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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15575 on: December 04, 2006, 06:28:21 AM »
Yates' back looks great, yet it's obvious that Coleman's got better back muscle quality & detail & clearly a super taper. Also, the better arms make the shot more complete.


but the calves make the shot less complete. 

yates' back is thicker with lower lats (which could be genetic - where their insertion points are) and has a better xmas tree. 

pumpster,

maybe you could show dorian superset or 2 for arms on your bowflex.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15576 on: December 04, 2006, 06:32:44 AM »
Beavis & Butthead Pubes & ND cracking themselves up over an $1,100 Cybex & $700 Icarian.

Becoming increasingly obvious that neither of them actually lifts. ;D

we know you sure as fuck don't. you just like to play with outdated hand me downs.

i suppose you've got a bull worker for the tits too?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15577 on: December 04, 2006, 10:07:38 AM »
But this is not what you said earlier! You said that Ronnie's lats were of the same width as Dorian, and I dared you to prove it and you failed. And no, just because Ronnie might appear to be as wide for you doesen't mean that he looks as wide to everyone else. To me, Dorian looks wider. This is especially true since I'm not a bodybuilding newbie such as you, and thus I can see that Ronnie's smaller waist gives the impression of his lats being wider than they really are. Bodybuilding is visual, grnated, but measures are absolute and mathematical. I never said that Dorian was wider - I can't prove it -; I said that, based on the evaluation of their respective physiques, and of the mathematical fact that they weight the same yet Ronnie had clearly bigger quads, as well as the fact that Dorian's taper appear to be as good as Ronnie's even though the latter's waist is smaller, I guesstimated that Dorian's lats were wider. You, conversely, flat out said that Ronnie's lats were as wide. Since you affirmed that, I expected you to provide evidence. Waht evidence did you provide? You showed pics, a purely visual "evidence" that is as unreliable as they come.

yes, this is what I said earlier. Show me where I contradicted myself. I have always maintained that 99 Ronnie's lats were just as wide as Dorian's. I provided video and photographic evidence, which is a hell of a lot more accurate than guessing, to support my claim.

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Yes, you copy a lot of my expressions and even my prose style. I guess you admire me, yet don't want to hurt your ego by admitting it. Dorian was more unbalanced than Ronnie? This is not true even if we're talking about the 1999 Coleman, let alone the 2003 one! Dorian's arms were only about an inch or so smaller than Ronnie's in his 1999 version. If Dorian had "twig" arms, then Ronnie's arms were twigs plus an inch! Besides, arms are not that important as a bodypart as far as discrediting Dorian, because Dorian's arms worked for him better from more angles than Ronnie's. Ronnie did not, and I mean, did not have any significant size advantage over Dorian besides quads. That's why they weighted the same, dumbass! Ronnie's ches was huge? Yes, and so was Dorian's! Coleman's back was huge? Yes, and so was Dorian's - even more so than Ronnie's in his 1999 form, even if by only the slimmest of margins. If Ronnie had so many advantages over Dorian in all the bodyparts you've mentioned, then why they weighted the same? Idiot.

your prose style? Since when did you copyright the english language, you dipshit? I still stand by what I said earlier. Ronnie was more balanced than Dorian. At least he was huge everywhere with the exception of his calves. Dorian, on the other hand, looked like a conglomerate of anatomical parts from bodybuilders of different weights. He had the back of a 280 lbs man with the arms of a 200 lbs man and the legs of a 240 lbs man.

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Ronnie did have good symmetry from the back in 1999 - except for calves -, but his symmetry sucked in 2003. His hams and glutes grew far more than his back. Look at pics from the 1999 to 2003, and you'll see that, even though Ronnie already had great quads in 1999, they grew exponentially in 2003 and became the most massive in the history of the sport. This is also true for his hams and glutes. This, coupled with the exponential growth of his gut, tells me that most of those 30 lbs he gained were gut, quads, hams and glutes. To put it bluntly, mostly legs and gut distension. My point is that his lower body grew assymetrically in relation to his back in 2003, creating a symmetrical blance. Are you denying that Ronnie's hams and glutes grew only as much as his back? Keep trying! When you compound this with the fact that his calves became even mroe of a liability in 2003, you understnad why I qualified Ronnie's 2003 physique as being assymetrical from the back.

I never said that Ronnie's back in 03 grew proportionally the same as his legs. However, I don't feel this affected his symmetry. He still had the best back of all-time to go with a pair of the biggest legs ever. If anything, I think his monstrous legs actually helped give him better balance. Ronnie in 03 had a sick X-taper that puts Dorian's H-taper to shame.

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Yes, and your reply was, I quote:

"Nothing you wrote disproves what I said. Nice try, kid."

Wow! What a profound answer! I think it's funny that you said I wouldn't answer your post because I thoughtg you would destroy me intellectually, but when I do, you just ignore it and say that I'm wrong because you just think I am. Who's the dumbass now, retard?

there was no need to be profound when you didn't even refute me. ;)

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You tried top prove that you were so huge dude, and proved only that you are a skinny geek who doesen't even work out.

nice try dumbass, here's what you said earlier.

I wouldn't be surprised if you're a 100 lbs pencil-necked geek who's never worked out in his entire life

Where did I try to prove that I'm huge? I merely responded that I'm not a 100 lbs geek who never worked out. In fact, I weigh 186 lbs right now at 22 yrs old. I know I'm not a monster, by any means, but I'm willing to bet that I looked better at 19 than you did at your prime. I called you out to post a pic of yourself so that the world can see the physique you built with your supreme knowledge of bodybuilding. You are perfectly capable of criticizing others for the way they look, yet you are too much of a pussy to be judged by others. Don't be shy you little bitch of a man.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15578 on: December 04, 2006, 10:14:17 AM »
hey Suckmyasshole, how is your sobriety coming along? You never did respond. ;D

Suckmymuscle,how are ya doing with the whole sobriety thing?Good I hope.

I heard his liver is suing him for damages.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15579 on: December 04, 2006, 10:26:52 AM »


your prose style? Since when did you copyright the english language, you dipshit? I still stand by what I said earlier. Ronnie was more balanced than Dorian. At least he was huge everywhere with the exception of his calves. Dorian, on the other hand, looked like a conglomerate of anatomical parts from bodybuilders of different weights. He had the back of a 280 lbs man with the arms of a 200 lbs man and the legs of a 240 lbs man.

I never said that Ronnie's back in 03 grew proportionally the same as his legs. However, I don't feel this affected his symmetry. He still had the best back of all-time to go with a pair of the biggest legs ever. If anything, I think his monstrous legs actually helped give him better balance. Ronnie in 03 had a sick X-taper that puts Dorian's H-taper to shame.


coleman's leg balance is just as bad or if not worse than dorian's arms.  dorian had huge forearms and great tricpes.

his arms look perfectly balanced in some shots like the side chest, side tri and abs and thigh.

coleman's legs never look balanced.  his calves are small in every in every shot.  

plus he has a very long chest (WITH GYNO) and a shitty 4 pack.  

i wounldt exactly say that one guy has better balanced than the other, but if they competed against each other, balance wouldnt be an issue.  

yeah, coleman had a taper in 03.  he also had a very wide waist and a gut.  so who really cares about the taper when you have a bad midsection that is distended.  

fux had a taper as well.  
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15580 on: December 04, 2006, 11:00:40 AM »
i still think that Ronnie is way better BBer than Yates. But, i love this shot. Just insane back!!!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15581 on: December 04, 2006, 11:45:20 AM »

coleman's leg balance is just as bad or if not worse than dorian's arms.  dorian had huge forearms and great tricpes.

his arms look perfectly balanced in some shots like the side chest, side tri and abs and thigh.

coleman's legs never look balanced.  his calves are small in every in every shot.  

plus he has a very long chest (WITH GYNO) and a shitty 4 pack.  

i wounldt exactly say that one guy has better balanced than the other, but if they competed against each other, balance wouldnt be an issue.  

yeah, coleman had a taper in 03.  he also had a very wide waist and a gut.  so who really cares about the taper when you have a bad midsection that is distended.  

fux had a taper as well.  

Yeah because you can actually see the arms in the ab and thigh pose.  ???

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15582 on: December 04, 2006, 12:01:54 PM »




yeah, cant see the arms in this shot or any abs and thigh pose. 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15583 on: December 04, 2006, 02:01:36 PM »
That's because he's clueless. Bigmouth kept using Peter McGough as his reference, then suddenly STFU up last week when he realized that his daddy said the following:

"Coleman, with the best back in BB history" ;D

Again you cling onto this quote for dear life the irony is any Pro-Yates comment from McGough was dismissed as nonsense and useless and now you need to follow his word like the gospel , and again I still own you because I have Ronnie himself in 2003 mind you saying the following

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen. !! This is Ronnie 2003 we're talking about.

Oh and don't forget Samir Bannout who said the following

Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001

Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates

Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates


Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates

Two Mr Olympia winners with among the greatest back in the history of bodybuilding confirm Yates is the best bar none !! you have nothing to work with .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15584 on: December 04, 2006, 02:24:57 PM »
Ronnie has the greatest back of all-time




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15585 on: December 04, 2006, 02:32:20 PM »
Ronnie has the greatest back of all-time





agreed - but not in 2003. Biggest and thickest yes..

but not best overall.

that honour goes to Ronnie 1999:


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15586 on: December 04, 2006, 02:37:00 PM »
Ronnie has the greatest back of all-time



Wow a slanted comparison to ' prove ' your point with empty filler

The pic you posted Ronnie's back is no where near as hard or detailed as it was when he was 244 pounds nevermind Yates at 257 pounds , Ronnie has the edge in undetailed size when he's 287 pounds but thats about it and he could never touch Dorian for lower lats and lower back at any weight

At the same weight Ronnie is very comparable in the back in terms of width , thickness , detail , but Dorian leaps ahead in density and lower lats and lower back , this is what separates the two.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15587 on: December 04, 2006, 02:40:39 PM »
This is what separates the two

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15588 on: December 04, 2006, 02:40:59 PM »
yes but while dorian might have a better lower back, ronnie still has better arms (as far as the rear double bi goes), better taper due to virtually identical in width lats but a smaller waist, and a better upper back.

so he still takes it:

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« Reply #15589 on: December 04, 2006, 02:43:47 PM »
This is what separates the two

no, this is:


its these things called arms...
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15590 on: December 04, 2006, 02:47:18 PM »
yes but while dorian might have a better lower back, ronnie still has better arms (as far as the rear double bi goes), better taper due to virtually identical in width lats but a smaller waist, and a better upper back.

so he still takes it:




he has no calves which are A MAJOR FACTOR in that pose.

there are only 2 poses which fully show the calves -back double bi and lat spread.

besides, most people including ronnie, chad, and mcgough consider the 2001 AC his best conditioning ever. 

so stop talking about 99.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15591 on: December 04, 2006, 02:50:22 PM »
yes but while dorian might have a better lower back, ronnie still has better arms (as far as the rear double bi goes), better taper due to virtually identical in width lats but a smaller waist, and a better upper back.

so he still takes it:



Get the hell out of here Ronnie has a better upper back thats bullshit period ! Yates at the same weight crushes Ronnie on traps and matches Ronnie in every detail and development of the supper back , to imply otherwise is useless .

And Ronnie's biceps are better not his arms , Yates at his best has outstanding triceps , and forearms  taper is a straw .

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« Reply #15592 on: December 04, 2006, 02:50:35 PM »
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he has no calves which are A MAJOR FACTOR in that pose.

yes but they are not a factor in the BACK specifically, which is a mistake that you and ND seem to make.

You can't say Ronnie had a worse back than he did because of his calves.

it doesn't work that way.

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« Reply #15593 on: December 04, 2006, 02:52:06 PM »
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taper is a straw .

you are only saying that because Ronnie has the advantage.

if yates had a better taper than Ronnie you would mention it in every post ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15594 on: December 04, 2006, 02:52:20 PM »
no, this is:


its these things called arms...

You played yourself with that comparison  ;) let me try this , weak Hulkster very weak !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15595 on: December 04, 2006, 02:53:26 PM »
yes but they are not a factor in the BACK specifically, which is a mistake that you and ND seem to make.

You can't say Ronnie had a worse back than he did because of his calves.

it doesn't work that way.



Rookie logic , you can say his WHOLE back double biceps shot suffers because of it.

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« Reply #15596 on: December 04, 2006, 02:57:01 PM »
you are only saying that because Ronnie has the advantage.

if yates had a better taper than Ronnie you would mention it in every post ::)

Again its a straw not because its an advantage for Ronnie because you don't need the greatest taper , this has been a proven fact countless times in bodybuilding competition Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray never had the greatest taper yest despite of that they always beat people with much better tapers , Dorian Yates never had the best taper yet he managed to own everyone , better taper is a paper tiger , and Yates taper at his best wasn't as bad as you make it out to be.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15597 on: December 04, 2006, 02:58:06 PM »


  Dumbest thread ever and should be deleted. >:(

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15598 on: December 04, 2006, 02:59:42 PM »
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besides, most people including ronnie, chad, and mcgough consider the 2001 AC his best conditioning ever.  

so stop talking about 99.

it might be his best conditioning ever.

but there is more to it than that.

Ronnie 99 had virtually the SAME amount of detail, but with less of a gut when relaxed AND with more fullness and size.

Recall that Ronnie was 10 pounds heavier in 99 when compared to the Arnold Classic:





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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15599 on: December 04, 2006, 03:03:15 PM »
Again its a straw not because its an advantage for Ronnie because you don't need the greatest taper , this has been a proven fact countless times in bodybuilding competition Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray never had the greatest taper yest despite of that they always beat people with much better tapers , Dorian Yates never had the best taper yet he managed to own everyone , better taper is a paper tiger , and Yates taper at his best wasn't as bad as you make it out to be.


when are you going to get it through your ironage brain that its not about NEEDING a better taper its about HAVING a better taper that gives an ADVANTAGE when OTHER ATTRIBUTES are VERY CLOSE.

and in the case of Ronnie vs dorian, having a better taper would certainly be an ASSET.

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