Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[England_1]

Don't hate because his arms are bigger than yours will ever be 

[England_1]

Legs don't get any uglier than this. Calves ruining everything as usual 

[England_1]

Folks, this is what we are dealing with....people who think this utterly fake physique is better than Yates 

[NarcissisticDeity]

when someone has to pronounce they are right, they usually dont have a sweet clue what they are talking about.


you have been owned so many times in this thread, and your tactic is diversion and confusion. you misinterpret everything anyone says, either because you have no debate skills, or are an idiot.


i suppose it could be a lethal combination of the two

And you're who again?

[NarcissisticDeity]

I am leaning more towards the idiot side myself.

ND is famous for not reading properly, ignoring visual evidence and sweeping anything damaging to his arguments under the table..

Hulkster you keep typing but unlike me you have proven NOTHING everything I claimed I backed up after the fact I talked about Dorian's great balance & proportion you denied it I backed it up with more than one quote and my explanation why , I talked about Dorian's conditioning and how & why he has better conditioning I backed that up with many quotes that all confirmed what I maintained all along , I said Dorian would beat Ronnie because he meets the criteria better , you didn't even know the criteria until I posted it lol all your bullshit has come back to haunt you , you're soundly defeated

Dorian would beat Ronnie Coleman 1999 because he carries more muscular bulk 257 vs 269 pounds

Dorian would beat Ronnie Coleman 1999 because he is better conditioned

Dorian would beat Ronnie Coleman 1999 because he has much better density

Dorian would beat Ronnie Coleman 1999 because he has better balance & proportion

Dorian would beat Ronnie Coleman 1999 because he is more complete

Dorian would beat Ronnie Coleman 1999 because he's a better poser

You can NOT prove me wrong on ANY of these points my argument is made , verified and accurate . wanna try Ronnie 1998? 2001 Arnold Classic? 2003? let me know. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm loving every minute of this. It's well and truly over for the Coleman nut-huggers. LOL

Great post !! lol

[pumpster]

Hulkster you keep typing but unlike me you have proven NOTHING everything I claimed I backed up after the fact I talked about Dorian's great balance & proportion you denied it I backed it up with more than one quote and my explanation why , I talked about Dorian's conditioning and how & why he has better conditioning I backed that up with many quotes that all confirmed what I maintained all along , I said Dorian would beat Ronnie because he meets the criteria better , you didn't even know the criteria until I posted it lol all your bullshit has come back to haunt you , you're soundly defeated

Dorian would beat Ronnie Coleman 1999 because he carries more muscular bulk 257 vs 269 pounds

Dorian would beat Ronnie Coleman 1999 because he is better conditioned

Dorian would beat Ronnie Coleman 1999 because he has much better density

Dorian would beat Ronnie Coleman 1999 because he has better balance & proportion

Dorian would beat Ronnie Coleman 1999 because he is more complete

Dorian would beat Ronnie Coleman 1999 because he's a better poser

You can NOT prove me wrong on ANY of these points my argument is made , verified and accurate . wanna try Ronnie 1998? 2001 Arnold Classic? 2003? let me know. 

TROLL MELTDOWN

[suckmymuscle]

Well thanks for backing up and proving our point you idiots. Why does it take you morons this long to realize that after reading that quote, Peter also agrees with the Ronnie side. Peter agrees that Ronnie ASC 01' can beat any version of what yates produced at any contest (93/95). Peter didn't think 93/95 contest yates was better than Ronnie, or else he would of mentioned it. So there goes the yates side argument right there (which was their argument since the beginning of this thread). Plus, Peter never said that yates would beat Ronnie. He said he is "not sure". He can't pick a winner. So it is still up for debate between Ronnie ASC 01' and pre contest yates 93. The 93 video of yates still doesn't prove shit. Correct me if I'm wrong. I sure would like to here your excuses, but:

Last I heard, bodybuilding contests are judged on stage in front of judges and a audience, not in a gym wearing black socks with a camera man.

Therefore, Peter just sent the final blow to the yates side and this thread is over. To think, you morons actually thought Peter's quote was in your favour, LOL. You morons can wake up from your dream now.

P.S. You can argue until your eyes pop out. I'm not going to waste my time on morons who think yates has better arms than Ronnie and that yates wins all of the mandatories, LOL. There is no point arguing with people who are that biased. Any of these versions of Ronnie BFTO 99' ,The Unbelievable 00', BFTO 02' and BFTO 03' would dwarf pre contest 93 yates and make him Ronnie's bytch.

  You are a babbling retard. McGough has just stated that after watching the 1993 footage he's no longer sure if Ronnie 2001 ASC is the best ever - retracting his previous statement -, and you have the audacity and temerity to claim that Peter is saying that Ronnie is better? You are one sore loser, dude, and I know you only made this sad post because you never had any integrity to lose in the first place.

  And SemenHole got owned with McGough saying that Dorian's conditioning is unmatched. He went on to confirm what I've been saying for eons now, that Dorian's hardness is the best eve.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

gorgeous transexuals 

No this is a troll meltdown  and everyone called you on your pathetic behavior you disappeared for a couple of days and came back crawling with your tail between your legs

[NarcissisticDeity]

  You are a babbling retard. McGough has just stated that after watching the 1993 footage he's no longer sure if Ronnie 2001 ASC is the best ever - retracting his previous statement -, and you have the audacity and temerity to claim that Peter is saying that Ronnie is better? You are one sore loser, dude, and I know you only made this sad post because you never had any integrity to lose in the first place.

  And SemenHole got owned with McGough saying that Dorian's conditioning is unmatched. He went on to confirm what I've been saying for eons now, that Dorian's hardness is the best eve.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Great post ! you and I proved our case period.

[pumpster]

Great post ! you and I proved our case period.

Case closed.

[suckmymuscle]

stop blaming me for your reading comprehension problems. I NEVER said conditioning... EVER. Appearance and conditioning aren't even synonymous, you dumb f*ck.

  Wrong. you tried to pass on Dorian's conditioning as the result of bad skin, which is ridiculous. If this were the case, Dorian wouldn't be hailed as being grainy in 1995, when his complexion was clear

b/c I do know more about the human body than you. Therefore, I'm more qualified to speak on Dorian's conditioning

  Oh, so you know more what constitutes great conditioning because you're a personal trainer? If you did, you'd know that separations and striations are partly genetic, which you didn't until I taught you. And you believe that a man can have muscles that look like marble covered in fat and water if he doesen't have tons of separations and striations, and that if a guy has tons of separations and striations, that it means his bodyfat and water levels are extremely low even if he's clearly bloated. Waht a retard you are.

 All you can do is post what someone else said. You can't offer any medical explanation for your beliefs. You claim that Dorian is the best conditioned bodybuilder of all-time yet anyone with a brain and 2 eyes can see that your statement makes absolutely no sense.

  Eat Peter McGough's statement. Then, realize in your tiny mind that hardness is a property that is a part of conditioning that everyone can see visually and that Dorian had the most of it, and the fact that we can't measure it objectively with precision like separations and striations is irrelevant because we can still perceive differences in degree. Sure, you can argue that since it's not an objectively precise measure that you can say that Ronnie 2001 ASC is harder and no one can dispute you, but the bottom line is that most judges would give Droian the nod in hardness over Ronnie 2001 ASC.

ha ha ha ha, good one. Here's Dorian at his supposed best shape. Look at those separations and striations.

  Conversely, look at the hardness, the best ever, which would make Ronnie look soft in comparison according to McGough.

this statement cements your ignorance, bias, and stupidity b/c the same man you extol also said Ronnie at his prime is unbeatable.

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

  Oh boy, I bet you regret this one now.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

No this is a troll meltdown  and everyone called you on your pathetic behavior you disappeared for a couple of days and came back crawling with your tail between your legs

Troll obsessing on garbage boards LOL i didn't write that hahahahahahaa

[England_1]

GAME OVER: YATES WON HAHAHAHAHAH 

[suckmymuscle]

"appearance" and "conditioning" are not synonymous. You're just a dumb f*ck who thinks they are.

  Apearance as it pertains to bodybuilding certainly includes conditioning. Wtf are you talking about?

riiiiight, and you know this how? Oh right, you don't know what the f*ck you are talking about b/c you never measured Dorian using hydrostatic weighing. Nice try kiddo.

  Irrelevant. Hardness is a perfect measure of dehydration, unlike separations and striations which are partially genetic. The fact that Dorian looked harder is prima fasce evidence that he was more dehydrated. You don't get that granite look while holding water. You just don't. A guy like Ronnie can still look very ripped even when holding water because he has great genetics for separations, but Ronnie only had that hard look when he was dehydrated like at the 1998 Olympia.

Munzer had more separations and striations b/c he had better conditioning. It's funny how when Ronnie's back appears smooth, he's "holding water" according to you but when Dorian's entire body looks smooth, he's "dry and hard as a rock."

  Wrong! Munzer had superior separations and striations because he was genetically prone to, in the same way that Paul Dillet had superior vascularity in his pecs because he is genetically predisposed to have large varicose veins there. The evidence? Bodybuilder enter contests at more or less the same bodyfat at around 3% and yet some guys never look extremely separated. Look at Branch Warren, who lacks cuts in his muscles compared to other guys even when he is super-shredded. You are an idiot is you refuse to accept that genetics plays a role in muscle definition, striations and vascularity.

According to your logic, Dorian should look better in his contest shots. However, we see this is not true. He looks most impressive in a gym without contest lighting, posing oil, and a tan. Things that make you go "hmmm."

  Dorian looks more impressive in those black-and-whites in terms of fullness, density and size, not overral because he's not super-dry.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

You are a babbling retard. McGough has just stated that after watching the 1993 footage he's no longer sure if Ronnie 2001 ASC is the best ever - retracting his previous statement -, and you have the audacity and temerity to claim that Peter is saying that Ronnie is better? You are one sore loser, dude, and I know you only made this sad post because you never had any integrity to lose in the first place.

hey f*ck head, can you read? Iceman was pointing out that Peter's new comment proves once again that a 93/95 contest Dorian was never in contention to begin with. So there goes the Dorian nuthuggers' side of the argument for the last 1500 pages.

And Sir NeoSeminole got owned with McGough saying that Dorian's conditioning is unmatched. He went on to confirm what I've been saying for eons now, that Dorian's hardness is the best eve.

how did I get owned? Did McGough feel up every bodybuilder who ever competed to reach that conclusion? Do you have the official results of Dorian's hydrostatic weighing? If not, then suck my balls. Seriously, the people who are quick to say "owned" are usually the ones who have shit.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Troll obsessing on garbage boards LOL i didn't write that hahahahahahaa

lmfao you didn't write that? is that what you're claiming? even you can't be that fucking stupid?

[England_1]

hey f*ck head, can you read? Iceman was pointing out that Peter's new comment proves once again that a 93/95 contest Dorian was never in contention to begin with. So there goes the Dorian nuthuggers' side of the argument for the last 1500 pages.

how did I get owned? Did McGough feel up every bodybuilder who ever competed to reach that conclusion? Do you have the official results of Dorian's hydrostatic weighing? If not, then suck my balls. Seriously, the people who are quick to say "owned" are usually the ones who have shit.

Looks like SemenSucker has realized that his side has lost and has now resorted to trying to get Sucky to suck his shriveled little mexican balls.

McGough has now stated that a 1993 269lb Dorian would make Coleman look soft. Yates was MORE conditioned at the Olympia (had even LESS sub-q water) than 3 weeks out. Therefore, Coleman would be even more embarrassed by the great, huge, Dorian Yates. Go home kid 

[suckmymuscle]

hey f*ck head, can you read? Iceman was pointing out that Peter's new comment proves once again that a 93/95 contest Dorian was never in contention to begin with. So there goes the Dorian nuthuggers' side of the argument for the last 1500 pages.

  Idiot, how is that a victory for your camp? Before McGough was claiming that Ronnie 2001 ASC was the best ever - including not only Dorian 1993/5 but also him in those black-and-white shots -, and now, after watching the 1993 tape, he claims that he's not sure anymore. Can't you see that the quote favors us and not you?

how did I get owned? Did McGough feel up every bodybuilder who ever competed to reach that conclusion? Do you have the official results of Dorian's hydrostatic weighing? If not, then suck my balls. Seriously, the people who are quick to say "owned" are usually the ones who have shit.

  And yet, you posted a quote from some writer I didn't even know a gazillion times where he asks if there ever was a physique as muscular and ripped as Ronnie at the 2001 ASC, and you emphasized the word " ripped"  every time to prove Ronnie had superior conditioning. Did this guy get the hydrostatic weighting of Ronnie and then compared it to other bodybuilders? No, so why did you post that quote? Waht is good for the goose is good for the gueese.  Waht is really interesting about McGough's quote is that he emphasizes the word " dry" and he then says that Dorian looks much better in person than on pics, demolishing two of your quotes; killing two birds with one stone at once.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

hey f*ck head, can you read? Iceman was pointing out that Peter's new comment proves once again that a 93/95 contest Dorian was never in contention to begin with. So there goes the Dorian nuthuggers' side of the argument for the last 1500 pages.

how did I get owned? Did McGough feel up every bodybuilder who ever competed to reach that conclusion? Do you have the official results of Dorian's hydrostatic weighing? If not, then suck my balls. Seriously, the people who are quick to say "owned" are usually the ones who have shit.

hey f*ck head, can you read? Iceman was pointing out that Peter's new comment proves once again that a 93/95 contest Dorian was never in contention to begin with. So there goes the Dorian nuthuggers' side of the argument for the last 1500 pages.

Sure he was in contention ,  according to the IFBB judging criteria get this through your head kid , Dorian Yates 1993/1995 is carries more muscular bulk than Ronnie 2001

1993 - 257 pounds V 244-247 pounds max - advantage Dorian
1995 - 260 pounds V 244-247 pounds max - advantage Dorian
1993/1993 V Ronnie 2001 - density & conditioning - advantage Dorian
1993/1995 V Ronnie 2001 - balance & proportion - advantage Dorian
1993/1995 V Ronnie 2001 - completeness - advantage Dorian
1993/1995 V Ronnie 2001 - posing - advantage Dorian

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

Although McGough's original claim didn't mention Dorian 93/95 its a subjective opinion and look at the criteria it clearly favors Dorian period , he still has the advantages he did at 269 pounds.

how did I get owned? Did McGough feel up every bodybuilder who ever competed to reach that conclusion? Do you have the official results of Dorian's hydrostatic weighing? If not, then suck my balls. Seriously, the people who are quick to say "owned" are usually the ones who have shit.

you got owned because you went on and on for months on how Dorian's conditioning was ' over-hyped ' not as good as Ronnie , the result of poor skin , etc , etc and you were corrected period thats how you got owned , you put up this pathetic resume like that was proof of anything , HA !  now you're reduced to crying like the little bitch you are because you're wrong end of sentence .

and ironically you never even seen the two live and in person at their respective bests , in 1993 at 269 pounds , at the 1993 Mr Olympia at the 1995 Mr Olympia , at the 2001 Arnold Classic at the 2003 Mr Olympia NEVERMIND hyrostatically weighing them yet you ventured to claim that Ronnie was better conditioned lmfao and you have the balls to cry foul? I told you before and I'll tell you again you're not in my league kid . 

[NarcissisticDeity]

  Idiot, how is that a victory for your camp? Before McGough was claiming that Ronnie 2001 ASC was the best ever - including not only Dorian 1993/5 but also him in those black-and-white shots -, and now, after watching the 1993 tape, he claims that he's not sure anymore. Can't you see that the quote favors us and not you?

  And yet, you posted a quote from some writer I didn't even know a gazillion times where he asks if there ever was a physique as muscular and ripped as Ronnie at the 2001 ASC, and you emphasized the word " ripped"  every time to prove Ronnie had superior conditioning. Did this guy get the hydrostatic weighting of Ronnie and then compared it to other bodybuilders? No, so why did you post that quote? Waht is good for the goose is good for the gueese.   Waht is really interesting about McGough's quote is that he emphasizes the word " dry" and he then says that Dorian looks much better in person than on pics, demolishing two of your quotes; killing two birds with one stone at once.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Great post ! as usual

[NarcissisticDeity]

Looks like SemenSucker has realized that his side has lost and has now resorted to trying to get Sucky to suck his shriveled little mexican balls.

McGough has now stated that a 1993 269lb Dorian would make Coleman look soft. Yates was MORE conditioned at the Olympia (had even LESS sub-q water) than 3 weeks out. Therefore, Coleman would be even more embarrassed by the great, huge, Dorian Yates. Go home kid 

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

Royal Flush ! lol

[England_1]

When will these morons figure this out. Yates CANNOT lose, he is MORE CONDITIONED and MORE MUSCULAR. 269lbs of rock hard muscle.

"On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. "

[NarcissisticDeity]

When will these morons figure this out. Yates CANNOT lose, he is MORE CONDITIONED and MORE MUSCULAR. 269lbs of rock hard muscle.

"On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. "

Oh don't forget better balance & proportion and a better poser lol

[IceCold]

Oh don't forget better balance & proportion and a better poser lol

and beating better competition.