Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

The thing that i don't get is that for all the talk of dorian's dryness and hardness; why are there no pics that show him looking leaner or more shredded than a peak ronnie?? 

BECAUSE HE ISN'T!

like I said, there are 1500 pages showing peak Ronnie being dryer and in better condition than dorian.

its the nuthuggers that can't admit this clear fact, and its right in front of them..

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

BECAUSE HE ISN'T!

like I said, there are 1500 pages showing peak Ronnie being dryer and in better condition than dorian.

its the nuthuggers that can't admit this clear fact, and its right in front of them..

 

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

I hope this helps lol

[Hulkster]

LOL so one man's opinion is going to trump 1500 pages of contradictory evidence?

LMAO..

we have all seen that video of dorian and he looks bloated and soft compared to an in shape Ronnie:

so what the fuck good is an opinion that is so EASILY PROVEN WRONG?

LOL

 

[Hulkster]

as we can see, the 257 pound super ripped dry and striated ronnie is making the 269 pound yates look bloated, smooth and soft by comparison.


oddly enough, this has been going on for 1500 pages now!

 

[RocketSwitch625]

An expert's opinion means nothing.

[Hulkster]

ANY opinion means nothing if it is shown to be clearly invalid.

what good is an opinion without validation?

you guys really have no clue how to defend a position do you?

 

[RocketSwitch625]

ANY opinion means nothing if it is shown to be clearly invalid.

what good is an opinion without validation?

you guys really have no clue how to defend a position do you?

 

McCough's opinion wasn't invalid before yesterday. LOL

[Hulkster]

McCough's opinion wasn't invalid before yesterday. LOL

thats because his opinion until yesterday was validated by 1500 pages of visual evidence .

the latest opinion is certainly NOT.

it borders on the ridiculous - a not in contest condition dorian? please..

[TrapsMcLats]

I still like how no one has responded to my cogent arguement a page ago, shows you what happens when you hit the dorianites with knowledge.

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL so one man's opinion is going to trump 1500 pages of contradictory evidence?

LMAO..

we have all seen that video of dorian and he looks bloated and soft compared to an in shape Ronnie:

so what the fuck good is an opinion that is so EASILY PROVEN WRONG?

LOL

 

Its over dude.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Mcgough should know as well as anyone that size is an illusion and weight means nothing.    His smaller waist and superior v taper and quad flare would make him look bigger than dorian regardless of weight.  Ronnie's structure and musculature would make dorian look under-developed especially in the quads, biceps and chest.  The thing that i don't get is that for all the talk of dorian's dryness and hardness; why are there no pics that show him looking leaner or more shredded than a peak ronnie??  Yes, dorian's outer lats have more striations than ronnie, but his chest, shoulders, biceps, triceps, quads, hammy's and glutes don't show the cuts or detail that ronnie's do.  Lets say that they actually compete, the minute they struck a front double bi, ronnie's split biceps, smaller waist, superior separations and v taper would make dorian look not so impressive.  Ronnie would destroy dorian.

Let me get this straight Ronnie at 247 pounds is bigger than Dorian at 269 pounds?

Ronnie's 98/99/01 form would appear bigger than dorian simply because he was bigger, everywhere except for calves.

And you want to be taken seriously? you seriously expect a honest response to this?

[TrapsMcLats]

Again, you're not responding to the logic in my post that highlights how little weight means.  If that were the case then why didn't 96 yates dwarf coleman???  oh yeah, because he was flat or something...  Well flat can't change ones entire size and structure. at the 2001 arnold for instance, ronnie was only 247 and a little flat but he appeared absolutely massive every time he posed and flexed because he was dead ripped and his waist was tite and small (when posing mind you, but feel free to post  those pics of his belly  between poses like you always do) and it made him appear larger than ever, especially from behind.  He was making cormier, @ his biggest competitive weight ever  and a guy with a pretty darn good back and structure, look small by comparison. 

[NeoSeminole]

Again, you're not responding to the logic in my post that highlights how little weight means.  If that were the case then why didn't 96 yates dwarf coleman???  oh yeah, because he was flat or something...  Well flat can't change ones entire size and structure. at the 2001 arnold for instance, ronnie was only 247 and a little flat but he appeared absolutely massive every time he posed and flexed because he was dead ripped and his waist was tite and small (when posing mind you, but feel free to post  those pics of his belly  between poses like you always do) and it made him appear larger than ever, especially from behind.  He was making cormier, @ his biggest competitive weight ever  and a guy with a pretty darn good back and structure, look small by comparison.

excellent post. I saw the video of Ronnie posing at the 01 ASC and he looked huge. It's hard to believe he only weighed 247 lbs. For the nuthuggers to say that a 269 lbs Dorian would dwarf Ronnie shows how flawed their thinking is. We're not comparing, say, a triangle to a triangle. Both men have different structures. Ronnie has a narrower waist, smaller joints and fuller muscles, which make him look bigger.

[England_1]

excellent post. I saw the video of Ronnie posing at the 01 ASC and he looked huge. It's hard to believe he only weighed 247 lbs. For the nuthuggers to say that a 269 lbs Dorian would dwarf Ronnie shows how flawed their thinking is. We're not comparing, say, a triangle to a triangle. Both men have different structures. Ronnie has a narrower waist, smaller joints and fuller muscles, which make him look bigger.

Yates appeared much bigger on stage than his weight. For example, Yates could have claimed to be 275lbs at the 1995 Mr. Olympia and no one would have questioned him.

At the 1991 Mr. Olympia, Yates was 12lbs less than Haney yet still won the muscularity round.

Finally, Coleman looked nothing special compared to Flex sizewise in 1999. They both had very similar structures. Yates made Flex look like a child in 1993.



On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

[PANDAEMONIUM]

Yates appeared much bigger on stage than his weight. For example, Yates could have claimed to be 275lbs at the 1995 Mr. Olympia and no one would have questioned him.

At the 1991 Mr. Olympia, Yates was 12lbs less than Haney yet still won the muscularity round.

Finally, Coleman looked nothing special compared to Flex sizewise in 1999. They both had very similar structures. Yates made Flex look like a child in 1993.

fuck you

[England_1]

So now we have both McGough and Kevin Horton saying Yates' conditioning was unmatched. Coincidentally, both have been around Yates and Coleman more so than just about anyone, so they would know best 

[NeoSeminole]

Yates appeared much bigger on stage than his weight. For example, Yates could have claimed to be 275lbs at the 1995 Mr. Olympia and no one would have questioned him.

Ronnie at 247 lbs vs. Dorian at 257 lbs. They look about the same size.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

[England_1]

Ronnie at 247 lbs vs. Dorian at 257 lbs. They look about the same size.

I'm curious why you are so quick to refute McGough's quote when you were clinging to his prior quote like white on rice?

[NeoSeminole]

I'm curious why you are so quick to refute McGough's quote when you were clinging to his prior quote like white on rice?

b/c the visual evidence contradicts what he says.

[England_1]

b/c the visual evidence contradicts what he says.

No it doesn't.

I love how one second you're sucking McGough's nuts, the next you act like he is clueless hahahaha.....sure sign of a clueless BB fan hahahah

[NeoSeminole]

No it doesn't.

yes, it does. Ronnie looks more shredded and dry.

[England_1]

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

Apparently you can't read. Yates had better condition and is far more muscular than any version of Coleman with similar conditioning. Your response is pretty predictable though. Your entire argument for the past year was just crushed in 1 day LOL.

[NeoSeminole]

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

first of all, post a source you dumb f*ck. I keep seeing you nuthuggers throw that quote around but I have yet to see where it came from. For all I know you could have made it up. Second, Peter McGough's word isn't the final say on all things bodybuilding. I posted quotes from several bodybuilding journalists, pros, and fans who still believe Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. Third, Peter is using a tactile perception to describe how Dorian looks. It makes as much sense as saying Dorian smells hard.

Apparently you can't read. Yates had better condition and is far more muscular than any version of Coleman with similar conditioning. Your response is pretty predictable though. Your entire argument for the past year was just crushed in 1 day LOL.

apparently you don't have a brain b/c you accept everything you read without questioning it.

[pumpster]

fuck you

hahahahaha

[England_1]

first of all, post a source you dumb f*ck. I keep seeing you nuthuggers throw that quote around but I have yet to see where it came from. For all I know you could have made it up. Second, Peter McGough's word isn't the final say on all things bodybuilding. I posted quotes from several bodybuilding journalists, pros, and fans who still believe Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. Third, Peter is using a tactile perception to describe how Dorian looks. It makes as much sense as saying Dorian smells hard.

apparently you don't have a brain b/c you accept everything you read without questioning it.

Why are you resorting to name calling again? This isn't life or death for christ's sake.

Secondly, bodybuilding is partly about tactile perception. It's part of visual perception on the whole. Peter is right on the money about Yates. Horton has photographed both Ronnie and Yates countless times. There is no one better than him who knows about their shape and condition. There are countless quotes from pros, journalists, and fans citing Yates as the clear winner. Your assessment of Yates also reeks of someone who's never seen the Olympia live. Do you think Yates' granite hardness was a myth such as Hulkster believes Dorian lost the 93O to Flex?