Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

88% win/loss ratio

[Shockwave]

I can't get over how Dorian is making Kevin look like a child in that back shot you posted.
Do you have the vid of that on youtube, or somewhere ND?

[NarcissisticDeity]

1995 it was apparent from the very first call out Yates was the clear cut winner

[NarcissisticDeity]

I can't get over how Dorian is making Kevin look like a child in that back shot you posted.
Do you have the vid of that on youtube, or somewhere ND?

Yates free posing

the 1995 pre-judging was on You Tube but apparently its been removed due to intellectual property rights

[NarcissisticDeity]

More of Yates crushing the competition

[EL Mariachi]

Ronnie had more size, Yates had more quality muscle, like back and calves,abs. Those are some great screenshots. Its a tough call, but for me personally dorian looked better, id rather have great calves than great biceps. Like i said its a close call, i quess judges would go for the bigger ronnie, but. dorian is just in his own league, nobody will ever rival his back. also i think he had the best calves of all time.

[Hulkster]

The judge at the 1994 Mr Olympia specifically said Yates has the best legs in the whole contest !! Yet Hulkster knows better than him lol

was that the blind judge or the biased one who does what Uncle Joe says?

 

How can you type this bullshit knowing full well that a quick glance at the contest reveals the exact opposite?

 

[Hulkster]

More of Yates crushing the competition

I'd like to see Yates turn around and try and do that LOL

[Hulkster]

keep telling us what others are thinking.


 

show me one single ab and thigh shot where dorian flexes his quad extended and flexed from the front like everyone else does.

go ahead.

I challenge you.

you won't find it.

even dorian knew his quads sucked from the front.

[Hulkster]

Hulkster you have nothing your original claims was 98% of people agree Ronnie is better , so there fore he's better , this is a textbook example of an argument ad populum , learn this kid

for the last fucking time you ignorant retard incapable of learning ANYTHING:

Ronnie is NOT better simply because 98% or whatever of the people say he is.

He is better because the COMPARISONS SHOW HIM TO BE BASED ON STANDARD BODYBUILDING CRITERIA.

the fact that you can't seem to apply the critera like everyone else can just means you are stupid.

nothing more.

nothing less.

[Shockwave]

show me one single ab and thigh shot where dorian flexes his quad extended and flexed from the front like everyone else does.

go ahead.

I challenge you.

you won't find it.

even dorian knew his quads sucked from the front.

Whats your fucking point?
He hid his flaws... maybe your hero could've done that, and beat him once.

[Hulkster]

Hulkster you have nothing your original claims was 98% of people agree Ronnie is better , so there fore he's better , this is a textbook example of an argument ad populum , learn this kid


An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges that "If many believe so, it is so." In ethics this argument is stated, "If many find it acceptable, it is acceptable."

Examples

This fallacy is sometimes committed while trying to convince a person that a widely popular theory is true.

    * Since 88% of the people polled believed in UFOs, they must exist.
    * Since citizens have to pay taxes and are ruled by governments, the state must be a judicial reasoned and rightful institution.
    * Since most of the world believes in God, He must exist.

It is sometimes committed when trying to convince a person that widely unpopular theories are false.

    * It's silly for you to claim that Hitler would not have attacked the United States if they hadn't entered World War II. Everyone knows that he planned to conquer the world.

The fallacy is commonly found in arguments over ethics:

    * Most Americans hold that the Vietnam War was morally wrong. Therefore, the Vietnam War was morally wrong.
    * Since most people in the world eat meat, so there are no ethical issues involved in meat-eating.

The fallacy is also commonly found in marketing:

    * Brand X vacuum cleaners are the leading brand in America. You should buy Brand X vacuum cleaners.

Other examples:

    * Fifty million Elvis fans can't be wrong.
    * Christianity is believed in by the greatest amount of people in the world, so it must be true.
    * "Every society but ours believed in magic; why should we think otherwise?" "Every society but ours thought the sun revolved about the Earth, rather than the other way round. Would you decide the matter by majority vote?" - Isaac Asimov.
    * In a court of law, the jury vote by majority, therefore they will always make the correct decision.
    * Most analysts consider (at a certain time) Enron Corporation a well-run company with excellent management, so its common stock is a good investment.



98% of people think Ronnie is better than Dorian , there fore Ronnie is better than Dorian

Explanation

The argumentum ad populum is a red herring and genetic fallacy. It appeals on probabilistic terms; given that 75% of a population answer A to a question where the answer is unknown, the argument states that it is reasonable to assume that the answer is indeed A. In cases where the answer can be known but is not known by a questioned entity, the appeal to majority provides a possible answer with a relatively high probability of correctness.

It is logically fallacious because the mere fact that a belief is widely held is not necessarily a guarantee that the belief is correct; if the belief of any individual can be wrong, then the belief held by multiple persons can also be wrong. If for instance, a logical proof that the answer is A attempted to make the argument that 75% of people polled think the answer is A, there is a 25% chance that the answer is not A. However small the percentage of those polled is distributed among any remaining answers, this chance by definition disproves any guarantee of the correctness of the majority. In addition, this would be true even if the answer given by those polled were unanimous, as the sample size may be insufficient, or some fact may be unknown to those polled that, if known, would result in a different distribution of answers.

This fallacy is similar in structure to certain other fallacies that involve a confusion between the justification of a belief and its widespread acceptance by a given group of people. When an argument uses the appeal to the beliefs of a group of supposed experts, it takes on the form of an appeal to authority; if the appeal is to the beliefs of a group of respected elders or the members of one's community over a long period of time, then it takes on the form of an appeal to tradition.

One who commits this fallacy may assume that individuals commonly analyze and edit their beliefs and behaviors. This is often not the case (see conformity).

The argumentum ad populum can be a valid argument in inductive logic; for example, a poll of a sizeable population may find that 90% prefer a certain brand of product over another. A cogent (strong) argument can then be made that the next person will also prefer that brand, and the poll is valid evidence of that claim. However, it is unsuitable as an argument for deductive reasoning as proof, for instance to say that the poll proves that the preferred brand is superior to the competition in its composition.

This is where you get stopped dead in your tracks kid


The argumentum ad populum can be a valid argument in inductive logic; for example, a poll of a sizeable population may find that 90% prefer a certain brand of product over another. A cogent (strong) argument can then be made that the next person will also prefer that brand, and the poll is valid evidence of that claim. However, it is unsuitable as an argument for deductive reasoning as proof, for instance to say that the poll proves that the preferred brand is superior to the competition in its composition.

Your feeling that the argument ad populum is correct in your claim is flat out proven wrong period. argument ad populum is " unsuitable as an argument for deductive reasoning as proof , for instance to say that the poll proves that Ronnie is superior to Dorian

Exceptions

Appeal to belief is only valid when the question is whether the belief exists. Appeal to popularity is therefore only valid when the questions are whether the belief is widespread and to what degree. I.e., ad populum only proves that a belief is popular, not that it is true.

Again your claim is dismissed as an exception and why? because NO ONE is questioning whether the belief exists , so your claim that this warrants an exception in this case is once again proven flat out dead wrong , and in the case of ad populum arguments being true , it proves ONLY that the belief is popular and NOT I repeat NOT that the belief is true

Your argument is wrong , any ad populum argument that states a large number of people as proof is WRONG  , you're an idiot and don't question my intellect kid , because you run the risk of looking very dumb compared to me and thats already been proven many , many times on this thread .

I find it funny that you chose one of the first websites you get when you do a seach, and that website fails to talk about cases of the argument, as the one I found did, after which I posted commentary from and I OWNED YOU BADLY AND YOU CHOSE TO IGNORE LIKE YOU ALWAYS DO..

[Hulkster]

Whats your fucking point?
He hid his flaws... maybe your hero could've done that, and beat him once.

my point is that dorian's quads a major flaw.

yet, ND insists that the judges were right in 94 proclaim his legs to be the best in the contest when in fact in 94 his quads look about as bad as they ever looked in his whole fucking career.

ND puts the judges up on some sort of pedestal.

no one else does.

he really has no fucking clue.

[Shockwave]

Maybe the judges said that because he presented them in a way that made them stand out?
Just a thought, ya know, maybe your not taking everything into consideration, since, you know, you weren't there and all... and you know how everyone thinks too.

[Hulkster]

no, I don't know how every one else thinks.

but I am smart, just like most fans who think that Ronnie was way better than dorian at his best and that 94 dorian looked like garbage and was given the biggest gift of his career..

[johnnytosh]

no, I don't know how every one else thinks.

but I am smart, just like most fans who think that Ronnie was way better than dorian at his best and that 94 dorian looked like garbage and was given the biggest gift of his career..

You dont know how BB contests are judged. Because of Dorian's torn biceps-He ONLY loses 1 pose...the frt double bicep!  THATS ALL.. The torn bicep does not come into play in the other poses...Therefore it isn't judged..   

HULKSTER-How much can Yates be penalized for the torn bicep? Please answer, so I can determine if you know how contests are judged.

[suckmymuscle]

all I have to do is prove you wrong beyond a reasonable doubt. Yes, I'm not God. So therefore I cannot show with 100% certainty that you're wrong. However, I have provided enough evidence to support my argument that any rational person would say I'm right.

  SemenHole, the day I call you, my intellectual inferior, sir, is the day hell freezes over, Hulkster believes that Dorian is better than Ronnie and ND converts to  Christianity.

  The problem is that you have failed to prove anything without reasonable doubt, because your arguments are: mostly conjecture, speculation and poorly measured and scaled pictures.

actually, my comparison favors Dorian. Ronnie is slightly turned to the side while Dorian is facing the camera straight on. I also scaled Dorian to be the same height as Ronnie even though he's 1" shorter in person. This is the exact opposite of what you claim.

  No, Dorian is tilted to the side and that makes him look thiner. Why? Because part of one of the lats is not entirely visible.

  That's the only explanation possible. If the picture is accounted for height but not for width and if there are bodyparts with lenghs that are not proportional to height, then photoshopping is the only explanation possible.

that's his wrist, you dipshit. You can even see where his hand makes a 90 degree angle to his forearm.

  I never denied that it's his wrist in the pic you provided. The problem is that his wrist is torqued inward, which makes the(arbitrary) line you drew end loweer than vit would if the hand were stretched. You are ignoring that when you make an angle, the "location" where the line stops is irrelevant because you cannot evaluate the proper place it stops when there is no deformation.

  Hey, SemenHole, a guy who never posted in this thread before just said that he got 10.5 centimeters for Ronnie in your retarded comparison. What do you have to say about that?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

I have proof. You have nothing.

  I have "nothing" besides that a guy already said that he got the same measure as me, as well as RocketSwitch explaining that the size of the picture is determined by screen resolution. In conclusion: your measure proves nothing.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[johnnytosh]

Here we see Dorian destroying Jean Pierre Fux & Nasser El Sonbaty. HOW CAN THAT BE HULKSTER ?  Both of his opponents weigh more than Yates that day (doesnt make sense accoring to Hulkster)  .. REASON- Yates was absolute PERFECTION.

That pose is as aesthetically beautiful as I have ever seen. People stereotype Yates as a mass monster only, but in that pose, he has better lines than any human being I have ever seen. That included Lee Labrada, Shawn Ray, Lee Haney, Steve Reeves, even Francis Benfatto doesn't have the perfect proportions that Yates had..

So your argument about Coleman & his fat ass & big droopy chest weighing more means nothing..Absolutely zilch. We all know Yates looked best at 255 in '95& '96, and Ronnie looked best at the ASC classic in 2001 at what..247?

Thats why Yates beat Coleman over & over, because Coleman's body was not beautiful. It was, and still is, a collection of huge & mis-shapen bodyparts.

Thats why Cutler will beat him AGAIN. Because Cutler has Wider shoulders & a smaller waist. Lights Out.

Stick a fork in Coleman...He's DONE

[NarcissisticDeity]

for the last fucking time you ignorant retard incapable of learning ANYTHING:

Ronnie is NOT better simply because 98% or whatever of the people say he is.

He is better because the COMPARISONS SHOW HIM TO BE BASED ON STANDARD BODYBUILDING CRITERIA.

the fact that you can't seem to apply the critera like everyone else can just means you are stupid.

nothing more.

nothing less.

Who are you personally to speak for the other 98%? how do you know what their understanding of the criteria is? you are a KNOW NOTHING you never knew the criteria until I posted , you still don't know the criteria and did you use the criteria to base your opinion that Dorian should have lost in 1993? did you also interpret the criteria do figure out your opinion Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time??? lets go Mr Knowledgeable did you also use the criteria to determine Ronnie has better balance & proportion?

I'll answer for you.............NO ...............you know nothing , and you've proven this , I've proven this , Ice has proven this and sucky has proven this .....you don't know the criteria , you don't know how to apply the criteria , you can't formulate an argument or a counter argument , the moment you used the argument ad populum you exposed yourself once again as ignorant , you're whole argument is weak , you've still yet to counter one thing I've said , now run along and let the smart people converse.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I find it funny that you chose one of the first websites you get when you do a seach, and that website fails to talk about cases of the argument, as the one I found did, after which I posted commentary from and I OWNED YOU BADLY AND YOU CHOSE TO IGNORE LIKE YOU ALWAYS DO..

Kid you're wrong and we both know it , stop being contrary you have no intellectual legs to stand on , you are soundly defeated .

[NarcissisticDeity]

my point is that dorian's quads a major flaw.

yet, ND insists that the judges were right in 94 proclaim his legs to be the best in the contest when in fact in 94 his quads look about as bad as they ever looked in his whole fucking career.

ND puts the judges up on some sort of pedestal.

no one else does.

he really has no fucking clue.

His quads are NOT a major flaw , stop talking nonsense , seriously . Royalty seen Dorian in person and he said you're out of your mind to say his quads are a ' major flaw ' he called you an internet-fan-boy , and who's opinion am I going to take on the matter , a respected judge with years of judging experience under his belt or Hulkster the internet-fan-boy who is clueless , ignorant , biased and outright stupid ??

You don't know how Dorian's quads looks because you've never seen them , you based your opinion on a faulty means and then have the balls to say a judge is wrong and you are right? please go back to planet retard , they need their leader back

The judges are wrong , Hulkster is right , he figured the whole sport out sitting at home on his Gateway by magazine scans and his expert abilities , lmfao you are hands down the most stupid person who ever typed a word on this site , examples

Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time
Dorian should have lost in 1993 Flex
Dorian's quads are a major flaw
Ronnie has better balance & proportion
Dorian should have lost in 1994 despite it wasn't close on paper and Ronnie dominated Jay from the back despite losing the entire prejudging
The judges get a pay check pay uncle Joe
the judges are wrong and I am right , I'm just as qualified as they are to critique physiques
the judges fixed 1994 because Joe Weider said to and 2001 Ronnie dominated Jay
Our opinions are based on reality and evidence ( slanted comparisons of very select poses made by biased Coleman fans ) he actually typed reality his opinion is based on magazine scans and thats reality LMMFAO 

you're a know nothing , a no nobody , you have nothing , you typed all of the above nonsense lol walk away in shame kid , because those of us who are really in the know are staring and laughing . 

[Hulkster]

You don't know how Dorian's quads looks because you've never seen them

lol neither have you dumbass.

we have ALL seen dorian's quads for years now in pics and videos.

and they suck.

lol

ND has the smallest brain on getbig.

he posts a list of supposedly stupid things I have said, and yet almost all of it is true.

LOL

 

[Hulkster]

Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time

yes. this is true. the man one 6 mr. O's with crappy arms (even worse post tear), crappy quads, poor detail everwhere except for the lower back and abs etc and a powerlifter taper.

Dorian should have lost in 1993 Flex

If you were paying attention you would have know that I publicly stated that dorian deserved to win in 93. however, had flex been in better condition, he would have lost.

Dorian's quads are a major flaw

yes. yes they are. just because you are blind and stupid does not change this fact.

Ronnie has better balance & proportion

yes, yes he does. You can't have great balance and proportion when your calves overpower your arms, your arms/delts have horrible shape, and you have one arm in your best shape in 1995...

Dorian should have lost in 1994 despite it wasn't close on paper and Ronnie dominated Jay from the back despite losing the entire prejudging

yes, this is true too. Many knowledgable people agree. Sure, you will say they are all wrong. but you are just being naive and arrogant.
If you don't believe that Ronnie dominated Jay from the back in 2001, watch the fucking video .

oh wait, you don't actually look at bodybuilder's physiques. You only look at 12 year old magazine quotes..

The judges get a pay check pay uncle Joe

they aren't sitting up there at their own expense retard. they may not be given a fee specifically for judging, but they no doubt get some form of compensation.

the judges are wrong and I am right , I'm just as qualified as they are to critique physiques

yup. Most knowledgable fans with two good eyes are. Its not rocket science. You don't need a degree in "judging"

the judges fixed 1994 because Joe Weider said to

pretty much common knowledge by now. dorian got owned that year. you are way behind the times..

Once again, ND proves his overwhelming stupidity..

[NeoSeminole]

yes, Dorian's quads were soooo good.