Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[IceCold]

the bashing of bowflex/dumpster continues.

how many people can claim that an entire thread has been created for them soley for the purposes of bashing.



http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=164602.200

[suckmymuscle]

  I though that after reading that quote the Coleman nuthuggers would make ad hominem attacks on him trying to portray him as a moron who doesen't know what he's talking about. Now, I see that they have taken the dishonest route and are trying to somehow spin the quote in their favor. How pathetic!

  Here we have McGough saying flat out that he's no longer sure - implying that he was sure before - that Ronnie 2001 ASC would defeat Dorian as he appeared in that video and Kevin Horton pics, and the Coleamn nuthuggers somehow think this quote favors them? Wow, these guys really stoop low.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[candidizzle]

im sorry guys but anybody with two eye balls can tell that coleman out masses and out "aesthetics" yates....true, when coleman let his waist get out of control it was very ugly and a bodybuilder should never look like he was pregent. BUT yates had this flaw as well, and he had nothing on ronnie to over power all of the reasons why ronnie was better. ronnie had a biger back(both depth and width), bigger arms, bigger chest, bigger shoulders, bigger quads, bigger hammies, and bigger traps. ronnie also had a better v taper and better conditioning.....however yates did have much more quad seperation, a much drier back, more pec striations, and better looking abs than ronnie.


but ronnie wins it.

[TrapsMcLats]

Mcgough should know as well as anyone that size is an illusion and weight means nothing.  Ronnie's 98/99/01 form would appear bigger than dorian simply because he was bigger, everywhere except for calves.  His smaller waist and superior v taper and quad flare would make him look bigger than dorian regardless of weight.  Ronnie's structure and musculature would make dorian look under-developed especially in the quads, biceps and chest.  The thing that i don't get is that for all the talk of dorian's dryness and hardness; why are there no pics that show him looking leaner or more shredded than a peak ronnie??  Yes, dorian's outer lats have more striations than ronnie, but his chest, shoulders, biceps, triceps, quads, hammy's and glutes don't show the cuts or detail that ronnie's do.  Lets say that they actually compete, the minute they struck a front double bi, ronnie's split biceps, smaller waist, superior separations and v taper would make dorian look not so impressive.  Ronnie would destroy dorian.

[Iceman1981]

meltdown and you knew they were coming lol

Actually, my post is the plain truth. When ever you can't reply, you cry meltdown like a baby. That's why your silence speaks volumes and you can't even come up with a decent reply. You can thank Peter for sending the final blow to you nuthuggers with his last quote. He agrees with team Coleman on everything we have been saying. LOL

[IceCold]

im sorry guys but anybody with two eye balls can tell that coleman out masses and out "aesthetics" yates....true, when coleman let his waist get out of control it was very ugly and a bodybuilder should never look like he was pregent. BUT yates had this flaw as well, and he had nothing on ronnie to over power all of the reasons why ronnie was better. ronnie had a biger back(both depth and width), bigger arms, bigger chest, bigger shoulders, bigger quads, bigger hammies, and bigger traps. ronnie also had a better v taper and better conditioning.....however yates did have much more quad seperation, a much drier back, more pec striations, and better looking abs than ronnie.


but ronnie wins it.

you posted an offseason pic of ronnie to prove what?

sure, ronnie was bigger, but at a higher bodyweight, his conditioning was not even on the same level of dexter jackson's let alone dorian yates.


if what you said were true, then ronnie would have done better against yates when they competed against each other.

at the same bodyweight, yates is in better conditioning and much denser.

when ronnie matches or comes close to dorian's condition, he's at least 10 lbs. lighter (247 01 AC).

[IceCold]

Only a delusional idiot would proudly post this shot of Yates' H-taper LOL

he's not even thinking about flexing or showing his physique.

you could get the same effect if you took a picture of yates sleeping.

(or the expression on his face upon entering that hole you live in with your "home gym").

[IceCold]

Actually, my post is the plain truth. When ever you can't reply, you cry meltdown like a baby. That's why your silence speaks volumes and you can't even come up with a decent reply. You can thank Peter for sending the final blow to you nuthuggers with his last quote. He agrees with team Coleman on everything we have been saying. LOL

did i miss something?

what is the latest word from PM?

[IceCold]

has hulkster disappeared since the real 99 olympia pictures/adjusted pics have been solved?

[IceCold]

interesting fact:


Coleman was nothing great until he got a drug guru.

[suckmymuscle]

Actually, my post is the plain truth. When ever you can't reply, you cry meltdown like a baby. That's why your silence speaks volumes and you can't even come up with a decent reply. You can thank Peter for sending the final blow to you nuthuggers with his last quote. He agrees with team Coleman on everything we have been saying. LOL

  McGough is saying flat out that he's no longer sure that Ronnie 2001 ASC would beat Dorian as he appeared in that video after watching it and you think the quote confirms what you've been saying? Moron. Admit it, fag: you lost. Why? Because this thread is not about comparing them at their Olympia appearances, but at their bests, which is does not need to be at the Olympia stage.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

P.S: I checked with a linguistics professor at my university and the word "imposture" cannot be used in reference to people, so it seems like you were wrong after all and I have owned you doubly.

[suckmymuscle]

  "Iceman" is one stupid fuck.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Iceman1981]

  You are a babbling retard. McGough has just stated that after watching the 1993 footage he's no longer sure if Ronnie 2001 ASC is the best ever - retracting his previous statement -, and you have the audacity and temerity to claim that Peter is saying that Ronnie is better? You are one sore loser, dude, and I know you only made this sad post because you never had any integrity to lose in the first place.

  And SemenHole got owned with McGough saying that Dorian's conditioning is unmatched. He went on to confirm what I've been saying for eons now, that Dorian's hardness is the best eve.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Thanks for agreeing with me. Read the bold part in your quote nimrod. Why are you this stupid? Really, can you please answer why you are this stupid? I sugest you "read" my post again, but this time "slowly" Did you not read this part moron:

"Peter agrees that Ronnie ASC 01' can beat any version of what yates produced at any contest (93/95). Peter didn't think 93/95 contest yates was better than Ronnie, or else he would of mentioned it. So there goes the yates side argument right there (which was their argument since the beginning of this thread). Plus, Peter never said that yates would beat Ronnie. He said he is "not sure". He can't pick a winner. So it is still up for debate between Ronnie ASC 01' and pre contest yates 93."

What part of my post did I say that Peter thinks Ronnie ASC 01' is better than pre contest 93 yates? Ronnie ASC 01' is the best contest physique he ever saw. Therefore, Ronnie ASC 01' would beat any contest version of yates, which you nuthuggers are debating. I don't give a rats ass what yates looked like pre contest weeks out from the 93 Mr. O. His physique wasn't judged in front of judges. Was it? Can you answer that?

Plus this proves my point and any judge, bodybuilder, writer, expert, photographer, trainer, fan etc. agrees with team Coleman and can back us up on this subject:

Correct me if I'm wrong. I sure would like to here your excuses, but:

Last I heard, bodybuilding contests are judged on stage in front of judges and a audience, not in a gym wearing black socks with a camera man.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I like how you nuthuggers are ignoring this fact in bold. LOL, I wonder why.

Now try to answer with a decent reply and try not to look stupid, AGAIN.

[Iceman1981]

hey f*ck head, can you read? Iceman was pointing out that Peter's new comment proves once again that a 93/95 contest Dorian was never in contention to begin with. So there goes the Dorian nuthuggers' side of the argument for the last 1500 pages.

how did I get owned? Did McGough feel up every bodybuilder who ever competed to reach that conclusion? Do you have the official results of Dorian's hydrostatic weighing? If not, then suck my balls. Seriously, the people who are quick to say "owned" are usually the ones who have shit.

LOL, you picked that up also huh? Is it a coincident that all of these dumb nuthugging morons can't read?

[Iceman1981]

 McGough is saying flat out that he's no longer sure that Ronnie 2001 ASC would beat Dorian as he appeared in that video after watching it and you think the quote confirms what you've been saying? Moron. Admit it, fag: you lost. Why? Because this thread is not about comparing them at their Olympia appearances, but at their bests, which is does not need to be at the Olympia stage.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

P.S: I checked with a linguistics professor at my university and the word "imposture" cannot be used in reference to people, so it seems like you were wrong after all and I have owned you doubly.

Read my new post. You're stupidity is out of control. Learn to read. You are claiming something I never said. I said it is still up for debate, but Ronnie ASC 01' beats any contest version of yates. If any contest version of yates was better than Ronnie ASC 01', Peter would of mentioned it, but he didn't. Therefore backing up what team Coleman has been saying all along and what you nuthuggers have been arguing for the past 1500 pages. Now all of a sudden you nuthuggers are comparing pre contest gym pics with contest pics, LOL. It will never end. Oh well.

Well I guess the word "imposture" is a fake word in most dictionaries  Get a life, Mr. 1992 dictionary. LOL

[England_1]

Dorian was more conditioned 3 weeks out than Coleman was at any contest.

Therefore it follows that Yates was more conditioned at the Olympia than he was 3 weeks out  Thus, a 93 or 95 Yates is far more conditioned than Coleman and STILL MORE MUSCULAR by a fair amount. Either way, Coleman loses. Let's not even get into the fact that Yates was a master poser whereas Coleman was more akin to a bimbo on stage 

[NeoSeminole]

Glutes are the last place on the body one loses fat stores.

[England_1]

Dorian's are harder and more ripped in that comparison, what's your point? Ronnie's glutes were far too overdeveloped from the squatting anyways.

Oh, and Peter already said that no one was more conditioned than Yates 

[suckmymuscle]

Thanks for agreeing with me. Read the bold part in your quote nimrod. Why are you this stupid? Really, can you please answer why you are this stupid? I sugest you "read" my post again, but this time "slowly" Did you not read this part moron:

  I understod perfectly, retard. It is you who are trying to put a spin to it because you know the quote is a retraction from McGough's previous statement  that Ronnie was the best ever.

"Peter agrees that Ronnie ASC 01' can beat any version of what yates produced at any contest (93/95). Peter didn't think 93/95 contest yates was better than Ronnie, or else he would of mentioned it. So there goes the yates side argument right there (which was their argument since the beginning of this thread). Plus, Peter never said that yates would beat Ronnie. He said he is "not sure". He can't pick a winner. So it is still up for debate between Ronnie ASC 01' and pre contest yates 93."

  Idiot, this thread is about which bodybuilder would win at their best, which does not need to be, obligatorilly, at the Mr.Olympia stage. Why the fuck can't you comprehend that? Dorian's best was 3 weeks before the 1993 Olympia and not any of his Olympia performances.

What part of my post did I say that Peter thinks Ronnie ASC 01' is better than pre contest 93 yates? Ronnie ASC 01' is the best contest physique he ever saw. Therefore, Ronnie ASC 01' would beat any contest version of yates, which you nuthuggers are debating. I don't give a rats ass what yates looked like pre contest weeks out from the 93 Mr. O. His physique wasn't judged in front of judges. Was it? Can you answer that?

  Wrong! After seeing Dorian's video of him 3 weeks before the 1993 Olympia, McGough retracted his statement and said that he's "no longer sure" that Ronnie in his 2001 ASC is the best ever. This means he believes either Ronnie 2001 ASC or Dorian in that form 3 weeks out from the 1993 Olympia is the best ever. Didn't you read the quote, you fucking moron?

Plus this proves my point and any judge, bodybuilder, writer, expert, photographer, trainer, fan etc. agrees with team Coleman and can back us up on this subject:

Correct me if I'm wrong. I sure would like to here your excuses, but:

Last I heard, bodybuilding contests are judged on stage in front of judges and a audience, not in a gym wearing black socks with a camera man.

  Irrelevant because we are trying to determine who would win at their best which does not, obligedly, need to be at the Olympia stage. Feel free to post non-Olympia shots and videos of Ronnie if you want.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I like how you nuthuggers are ignoring this fact in bold. LOL, I wonder why.

Now try to answer with a decent reply and try not to look stupid, AGAIN.

  When I want an expert opinion on stupidity, I'm sure tocall you. After all, I'm nothing but an impostor(not imposture) when it comes to stupidity, while you're the real deal.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Read my new post. You're stupidity is out of control. Learn to read. You are claiming something I never said. I said it is still up for debate, but Ronnie ASC 01' beats any contest version of yates. If any contest version of yates was better than Ronnie ASC 01', Peter would of mentioned it, but he didn't. Therefore backing up what team Coleman has been saying all along and what you nuthuggers have been arguing for the past 1500 pages. Now all of a sudden you nuthuggers are comparing pre contest gym pics with contest pics, LOL. It will never end. Oh well.

  I don't care because this thread is about who would win at their best, which according to McGough was 3 weeks out from the 1993 Olympia for Dorian, and not who would win at their best Olympias, so you have owned yourself bigtime. Go back in the thread and point out to me where does it say that only comparing them when they are at the Olympia stage is valid. Idiot.

Well I guess the word "imposture" is a fake word in most dictionaries  Get a life, Mr. 1992 dictionary. LOL

  It's not a fake word, but you used it incorrectly. But then, you're a guy who writes stuff like "shyte" and "dayum" so we can't expect much from you.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

Actually, my post is the plain truth. When ever you can't reply, you cry meltdown like a baby. That's why your silence speaks volumes and you can't even come up with a decent reply. You can thank Peter for sending the final blow to you nuthuggers with his last quote. He agrees with team Coleman on everything we have been saying. LOL

Again its a pathetic attempt at a spin and I did reply not to you because you're a moron and again it proved I was right all along especially about conditioning which you idiots went on for ages about how Ronnie's was better you're soundly defeated and are only left a very subjective opinion and even he took that away from you and NO the original argument was who win out of the two ate THEIR BEST and Dorian in those b & W is at his personal best and why? he's massive , super hard and according to McGough shapely which he tended to sacrifice when he dieted down , so if all you morons are making a big deal over a untanned , no posing oil and no contest lighting Yates imagine him under the right set of circumstances ? oh thats right according to Neo guys look better in the gym lmfao

you have nothing , you never had anything all your points were ignorant and proven wrong.

[NarcissisticDeity]

did i miss something?

what is the latest word from PM?

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

You missed the many meltdowns since this post lol and they all had them too lol because they are all proven soundly wrong.

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL, you picked that up also huh? Is it a coincident that all of these dumb nuthugging morons can't read?

Let me explain something to you , one its a subjective quote and it really never meant anything to me hence why I posted it  you think this subjective quote is law and its NOT and its an opinion and you don't even have that to cling to any more , three Dorian 1993/1995 would beat Ronnie 2001 according to the judging criteria and lete me explain to you why

Dorian 93/95 carries more muscular bulk - 257/260 pounds compared to Ronnie's 244-247 max

Dorian 93/95 is better conditioned - he's drier & harder

Dorian 93/95 has better balance & proportion

Dorian 93/95 is more complete

Dorian 93/95 is a better technical poser

What are you left with? NOTHING this is according to the IFBB judging criteria forget personal opinions , this is how contests are judged so like ALL your other points you're wrong

Dorian 1993 at 269 pounds vs Ronnie 2003

Ronnie carries more ' muscular bulk '

Dorian is much better conditioned , much drier & harder would make Ronnie look ' soft '

Dorian has better balance & proportion

Dorian is more complete

Dorian is a better technical poser

What are you left with? NOTHING substitute Ronnie BFTO any year and you're still fucked and why? because Dorian simply meets the criteria better than Ronnie all you're left with is excuses .

[RocketSwitch625]

If 99 was such a good year for Coleman then why did 95% of the crowd boo his first place decision over Flex Wheeler?

Checkout the video. The only people cheering are a few women that know fuck all about bodybuilding. LOL

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LSQR7ENflq8

[NarcissisticDeity]

  "Iceman" is one stupid fuck.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

He is stupid , he's trying to put a spin on this latest quote like its a revelation . the quote ALWAYS implied Yates wasn't as good 93/95 or wouldn't/couldn't beat Ronnie 2001 Arnold Classic , it implied it the first time I posted it lol but again its a subjective opinion it doesn't make it fact and now they don't even have that subjective opinion to cling onto lol but again Dorian 1993 Olympia and 1995 would beat Ronnie because he still meets the criteria better m he's still has the edge in muscular bulk , he is still better conditioned , he still has better density , he still has the edge in balance & proportion , he still can properly do a mandatory pose , again pick a year Yates is the winner.