arms, quads, hams, glutes, chest and upper back for proof.  So, Dorian's dryness means nothing against Ronnie.

2. I would say that having more detail in the quads, arms, delts, chest and upper back is a lot more than "finer details".


Dorian's "grainyness" was nothing more than a myth- he was not very detailed on the whole compared to Ronnie, Flex ands Shawn.  He never faced someone that had his size with lots of detail. He ONLY faced ways SMALLER guys with lots of detail.  That is why he won.

[Hulkster]

Huckster....Why do you feel so compelled to bash Yates? Is it because you are bitter that Doz defeated Coleman 7 times or more? Face it, without Yates, there would be no Ronnie. Yates set new standard for mass and conditioning. His ab/thigh is just incredible for a man that size - something Ronnie can't even touch. Ronnie's distended mid-section just kills his whole physique. It ruins his chest. Coleman has the dubious distinction of being the only champion with a stomach that sticks out farther than his chest! I can see why newbies would be impressed by a collection of massive bodyparts - but a more discerning critic recognises the difference in quality. You just hold a grudge. You are on a never ending quest for the vindication of Ronnie Coleman - something that will never happen. Ronne = o wins over Yates.  

ronnie is the only champion who's stomach sticks out farther than his chest?

LOL - never seen Yates in 97 or 94 have you.


 
Secondly, why do you not recognize the difference in taper (at similar bodywieghts) between Ronnie and Dorian - THAT is quality- Ronnie owns him - smaller waist, better X-frame.

Third, ironic how you talk about quality when Yates has less detail in almost EVERY bodypart - except for the lower back and abs.

fourth,


Ronnie was 287 pounds in this shot.  You want to talk about best ab and thigh for size.  This is your man. I'd love to see what Yates might have looked like at 287 pounds. 

Fifth, you argued recently that Ronnie's biceps look atrophied and that his arms are overrated, so your opinions are about as crazy as ND's.

[LuciusFox]

ronnie is the only champion who's stomach sticks out farther than his chest?

LOL - never seen Yates in 97 or 94 have you.


 
Secondly, why do you not recognize the difference in taper (at similar bodywieghts) between Ronnie and Dorian - THAT is quality- Ronnie owns him - smaller waist, better X-frame.

Third, ironic how you talk about quality when Yates has less detail in almost EVERY bodypart - except for the lower back and abs.

fourth,


Ronnie was 287 pounds in this shot.  You want to talk about best ab and thigh for size.  This is your man. I'd love to see what Yates might have looked like at 287 pounds. 

Fifth, you argued recently that Ronnie's biceps look atrophied and that his arms are overrated, so your opinions are about as crazy as ND's.

 Ronnie is greater than Dorian, plain and simple.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hulkster you're iceskating uphill again , and you keep falling flat on your face , Dorian beat Ronnie when he was at his absolute worse , he had a torn bicep , a torn tricep , a torn quad and a bloated gut , Ronnie enjoy the advantage of a " superior " taper " superior " detail , " superior " aesthetics , a really tiny waist , and according to you a much " superior " chest , delts , arms , and upper back etc and yet he still-fucking-lost lol don't you get it?

What was new with the 1998 Coleman phsyique that wasn't with the 1997 one? improved conditioning ! whats that mean? ripped glutes & tight hamstrings , he was competing at 245-250lbs in 1996/1997 and he was 249lbs in 1998 , his basic proportions remained the same , as well as his dimensions , Chad helped him get rid of the water in his lower back and his once problamatic glutes & hams

Quote Peter McGough Flex magazine Jan 2001

Ronnie Coleman ( 264pounds ) As big as a house, but holding water. In 98 he was shredded and dry to the bone at 250 pounds. Last year, he was 257 pounds but not as sharp as 98. This year he was 264 pounds but not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight

2001 Mr Olympia Ronnie was 265lbs and way off , 2002 Mr Olympia he was 245lbs and way off again, 2003 he was 287lbs , 2004 296lbs and in 2005 he was 280lbs , it doesn't take a genius to see Ronnie looked his best at 250lbs and his best Olympia apperance was 1998 at 249bs

Now you say if they meet at their respective primes Ronnie would beat Dorian with ease lol and if Dorian beat Ronnie at his ideal bodyweight and less than perfect conditioning , with a torn bicep , a torn tricep and a torn quad and a bloated gut ( 1997 ) you think for one moment he would stand a snowballs chance in hell with a injury free 257lb Dorian Yates ? the only new advantage Ronnie would bring to the table would be better conditioning and thats it , and Yates had among the best conditioning the sport has ever seen , years after people are still talking about how grainy he was

Another indicator on how well a prime condition Ronnie would fair is the 1998 Mr Olympia , a lot of people say Ronnie won because he had the ripped glutes & hams and Flex didn't , Ronnie beat a less than steller Flex by just 3 points for probably the closest Mr Olympia contest in history , Dorian in 1993 dominated a much sharper Flex and Dorian in 93 had striated glutes and his hams were excellent , so again Ronnie gains nothing and wouldn't stand a fucking-chance against a healthy injury free Dorian Yates

Ronnie couldn't handle a past-prime injured Yates and you have to be on crack ( thanks Ron   ) to entertain for one moment that a Ronnie Coleman could ever come close to a prime opperating Dorian Yates nevermind beat him easily according to you , you say I'm delusional , I say you are , you're to emotionaly envolved to see that your hero isn't a great as you think he is and it kills you to find out that even with all his ' advanatges ' Ronnie wasn't good enough , but anway I tried to call a truce out of respect for other people on this board and you wanted no part of it and now I've been owning you for pages now , I don't want to kick a dog when its down , I'll let you crawl back into your hole with your tail between your legs and lick your wounds , because you just got a " GetBig-Style " owning on a grand scale !!  

[LuciusFox]

Hulkster you're iceskating uphill again , and you keep falling flat on your face , Dorian beat Ronnie when he was at his absolute worse , he had a torn bicep , a torn tricep , a torn quad and a bloated gut , Ronnie enjoy the advantage of a " superior " taper " superior " detail , " superior " aesthetics , a really tiny waist , and according to you a much " superior " chest , delts , arms , and upper back etc and yet he still-fucking-lost lol don't you get it?

What was new with the 1998 Coleman phsyique that wasn't with the 1997 one? improved conditioning ! whats that mean? ripped glutes & tight hamstrings , he was competing at 245-250lbs in 1996/1997 and he was 249lbs in 1998 , his basic proportions remained the same , as well as his dimensions , Chad helped him get rid of the water in his lower back and his once problamatic glutes & hams

Quote Peter McGough Flex magazine Jan 2001
2001 Mr Olympia Ronnie was 265lbs and way off , 2002 Mr Olympia he was 245lbs and way off again, 2003 he was 287lbs , 2004 296lbs and in 2005 he was 280lbs , it doesn't take a genius to see Ronnie looked his best at 250lbs and his best Olympia apperance was 1998 at 249bs

Now you say if they meet at their respective primes Ronnie would beat Dorian with ease lol and if Dorian beat Ronnie at his ideal bodyweight and less than perfect conditioning , with a torn bicep , a torn tricep and a torn quad and a bloated gut ( 1997 ) you think for one moment he would stand a snowballs chance in hell with a injury free 257lb Dorian Yates ? the only new advantage Ronnie would bring to the table would be better conditioning and thats it , and Yates had among the best conditioning the sport has ever seen , years after people are still talking about how grainy he was

Another indicator on how well a prime condition Ronnie would fair is the 1998 Mr Olympia , a lot of people say Ronnie won because he had the ripped glutes & hams and Flex didn't , Ronnie beat a less than steller Flex by just 3 points for probably the closest Mr Olympia contest in history , Dorian in 1993 dominated a much sharper Flex and Dorian in 93 had striated glutes and his hams were excellent , so again Ronnie gains nothing and wouldn't stand a fucking-chance against a healthy injury free Dorian Yates

Ronnie couldn't handle a past-prime injured Yates and you have to be on crack ( thanks Ron   ) to entertain for one moment that a Ronnie Coleman could ever come close to a prime opperating Dorian Yates nevermind beat him easily according to you , you say I'm delusional , I say you are , you're to emotionaly envolved to see that your hero isn't a great as you think he is and it kills you to find out that even with all his ' advanatges ' Ronnie wasn't good enough , but anway I tried to call a truce out of respect for other people on this board and you wanted no part of it and now I've been owning you for pages now , I don't want to kick a dog when its down , I'll let you crawl back into your hole with your tail between your legs and lick your wounds , because you just got a " GetBig-Style " owning on a grand scale !!  

 We are primarily comparing their physiques in their primes. Poilitics can affect contest placings so much that it is better if we talk about their placings assuming unbiased judges.

[sculpture]

Huckster....Why do you feel so compelled to bash Yates? Is it because you are bitter that Doz defeated Coleman 7 times or more? Face it, without Yates, there would be no Ronnie. Yates set new standard for mass and conditioning. His ab/thigh is just incredible for a man that size - something Ronnie can't even touch. Ronnie's distended mid-section just kills his whole physique. It ruins his chest. Coleman has the dubious distinction of being the only champion with a stomach that sticks out farther than his chest! I can see why newbies would be impressed by a collection of massive bodyparts - but a more discerning critic recognises the difference in quality. You just hold a grudge. You are on a never ending quest for the vindication of Ronnie Coleman - something that will never happen. Ronne = o wins over Yates.  

This coming from someone who thinks cutler has better biceps than coleman. Just another coleman hater. Clear as day. Loser.