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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15550 on: December 03, 2006, 02:40:09 PM »
Biceps mean hardly anything in a bodybuilding contest.

Insane, shows a fundamental lack of understanding of BB. Bis are called "show muscles" for a reason, but he's figured out that this is all wrong.  ::)

The top BBs have very good or great bis.

Good or great calves on the other hand, are not a common denominator of all of the top guys.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15551 on: December 03, 2006, 02:40:52 PM »
I think Ronnie looks better in 99 in some poses and in some he doesn't compared to 98 , here is 99 and he looks fantastic until you get to those glutes lol

which poses do you think he looks better in 1998?

I guess the ab and thigh is one, because his midsection was a little tighter, but then again, his quads were a lot LESS cut in 99.

which others?
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15552 on: December 03, 2006, 02:40:58 PM »
this statement has never ever been true in the eyes of bodybuilding in general or the judges.

ever.

did charles atas flex his calf in the 1940's?

hell no.

He flexed his biceps:



had he extended a calf, he would have got his ass kicked and sand kicked in HIS face.

bodybuidling would be even more gay than it already is.

Arnold Schwarzenegger sums it up very nicely !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15553 on: December 03, 2006, 02:42:21 PM »
great shot of Ronnie 99.

shows how small his waistline was at that show.

can you imagine if Yates tried to pull off the same aesthetic type pose with his monster thick waist?

LOL



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15554 on: December 03, 2006, 02:42:34 PM »
 ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15555 on: December 03, 2006, 02:44:19 PM »
great shot of Ronnie 99.

shows how small his waistline was at that show.

can you imagine if Yates tried to pull off the same aesthetic type pose with his monster thick waist?

LOL





Aesthetic  ::) and Yates knew how to pose to maximize his physique and same contest , nothing ' aesthetic ' about this physique

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15556 on: December 03, 2006, 02:44:37 PM »
But Ronnie's calves do not stick out as a glaring flaw in 99:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15557 on: December 03, 2006, 02:45:30 PM »
But Ronnie's calves do not stick out as a glaring flaw in 99:



Hulkster yes they lol they really do

The whole effect would be ruined

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15558 on: December 03, 2006, 02:46:55 PM »
Aesthetic  ::) and Yates knew how to pose to maximize his physique and same contest , nothing ' aesthetic ' about this physique

This must be "maximal" posing. What is he maximizing here, other than a bowling ball... :-\

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15559 on: December 03, 2006, 02:48:15 PM »
This must be "maximal" posing.. :-\


dishes are done , sport he already won lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15560 on: December 03, 2006, 02:48:48 PM »
dishes are done , sport he already won lol
That's a given for both of them, kid. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15561 on: December 03, 2006, 02:50:13 PM »
Yates' patented "bowling ball" shot:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15562 on: December 03, 2006, 02:51:48 PM »
That's a given for both of them, kid. ;)

How much do you weigh? it can't be much using this  ;) oh thats right you use ' free weights ' as well lol monster dumbells are you benching them for 15 reps as well? lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15563 on: December 03, 2006, 03:03:16 PM »
hahahahahahahah ahahahahahah

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15564 on: December 03, 2006, 03:10:14 PM »
hahahahahahahah ahahahahahah

He says he supplements his bow flex with free weights if thats what he means by free weight lol can you imagine the mess he is?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15565 on: December 03, 2006, 03:16:00 PM »
his 5lb "dumbells" are under the bench hahahah hahahahahahahahahahah

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15566 on: December 03, 2006, 10:23:48 PM »
hey dumbass, bodybuilding is a purely visual sport. The judges don't get onstage and measure each bodybuilder or ask them how much they weigh. So if Ronnie looks the same width as Dorian in pics and videos, then it wouldn't matter if there was actually an inch difference between them. You wouldn't be able to tell just by looking at them. For all intents and purposes, Ronnie and Dorian were the same width.

  But this is not what you said earlier! You said that Ronnie's lats were of the same width as Dorian, and I dared you to prove it and you failed. And no, just because Ronnie might appear to be as wide for you doesen't mean that he looks as wide to everyone else. To me, Dorian looks wider. This is especially true since I'm not a bodybuilding newbie such as you, and thus I can see that Ronnie's smaller waist gives the impression of his lats being wider than they really are. Bodybuilding is visual, grnated, but measures are absolute and mathematical. I never said that Dorian was wider - I can't prove it -; I said that, based on the evaluation of their respective physiques, and of the mathematical fact that they weight the same yet Ronnie had clearly bigger quads, as well as the fact that Dorian's taper appear to be as good as Ronnie's even though the latter's waist is smaller, I guesstimated that Dorian's lats were wider. You, conversely, flat out said that Ronnie's lats were as wide. Since you affirmed that, I expected you to provide evidence. Waht evidence did you provide? You showed pics, a purely visual "evidence" that is as unreliable as they come. Keep trying kid, 'cause you've got lots tro learn. ;)

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I copied your expression b/c I saw that it could be used against you. Dorian was more unbalanced than Ronnie. At least with Ronnie, he was huge everywhere (except his calves). His arms, chest, back, and legs were all huge. Dorian had twig arms, a flat chest, and narrow quads to go with his huge back.

  Yes, you copy a lot of my expressions and even my prose style. I guess you admire me, yet don't want to hurt your ego by admitting it. Dorian was more unbalanced than Ronnie? This is not true even if we're talking about the 1999 Coleman, let alone the 2003 one! Dorian's arms were only about an inch or so smaller than Ronnie's in his 1999 version. If Dorian had "twig" arms, then Ronnie's arms were twigs plus an inch! ;) Besides, arms are not that important as a bodypart as far as discrediting Dorian, because Dorian's arms worked for him better from more angles than Ronnie's. Ronnie did not, and I mean, did not have any significant size advantage over Dorian besides quads. That's why they weighted the same, dumbass! Ronnie's ches was huge? Yes, and so was Dorian's! Coleman's back was huge? Yes, and so was Dorian's - even more so than Ronnie's in his 1999 form, even if by only the slimmest of margins. If Ronnie had so many advantages over Dorian in all the bodyparts you've mentioned, then why they weighted the same? Idiot. ::)

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what the hell does that have to do with being unbalanced? Ronnie also has a pair of the biggest arms and legs to go with his best back of all-time.

  Ronnie did have good symmetry from the back in 1999 - except for calves -, but his symmetry sucked in 2003. His hams and glutes grew far more than his back. Look at pics from the 1999 to 2003, and you'll see that, even though Ronnie already had great quads in 1999, they grew exponentially in 2003 and became the most massive in the history of the sport. This is also true for his hams and glutes. This, coupled with the exponential growth of his gut, tells me that most of those 30 lbs he gained were gut, quads, hams and glutes. To put it bluntly, mostly legs and gut distension. My point is that his lower body grew assymetrically in relation to his back in 2003, creating a symmetrical blance. Are you denying that Ronnie's hams and glutes grew only as much as his back? Keep trying! When you compound this with the fact that his calves became even mroe of a liability in 2003, you understnad why I qualified Ronnie's 2003 physique as being assymetrical from the back.

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of course you would focus on a man's ass. Why am I not surprised?

  It''s hard not to focus, since his ass dominates his entire body from the back. Again, glutes, like abs, are the only bodypart that should not be hypertrophied. In the case of the abs, that's because it is the centrla focus of the body, and a distended midsection gives an appearance of obesity, the opposite of an inshape physique; in the case of the glutes, women have larger glutes than men, so large glutes are unmanly. As for your homosexual insinuations, I'll take that as an admission of defeat. As I've said before, when you're losing and frustrated, you either pic at straws of diverge the topic to something else.

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how is that a lame excuse? Nobody likes to read lengthy posts. It's not my fault that you are too retarded to use fewer words.

  Excuses, excuses and more excuses! ;D ;)

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I already explained to you that I wanted to lend some credence to my posts compared to, say, a person who's been following bodybuilding for only a few months. It seems you're the dumbass for not being able to read properly.

  It;'s remarkable that you bring up the topic of the amount of time that you've been following the sport and then, when I reply that I've been following it for even longer, you say that it's immaterial. I cought you with your own argument, moron. ;)

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Don't flatter yourself kid. You have yet to beat me in anything except maybe stupidity. You are the laughing stock of this board. I already replied to your response in the religious board.

  Yes, and your reply was, I quote:

  "Nothing you wrote disproves what I said. Nice try, kid."

  Wow! What a profound answer! I think it's funny that you said I wouldn't answer your post because I thoughtg you would destroy me intellectually, but when I do, you just ignore it and say that I'm wrong because you just think I am. Who's the dumbass now, retard? ;)

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what is there to be ashamed of? If anything, I'd say you're the one who's ashamed b/c you criticize my pic instead of posting yours. C'mon, let's see it you little bitch of a man.

  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! I never said I had a great physique, so I have nothing to prove! You tried top prove that you were so huge dude, and proved only that you are a skinny geek who doesen't even work out. ;D ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15567 on: December 03, 2006, 10:29:11 PM »
every time sucky farts out info, more gems come out:


yes, this is really true ::)

  I stand by my statement! I never denied that Ronnie had an advantage in back size over Dorian in 2003. Never. However, my point was that the difference wasn't as great as it appears, and that his huge hams and glutes increase hbis overrall width from the back, making him appear to be bigger overrall. If you scale his hams and glutes to his 1999 size, you'd see that, although still slightly trhicker, Ronnie was not have an incredibley thicker back than Dorian. Get the tape measurer and you'll see that Ronnie's advantage in width, if any, is very small. His advantage in thickess is also not that great, evideced by the incredible thickess of Dorian's christmas-tree. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15568 on: December 03, 2006, 10:36:22 PM »
that sounds about right.

both sucky and ND have tried in vain to argue how "good" dorians arms would fair against a 1999 Ronnie, but everyone with a brain can see that this is bullshit.

they would not hold up well at all.  

  Hulkster, my point is that Dorian's arms work better for him from most angles and positions of contractions than Ronnie's. Does Ronnie have a better arms than Dorian's when standing relaxed? No. Does he have a better side triceps? No. Better arms in the back double biceps? No, except for biceps, which are barely visible from the back any way. I dare you to show me pics where Ronnie's arms look as good as Dorian's in this pic. It just can't be done, dude. Get over it! Just because the 1999 Ronn ie has a slight - very slight! - advantage in overrall arms size and more striations does not mean that he has better arms! Again, most of the arm mass is only visible from the front anyway, so this is a non-issue. Most arm shots emphasize the lateral triceps head, which Dorian had over Ronnie, or the deltoids, which Dorian is at least as good as Ronnie's. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15569 on: December 03, 2006, 10:44:06 PM »
  And NeoSperminole, your statement that Ronnie's lats were as wide as Dorian's in 1999 because he was slightly wider in 2003 does not follow. Your logic here is correct, but your assumptions are wrong. Why? For two reasons. First, we don't know if Ronnie's lats were truly wider than Dorian's in 2003. They were thicker, but I don't know if they were weider. They could have been. Going by your logic, that would mean that Dorian's lats would be wider when compared to the 1999 Ronnie. However, even if Ronnie had wider lats in 2003, it does not disprove my claim that Dorian's lats were wider compared to the 1999 Coleman. Why? Because we are talking about absolute differences here, which can be minimal. If Dorian's lats were half an inch wider than that of the 1999 Ronnie, and his lats were only a single inch wider in 2003, then it would prove my claims that Ronnie's lats were narrower than Dorian's, but became wider in 2003. Again, your logic, although correct, does not apply in this case. Owned. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15570 on: December 03, 2006, 10:50:18 PM »
i have to interject, the back pose is called the back double biceps, for a reason, the biceps are visible in the rear double bi. they didnt just make up that name our of ignorance, if ronnie and dorians backs are equal for instance, ronnie must win by virtue of better biceps, hams and glutes-give dorian calves and say shoulders are equal. i just dont see how this is an incorrect assesment, the name of the pose implies the muscles to be showcased like ab and thigh. however, they are looking for teh overall package, and ronnie would win from behind.

  But the issue here is one of visibility. Just because the pose is called "rear double biceps" does not mean that the biceps dominate the pose. I think that they decided to call the pose that because the arms are flexed, and this is stereotypically associatede with showcasing the biceps. It does not mean that biceps are that relvant. As I've pointed out before, the biceps are barely visible here, due to the specific position where the biceps attaches to the tendon. This makes the biceps be concealed by the delts adn triceps. The muscles showcased in the back double biceps are many, and they all go to Dorian if you're comparing him to the 1999 Ronnie. Dorian's back is thicker, wider and just as separated. It is also harder. Dorian is also more symmetrical because his glutes are smaller. The 2003 Ronnie might win based on his thicker back muscularity - although his symmetry is even worse than that of the 1999 Ronnie -, but I think Dorian wins this over the 1999 Ronnie. ;)

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also you would have to be crazy to think dorian was ronnies size in 03-04 dorian looks smallish in a lot of vids that i have seen with less the stellar legs and arms to be kind. ronnies legs in 04 taped around 36-38 inches according to the gospel flex magazine, and flex wheeler in md when ronnie and federovs legs were compared.

  I never denied that Ronnie was bigger overrall than Dorian in his 2003 and 2004 forms. So what are you talking about? Was he better thasn Dorian? No, and most judges at an unbiased contest would see that. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15571 on: December 04, 2006, 04:19:31 AM »
Hulkster yes they lol they really do

The whole effect would be ruined

Yet clearly the whole effect is not ruined, hmm

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15572 on: December 04, 2006, 05:20:01 AM »
Yet clearly the whole effect is not ruined, hmm

That's because he's clueless. Bigmouth kept using Peter McGough as his reference, then suddenly STFU up last week when he realized that his daddy said the following:

"Coleman, with the best back in BB history" ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15573 on: December 04, 2006, 05:24:57 AM »
Beavis & Butthead Pubes & ND cracking themselves up over an $1,100 Cybex & $700 Icarian.

Becoming increasingly obvious that neither of them actually lifts. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15574 on: December 04, 2006, 06:26:28 AM »
every time ND posts new scans of yates, it becomes even more clear than it already was that Ronnie at his best overall 1999 shape was better.


accordiing to who?

you and pumpster?

the judges and most of the other competitors dont agree with you. 

i've rarely read or heard that most people think ronnie in 99 was his best ever.

most point to 01 AC or 2003 Olympia.
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