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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33450 on: August 27, 2007, 08:21:55 PM »
add johnnytosh to the list of guys who come on this thread and made hulkster look stupid.

a year later it the same 4: hulkster, iceman, neo, and bowflex.  
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33451 on: August 27, 2007, 08:23:44 PM »
yes, Dorian's quads were soooo good. ::)






dorian was on the list of 20 best legs in flex about a year ago.

and yes, the editors of flex do know more than you and their words are credible - your's arent.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33452 on: August 27, 2007, 08:27:10 PM »
my point is that dorian's quads a major flaw.

yet, ND insists that the judges were right in 94 proclaim his legs to be the best in the contest when in fact in 94 his quads look about as bad as they ever looked in his whole fucking career.

ND puts the judges up on some sort of pedestal.

no one else does.

he really has no fucking clue.


actually, you dont have the clue. 

you ridicule the judges when you disagree with their decision, but say nothing when they are "wrong", but it favors ronnie (like 2001).

who the fuck are you to say anything about the judges?
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33453 on: August 27, 2007, 08:55:03 PM »
dorian was on the list of 20 best legs in flex about a year ago.

show me where I said Dorian has poor legs. I was referring to his quads. Ronnie is on that list too, and you nuthuggers routinely criticize him for his calves. ;)

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and yes, the editors of flex do know more than you and their words are credible - your's arent.

hey, guess what? I never claimed to be more knowledgeable than them. By the way, you are right about their words carrying more weight than yours or mine.

TEAM FLEX

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207

"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."

Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212

"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33454 on: August 27, 2007, 10:49:26 PM »
Hulkster hates Johnnytosh right now.
Hey Johnnytosh, got any other rare Dorian pics you can grace us with?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33455 on: August 28, 2007, 02:09:17 AM »
yes. this is true. the man one 6 mr. O's with crappy arms (even worse post tear), crappy quads, poor detail everwhere except for the lower back and abs etc and a powerlifter taper.

If you were paying attention you would have know that I publicly stated that dorian deserved to win in 93. however, had flex been in better condition, he would have lost.
yes. yes they are. just because you are blind and stupid does not change this fact.
yes, yes he does. You can't have great balance and proportion when your calves overpower your arms, your arms/delts have horrible shape, and you have one arm in your best shape in 1995...


yes, this is true too. Many knowledgable people agree. Sure, you will say they are all wrong. but you are just being naive and arrogant.
If you don't believe that Ronnie dominated Jay from the back in 2001, watch the fucking video ::).

oh wait, you don't actually look at bodybuilder's physiques. You only look at 12 year old magazine quotes.. ::)

they aren't sitting up there at their own expense retard. they may not be given a fee specifically for judging, but they no doubt get some form of compensation.

yup. Most knowledgable fans with two good eyes are. Its not rocket science. You don't need a degree in "judging" ::)

pretty much common knowledge by now. dorian got owned that year. you are way behind the times..

Once again, ND proves his overwhelming stupidity.. :P










The fact you even attempted to justify your insanely stupid comments laughable , be prepared because you're about to be crushed  ;)

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yes. this is true. the man one 6 mr. O's with crappy arms (even worse post tear), crappy quads, poor detail everwhere except for the lower back and abs etc and a powerlifter taper.

Another melodramatic biased overstatement , crappy arms  ::) how does one have among the best side triceps shot of all time with ' crappy arms ' ? I'll tell you how , he doesn't have crappy arms . the fact that you still try and convince anyone of this bullshit proves you know nothing , a smart would say the obvious , Dorian has awesome forearms and triceps but his biceps aren't the best in the world , but you're not smart ( old news ) post tear Dorian had one bicep shorter than the other his arms as a whole still had better balance & proportion than Ronnie

Crappy quads another gross biased statement , at the very start of this thread you tried this nonsense and Royalty a man who has seen Dorian in person said the obvious , you're a know nothing internet-fan-boy , couple that with the IFBB Judge Roger Schwab commenting on Dorian having the best legs at the 1994 Mr Olympia and Flex magazine's article of the 20 best legs ( which included Yates ) and its very easy to decide who we're going to believe , eyewitnesses or Hulkster the internet-fan-boy

Poor detail ? again how the fuck would you know? you're basing your opinion on a faulty means to start with a smart man would ponder these opinions of eyewitnesses before making a blanket statement , but again you're not a smart man 

Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates

" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.


MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.


Chris Cormier

I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.


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The judges made their decision based on what they saw live and in person. Pictures mean nothing as they can be deceiving...



Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002

Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example)



A powerlifter's taper , now these are all the flaws you THINK would make Dorian lose its all the strengths you THINK would cause Ronnie to win and its all nonsense , Dorian had less than stellar biceps his whole career , Dorian has faced an beat many men with ' better quads ' Dorian never placed below second place in a pro contest with what you consider ' no detail ' his taper was never like Ronnie's but that never stopped him from DOMINATING everyone , seeing you don't know why I'll clue you in ..........his strengths are so overwhelming the make his preceieved flaws disappear

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If you were paying attention you would have know that I publicly stated that dorian deserved to win in 93. however, had flex been in better condition, he would have lost.
yes. yes they are. just because you are blind and stupid does not change this fact.
yes, yes he does. You can't have great balance and proportion when your calves overpower your arms, your arms/delts have horrible shape, and you have one arm in your best shape in 1995...

No you stated that Dorian should have lost in 1993 and after taking a beating you retracted , you backed down from your original comment because it was beyond retarded and again you don't know what great balance & proportion are ( more on that later )

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yes, this is true too. Many knowledgable people agree. Sure, you will say they are all wrong. but you are just being naive and arrogant.
If you don't believe that Ronnie dominated Jay from the back in 2001, watch the fucking video ::).

It doesn't matter what many ' knowledgeable people agree on ' because you're fucking not it , stop trying to lump yourself in by proxy , the judges are the ONLY opinions that count , they alone determine the end of a contest , and they alone awarded Jay Cutler the whole pre-judging , Ronnie did NOT under any circumstances dominate , another insanely stupid statement , its an oxymoron , you can not dominate by losing two rounds , once again you weren't there , and you're assuming you're opinion is better than the judges , the height of stupidity

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oh wait, you don't actually look at bodybuilder's physiques. You only look at 12 year old magazine quotes.. ::)

Oh boy another stupidity laced comment from " Mr Knowledgeable " I have singlehandedly posted more pictures of Dorian AND Ronnie on this thread than any of you , I made all of my original critiques bases on dozens and dozens of photos , I came to a conclusion and then verify it via eye witness accounts , which you've yet to do in any or your retard arguments , and again the Dorian Yates quote from PBW is from 2005  and it doesn't matter how old the quotes are the still silence your stupidity

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they aren't sitting up there at their own expense retard. they may not be given a fee specifically for judging, but they no doubt get some form of compensation.

More backpeddling not you stated they get a check from Uncle Joe , which is flat out wrong , another of your ignorant claims made in haste and then you try to correct when proven wrong ( see your comments on Yates 1993 Mr Olympia as the loser )

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yup. Most knowledgable fans with two good eyes are. Its not rocket science. You don't need a degree in "judging" ::)

LMFAO insanely stupid statement , it would help if you used those two good eyes while AT THE FUCKING CONTEST lol not at home , its not rocket science no , however it would help if you knew the criteria to begin with and your comments thus far have verified you most certainly do NOT and again your assesment that the judging was only ' fixed ' durring Dorian's tenure and not Ronnie's surely states your bias and ignorance

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pretty much common knowledge by now. dorian got owned that year. you are way behind the times..

Once again, ND proves his overwhelming stupidity.. :P

See argument ad populum , sorry mate Yates was in NO danger in 1994 and its a proveable fact he was in NO danger of losing any contest , it was never close in reality , bias prevents you from seeing this with ' you're own two good eyes '

you have nothing for me , come back when you do , class is dismissed  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33456 on: August 28, 2007, 02:20:19 AM »
I was mistaken before when I said 10.5cm.  It's actually 10cm. 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33457 on: August 28, 2007, 04:53:19 AM »


He was fuggin huge in '95 how much did he weigh? Not that it's important of course, just curious. Pretty crazy back/trap asymmetry going on there but still the clear winner, noticeably bigger but more lop-sided than '93.

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« Reply #33458 on: August 28, 2007, 06:04:51 AM »
I was mistaken before when I said 10.5cm.  It's actually 10cm.

What is the resolution setting on your monitor? I have mine set to 1024 x 768. Also, the pic you posted is warped at the top which leads me to believe you have a curved CRT monitor. I have a flat, LCD monitor.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33459 on: August 28, 2007, 07:17:31 AM »
yes. this is true. the man one 6 mr. O's with crappy arms (even worse post tear), crappy quads, poor detail everwhere except for the lower back and abs etc and a powerlifter taper.

You can't have great balance and proportion when your calves overpower your arms, your arms/delts have horrible shape, and you have one arm in your best shape in 1995...


HULKSTER- I REPEAT... How many points does Dorian lose because of his torn bicep?
                  Do you have any idea as to how a contest is scored?   Evidently not.

                  Why do you avoid answering this question?  HOW MUCH IS YATES PENALIZED
                  for the bicep tear?   Until you answer the question, you know nothing about
                  Bodybuilding contests.... 

                   I suppose a Field goal in footbal is worth 9 points when it is your team kicking it.
                 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33460 on: August 28, 2007, 08:11:33 AM »


He was fuggin huge in '95 how much did he weigh? Not that it's important of course, just curious. Pretty crazy back/trap asymmetry going on there but still the clear winner, noticeably bigger but more lop-sided than '93.

The asymmetry you see is because the camera is not squared up to him. You can see he is slightly turned.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33461 on: August 28, 2007, 09:53:55 AM »
yes, Dorian's quads were soooo good. ::)





Yeah another quality comparison  ::) despite being the same weight Dorian's waist appears narrower than Ronnie lmfao and Ronnie's calves are comparable  ::) give me a break

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33462 on: August 28, 2007, 09:54:42 AM »
The asymmetry you see is because the camera is not squared up to him. You can see he is slightly turned.

Great point , he was in fact walking after being called out in the prejudging .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33463 on: August 28, 2007, 10:02:07 AM »


He was fuggin huge in '95 how much did he weigh? Not that it's important of course, just curious. Pretty crazy back/trap asymmetry going on there but still the clear winner, noticeably bigger but more lop-sided than '93.

260 pounds.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33464 on: August 28, 2007, 10:07:13 AM »

actually, you dont have the clue. 

you ridicule the judges when you disagree with their decision, but say nothing when they are "wrong", but it favors ronnie (like 2001).

who the fuck are you to say anything about the judges?

Great post !

1994 was a fix , yet 2001 Ronnie dominated by losing the whole prejudging lol and this kid knows the sport ? he knows nothing .

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« Reply #33465 on: August 28, 2007, 10:14:11 AM »
Yeah another quality comparison despite being the same weight Dorian's waist appears narrower than Ronnie lmfao and Ronnie's calves are comparable. give me a break

yes, b/c changing the scale adds separations, striations, and quad sweep. ::)

give me a break! You've got nothing kid.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33466 on: August 28, 2007, 01:15:59 PM »
yes, b/c changing the scale adds separations, striations, and quad sweep. ::)

give me a break! You've got nothing kid.

I've got nothing? lmfao I'm not talking about the quads I'm talking about the scale , once again Dorian at the same weight as Ronnie has a waist that appears narrower than Ronnie and they appear to have calves that are comparable , wow ironically they both have comparable calves at 257 and 287 pounds and I have nothing  ::) yeah sure you're right  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33467 on: August 28, 2007, 01:30:30 PM »
Here we see Dorian destroying Jean Pierre Fux & Nasser El Sonbaty. HOW CAN THAT BE HULKSTER ?  Both of his opponents weigh more than Yates that day (doesnt make sense accoring to Hulkster)  .. REASON- Yates was absolute PERFECTION.

That pose is as aesthetically beautiful as I have ever seen. People stereotype Yates as a mass monster only, but in that pose, he has better lines than any human being I have ever seen. That included Lee Labrada, Shawn Ray, Lee Haney, Steve Reeves, even Francis Benfatto doesn't have the perfect proportions that Yates had..

So your argument about Coleman & his fat ass & big droopy chest weighing more means nothing..Absolutely zilch. We all know Yates looked best at 255 in '95& '96, and Ronnie looked best at the ASC classic in 2001 at what..247?

Thats why Yates beat Coleman over & over, because Coleman's body was not beautiful. It was, and still is, a collection of huge & mis-shapen bodyparts.

Thats why Cutler will beat him AGAIN. Because Cutler has Wider shoulders & a smaller waist. Lights Out.

Stick a fork in Coleman...He's DONE



Great post ! and the balls on Hulkster attempting to argue Coleman has better balance and proportion , I've argued since say one Yates has the better balance of the two and he'll deny it to high heaven despite proof to the contrary , this is a quote from Dorian Yates himself

Interview with David Robson

[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?

      Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.


      One thing that I think people underrated me on - it was never really mentioned because of my sheer physical size and condition - was my balance and proportion. Not only from muscle group to muscle group, but from upper body to lower body. My skeletal structure and everything else was there and in good balance.


and for Hulkster this quote is from 2006  ;) another from an Official I.F.B.B. Judge Bev Francis

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .



Dorian himself on Pro bodybuilding weekly said he has better balance & proportion when directly compared Ronnie Coleman , yet he still insists Ronnie has better balance & proportion , the kid knows very little .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33468 on: August 28, 2007, 02:09:04 PM »
HULKSTER- I REPEAT... How many points does Dorian lose because of his torn bicep?
                  Do you have any idea as to how a contest is scored?   Evidently not.

                  Why do you avoid answering this question?  HOW MUCH IS YATES PENALIZED
                  for the bicep tear?   Until you answer the question, you know nothing about
                  Bodybuilding contests.... 

                   I suppose a Field goal in footbal is worth 9 points when it is your team kicking it.
                 

thank you for illustrating exactly how flawed and bad the judging was.

you did a great job.

your right. - he was barely penalized for having one arm. How this could happen is beyond anyone. Its just ridiculous.

should never have been allowed to happen. but, like I said, what Uncle Joe says, goes..

 :-\

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33469 on: August 28, 2007, 02:10:55 PM »
Here we see Dorian destroying Jean Pierre Fux & Nasser El Sonbaty. HOW CAN THAT BE HULKSTER ?  Both of his opponents weigh more than Yates that day (doesnt make sense accoring to Hulkster)  .. REASON- Yates was absolute PERFECTION.

That pose is as aesthetically beautiful as I have ever seen. People stereotype Yates as a mass monster only, but in that pose, he has better lines than any human being I have ever seen. That included Lee Labrada, Shawn Ray, Lee Haney, Steve Reeves, even Francis Benfatto doesn't have the perfect proportions that Yates had..

So your argument about Coleman & his fat ass & big droopy chest weighing more means nothing..Absolutely zilch. We all know Yates looked best at 255 in '95& '96, and Ronnie looked best at the ASC classic in 2001 at what..247?

Thats why Yates beat Coleman over & over, because Coleman's body was not beautiful. It was, and still is, a collection of huge & mis-shapen bodyparts.

Thats why Cutler will beat him AGAIN. Because Cutler has Wider shoulders & a smaller waist. Lights Out.

Stick a fork in Coleman...He's DONE



I think you are even dumber than ND..

wow.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33470 on: August 28, 2007, 02:14:31 PM »
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how does one have among the best side triceps shot of all time with ' crappy arms ' ? I'll tell you how , he doesn't have crappy arms . the fact that you still try and convince anyone of this bullshit proves you know nothing

gee, maybe because his arms looked like garbage from every single angle other than that.

hell, your boy's fantastic tris disappear in every other angle, including the back double bi and mm.

his delts are pretty bad too, and that adds to the look of crappy arms.

you expect anyone to believe that THESE arms are not crappy?

Please. you are as ignorant and stupid as they come:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33471 on: August 28, 2007, 02:15:50 PM »
thank you for illustrating exactly how flawed and bad the judging was.

you did a great job.

your right. - he was barely penalized for having one arm. How this could happen is beyond anyone. Its just ridiculous.

should never have been allowed to happen. but, like I said, what Uncle Joe says, goes..

 :-\



lmfao at your strawman a single picture is supposed to prove an elaborate scheme of handpicked judges on the behest of Joe Weider fixing contests for God only knows what reason , once again when confronted with a very strong statement that you can't argue intelligently , post a pic and claim the fix is in , you have no substance and I love your mellowdramatic statements that he has ' only one arm ' this is the fact of the matter , Yates after the tear had one bicep shorter than the other , he still had world class triceps and biceps your statement is as retarded as someone saying Ronnie won all those years with NO LEGS WHAT SO EVER because he has pathetic calves , stop embarrassing yourself .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33472 on: August 28, 2007, 02:17:30 PM »
ND, do you actually have a job?

or do you just wait until someone posts on this thread and then respond with the same bullshit quotes all day?

unemployment must be nice LOL

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33473 on: August 28, 2007, 02:18:24 PM »
gee, maybe because his arms looked like garbage from every single angle other than that.

hell, your boy's fantastic tris disappear in every other angle, including the back double bi and mm.

his delts are pretty bad too, and that adds to the look of crappy arms.

you expect anyone to believe that THESE arms are not crappy?

Please. you are as ignorant and stupid as they come:



lmfao  his delts are pretty bad , he has NO arms what so ever , his quads are crappy , his conditioning sucks because it lacks detail , how on earth did this man dominate year after year? oh thats right it was all a fix lol this is what you're working with , I rest my case .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #33474 on: August 28, 2007, 02:20:38 PM »
ND, do you actually have a job?

or do you just wait until someone posts on this thread and then respond with the same bullshit quotes all day?

unemployment must be nice LOL



 ::) bullshit quotes are codeword for " I can't argue my point anymore , I'm proven wrong , so I'll try personal atatcks "

put up or shut up kid  ;)